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  • mrcooby
    lhabarth@... wrote: Thanks for the reply Robert, I appreciate your opinion. I am sure the original color is tan. I didn t mention before but it was
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 9, 2006
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      "lhabarth@..." wrote:

      Thanks for the reply
      Robert, I appreciate your
      opinion. I am sure the
      original color is tan. I
      didn't mention before but
      it was repainted
      turquoise/light blue over
      the original tan sometime
      before 1988 when I bought
      the car. I have started
      disassembling the car and
      everything looks original.
      The headliner and interior
      has been removed and the
      tan paint is everwhere:
      under dash, behind interior
      panels, underside of roof,
      etc. Behind the voltage
      regulator is perfect shiny
      tan paint. I even found
      the walnut decal on the
      tailgate under the chrome
      license plate light.

      Since my car is a Super and
      should have came with roll
      down windows, I can't think
      of a reason why somebody
      would have replaced the
      doors. The body is very
      solid so I don't think
      somebody had to replaced
      rotten out doors.

      My theory would be that the
      donor doors came off the
      finished cars still at the
      factory. The doors would
      then go to a work area for
      modification. Then off to
      the paint area were they
      grabbed the first available
      modified left and right
      door, hence my mismatched
      doors.

      Also, there is no tan paint
      on any of the window
      mechanism, door latch
      assembly and fasteners,
      lock cylinder or rubber
      mouldings.

      I'd be happy to hear any
      other theories since I am
      stumped!
      >
      > Larry

      Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:


      Is there any chance that
      Crosley factory would have
      converted the doors with
      the one piece windows into
      two piece
      window doors?

      Crosley introduced the
      Super in 1950 with roll
      down windows (one piece).
      Later in the year they
      switched to a fixed vent
      window (two piece). Does
      anyone know how long the
      one piece windows were
      used?

      My car was built in July
      1950. The car appears to
      have been originally
      painted gay tan but the
      doors appear to have
      painted another color under
      the gay tan. One door looks
      blue and the other seafoam
      green. The sound deadener
      inside both doors is also
      painted gay tan but the
      window crank mechanism is
      painted black. The
      drivers door still has the
      front bracket for the one
      piece window and there is a
      piece of metal brazed in to
      support the bottom of the
      vent window for the two
      piece window. The passenger
      door doesn't have the front
      bracket but does have the
      metal piece brazed in for
      the vent window.
      My guess is there was a
      problem with the one piece
      windows, possibly the
      customers complainting that
      it was too heavy to roll
      up.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
      I think the reasons are
      lost in history but I'm
      thinking that maybe there
      was a fit problem with the
      big one-piece window, or
      maybe (and this sounds more
      realistic) there was water
      leakage happening - or
      maybe Crosley, really
      trying to economize by that
      point, found it cheaper
      somehow to make that
      change, although I can't
      imagine how, with the extra
      work involved.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      then made a running change
      and started pulling the
      doors off the finished cars
      to make the change for the
      new windows. Since they
      had to braze the new vent
      support, the doors would
      have to be repainted. This
      would explain why the
      colors on my doors don't
      match.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      One thing we did hear from
      former Crosley employees at
      the 1992 employee reunion
      in Marion IN was that
      quality control was
      paramount, and that just
      one inspector could shut
      down the whole Crosley
      assembly line until the
      problem was corrected.
      That flies right in the
      face of those over the
      years who have said that
      Crosleys were thrown
      together just because the
      prices were low.
      So maybe it was a running
      change due to quality
      problems.
      I can relate a similar
      story at Packard at around
      that same time, where all
      their 2-door Mayfair
      hardtops leaked terribly
      around the windows, and
      this went on for a while
      before it was corrected.
      Kaiser never did correct
      their leakage problems in
      nine years.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Could this theory be
      correct or is it just
      wishful thinking to explain
      why my doors are a
      different color!!

      Larry
    • G foster
      I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard model
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        I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may
        be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard
        model with sliders?how hard is it to just change out the doors and put on
        that chrome name plate ?just curious what are the differences between the
        two.ill bet they were trying to get rid of the standards that may be slower
        sellers.Gary Foster
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "mrcooby" <x779@...>
        To: <Crosley@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:29 AM
        Subject: [Crosley] Re: 1950 Roll down windows


        > "lhabarth@..." wrote:
        >
        > Thanks for the reply
        > Robert, I appreciate your
        > opinion. I am sure the
        > original color is tan. I
        > didn't mention before but
        > it was repainted
        > turquoise/light blue over
        > the original tan sometime
        > before 1988 when I bought
        > the car. I have started
        > disassembling the car and
        > everything looks original.
        > The headliner and interior
        > has been removed and the
        > tan paint is everwhere:
        > under dash, behind interior
        > panels, underside of roof,
        > etc. Behind the voltage
        > regulator is perfect shiny
        > tan paint. I even found
        > the walnut decal on the
        > tailgate under the chrome
        > license plate light.
        >
        > Since my car is a Super and
        > should have came with roll
        > down windows, I can't think
        > of a reason why somebody
        > would have replaced the
        > doors. The body is very
        > solid so I don't think
        > somebody had to replaced
        > rotten out doors.
        >
        > My theory would be that the
        > donor doors came off the
        > finished cars still at the
        > factory. The doors would
        > then go to a work area for
        > modification. Then off to
        > the paint area were they
        > grabbed the first available
        > modified left and right
        > door, hence my mismatched
        > doors.
        >
        > Also, there is no tan paint
        > on any of the window
        > mechanism, door latch
        > assembly and fasteners,
        > lock cylinder or rubber
        > mouldings.
        >
        > I'd be happy to hear any
        > other theories since I am
        > stumped!
        > >
        > > Larry
        >
        > Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > Is there any chance that
        > Crosley factory would have
        > converted the doors with
        > the one piece windows into
        > two piece
        > window doors?
        >
        > Crosley introduced the
        > Super in 1950 with roll
        > down windows (one piece).
        > Later in the year they
        > switched to a fixed vent
        > window (two piece). Does
        > anyone know how long the
        > one piece windows were
        > used?
        >
        > My car was built in July
        > 1950. The car appears to
        > have been originally
        > painted gay tan but the
        > doors appear to have
        > painted another color under
        > the gay tan. One door looks
        > blue and the other seafoam
        > green. The sound deadener
        > inside both doors is also
        > painted gay tan but the
        > window crank mechanism is
        > painted black. The
        > drivers door still has the
        > front bracket for the one
        > piece window and there is a
        > piece of metal brazed in to
        > support the bottom of the
        > vent window for the two
        > piece window. The passenger
        > door doesn't have the front
        > bracket but does have the
        > metal piece brazed in for
        > the vent window.
        > My guess is there was a
        > problem with the one piece
        > windows, possibly the
        > customers complainting that
        > it was too heavy to roll
        > up.
        > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
        > I think the reasons are
        > lost in history but I'm
        > thinking that maybe there
        > was a fit problem with the
        > big one-piece window, or
        > maybe (and this sounds more
        > realistic) there was water
        > leakage happening - or
        > maybe Crosley, really
        > trying to economize by that
        > point, found it cheaper
        > somehow to make that
        > change, although I can't
        > imagine how, with the extra
        > work involved.
        > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        > then made a running change
        > and started pulling the
        > doors off the finished cars
        > to make the change for the
        > new windows. Since they
        > had to braze the new vent
        > support, the doors would
        > have to be repainted. This
        > would explain why the
        > colors on my doors don't
        > match.
        > ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        > One thing we did hear from
        > former Crosley employees at
        > the 1992 employee reunion
        > in Marion IN was that
        > quality control was
        > paramount, and that just
        > one inspector could shut
        > down the whole Crosley
        > assembly line until the
        > problem was corrected.
        > That flies right in the
        > face of those over the
        > years who have said that
        > Crosleys were thrown
        > together just because the
        > prices were low.
        > So maybe it was a running
        > change due to quality
        > problems.
        > I can relate a similar
        > story at Packard at around
        > that same time, where all
        > their 2-door Mayfair
        > hardtops leaked terribly
        > around the windows, and
        > this went on for a while
        > before it was corrected.
        > Kaiser never did correct
        > their leakage problems in
        > nine years.
        > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        > Could this theory be
        > correct or is it just
        > wishful thinking to explain
        > why my doors are a
        > different color!!
        >
        > Larry
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • lhabarth@mdiwristwatch.com
        Hi Gary, I gave that idea some though also. It would be easy enough to change the doors on a standard to turn it into a Super. But the doors and front
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          Hi Gary,
           
          I gave that idea some though also.  It would be easy enough to change the doors on a standard to turn it into a Super.  But the doors and front fenders would need the second piece of stainless trim added in addition to the Super script on the fenders.  Also, the standard has the hood ornament and no fender ornaments but the Super has the opposite - fender ornaments and no hood ornament.  This means either replacing the hood or filling the holes and repainting it. The interior is also different between the standard and Super.  All this seems like alot of work for the factory.
           
          My car's doors were definitely converted from one piece windows not sliders because the front bracket for the one piece window is still attached.     
           
          I agree that the standards were probably slow sellers but I wonder if Crosley forced the dealers to take the standards before filling their orders for the Supers. 
           
          I wonder if Crosley stop making the standards after the Super was introducing in late June 1950?
           
          Larry

          G foster <GFOSTER11@...> wrote:
          I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may
          be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard
          model with sliders?how hard is it to just change out the doors and put on
          that chrome name plate ?just curious what are the differences between the
          two.ill bet they were trying to get rid of the standards that may be slower
          sellers.Gary Foster
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "mrcooby" <x779@...>
          To: <Crosley@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:29 AM
          Subject: [Crosley] Re: 1950 Roll down windows


          > "lhabarth@..." wrote:
          >
          >  Thanks for the reply
          > Robert, I appreciate your
          > opinion.  I am sure the
          > original color is tan. I
          > didn't mention before but
          > it was repainted
          > turquoise/light blue over
          > the original tan sometime
          > before 1988 when I bought
          > the car. I have started
          > disassembling the car and
          > everything looks original.
          > The headliner and interior
          > has been removed and the
          > tan paint is everwhere:
          > under dash, behind interior
          > panels, underside of roof,
          > etc.  Behind the voltage
          > regulator is perfect shiny
          > tan paint.  I even found
          > the walnut decal on the
          > tailgate under the chrome
          > license plate light.
          >
          > Since my car is a Super and
          > should have came with roll
          > down windows, I can't think
          > of a reason why somebody
          > would have replaced the
          > doors.  The body is very
          > solid so I don't think
          > somebody had to replaced
          > rotten out doors.
          >
          > My theory would be that the
          > donor doors came off the
          > finished cars still at the
          > factory.  The doors would
          > then go to a work area for
          > modification. Then off to
          > the paint area were they
          > grabbed the first available
          > modified left and right
          > door, hence my mismatched
          > doors.
          >
          > Also, there is no tan paint
          > on any of the window
          > mechanism, door latch
          > assembly and fasteners,
          > lock cylinder or rubber
          > mouldings.
          >
          > I'd be happy to hear any
          > other theories since I am
          > stumped!
          > >
          > >   Larry
          >
          > Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > Is there any chance that
          > Crosley factory would have
          > converted the doors with
          > the one piece windows into
          > two piece
          > window doors?
          >
          >  Crosley introduced the
          > Super in 1950 with roll
          > down windows (one piece).
          > Later in the year they
          > switched to a fixed vent
          > window (two piece).  Does
          > anyone know how long the
          > one piece windows were
          > used?
          >
          >  My car was built in July
          > 1950. The car appears to
          > have been originally
          > painted gay tan but the
          > doors appear to have
          > painted another color under
          > the gay tan.  One door looks
          > blue and the other seafoam
          > green. The sound deadener
          > inside both doors is also
          > painted gay tan but the
          > window crank mechanism is
          > painted black.  The
          > drivers door still has the
          > front bracket for the one
          > piece window and there is a
          > piece of metal brazed in to
          > support the bottom of the
          > vent window for the two
          > piece window.  The passenger
          > door doesn't have the front
          > bracket but does have the
          > metal piece brazed in for
          > the vent window.
          >  My guess is there was a
          > problem with the one piece
          > windows, possibly the
          > customers complainting that
          > it was too heavy to roll
          > up.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > I think the reasons are
          > lost in history but I'm
          > thinking that maybe there
          > was a fit problem with the
          > big one-piece window, or
          > maybe (and this sounds more
          > realistic) there was water
          > leakage happening - or
          > maybe Crosley, really
          > trying to economize by that
          > point, found it cheaper
          > somehow to make that
          > change, although I can't
          > imagine how, with the extra
          > work involved.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > then made a running change
          > and started pulling the
          > doors off the finished cars
          > to make the change for the
          > new windows.  Since they
          > had to braze the new vent
          > support, the doors would
          > have to be repainted. This
          > would explain why the
          > colors on my doors don't
          > match.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > One thing we did hear from
          > former Crosley employees at
          > the 1992 employee reunion
          > in Marion IN was that
          > quality control was
          > paramount, and that just
          > one inspector could shut
          > down the whole Crosley
          > assembly line until the
          > problem was corrected.
          > That flies right in the
          > face of those over the
          > years who have said that
          > Crosleys were thrown
          > together just because the
          > prices were low.
          > So maybe it was a running
          > change due to quality
          > problems.
          > I can relate a similar
          > story at Packard at around
          > that same time, where all
          > their 2-door Mayfair
          > hardtops leaked terribly
          > around the windows, and
          > this went on for a while
          > before it was corrected.
          > Kaiser never did correct
          > their leakage problems in
          > nine years.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          >  Could this theory be
          > correct or is it just
          > wishful thinking to explain
          > why my doors are a
          > different color!!
          >
          > Larry
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >


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