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  • lhabarth@mdiwristwatch.com
    Thanks for the reply Robert, I appreciate your opinion. I am sure the original color is tan. I didn t mention before but it was repainted turquoise/light blue
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 6, 2006
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      Thanks for the reply Robert, I appreciate your opinion.  I am sure the original color is tan. I didn't mention before but it was repainted turquoise/light blue over the original tan sometime before 1988 when I bought the car. I have started disassembling the car and everything looks original.  The headliner and interior has been removed and the tan paint is everwhere: under dash, behind interior panels, underside of roof, etc.  Behind the voltage regulator is perfect shiny tan paint.  I even found the walnut decal on the tailgate under the chrome license plate light.
       
      Since my car is a Super and should have came with roll down windows, I can't think of a reason why somebody would have replaced the doors.  The body is very solid so I don't think somebody had to replaced rotten out doors.
       
      My theory would be that the donor doors came off the finished cars still at the factory.  The doors would then go to a work area for modification. Then off to the paint area were they grabbed the first available modified left and right door, hence my mismatched doors.
       
      Also, there is no tan paint on any of the window mechanism, door latch assembly and fasteners, lock cylinder or rubber mouldings.
       
      I'd be happy to hear any other theories since I am stumped!
       
      Larry
       
       
       
      Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...> wrote:
      Larry its a good theory IMHO but I doubt anyone will
      be able to confirm the fact of the matter.  Seems to
      me that any doner to be modified doors would be in
      relative short supply. 
      As for OEM color I beleive you need to look
      elsewhere...behind the heater, under the dash beneath
      other covers...headliner, rear panals etc.  Few folks
      go to the extreme measure of disassembly when
      changeing colors or repainting.
      robert kirk

      --- Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:

      >
      > Is there any chance that Crosley factory would have
      > converted the
      > doors with the one piece windows into two piece
      > window doors?
      >
      > Crosley introduced the Super in 1950 with roll down
      > windows (one
      > piece).  Later in the year they switched to a fixed
      > vent window (two
      > piece).  Does anyone know how long the one pieces
      > windows were used?
      >
      > My car was build in July 1950. The car appears to
      > have been
      > originally painted gay tan but the doors appear to
      > have painted
      > another color under the gay tan.  One door looks
      > blue and the other
      > seafoam green. The sound deadener inside both doors
      > is also painted
      > gay tan but the window crank mechanism is painted
      > black.  The
      > drivers door still has the front bracket for the one
      > piece window
      > and there is a piece of metal brazed in to support
      > the bottom of the
      > vent window for the two piece window.  The passenger
      > door doesn't
      > have the front bracket but does have the metal piece
      > brazed in for
      > the vent window.
      >
      > My guess is there was a problem with the one piece
      > windows, possibly
      > the customers complainting that it was to heavy to
      > roll up.  Crosley
      > then made a running change and started pulling the
      > doors off the
      > finished cars to make the change for the new
      > windows.  Since they
      > had to braze the new vent support, the doors would
      > have to be
      > repainted. This would explain why the colors on my
      > doors don't match.
      >
      > Could this theory be correct or is it just wishful
      > thinking to
      > explain why my doors are a different color!! 
      >
      > Larry
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      >
      >
      >


      Regards,
      Robert Kirk

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    • mrcooby
      lhabarth@... wrote: Thanks for the reply Robert, I appreciate your opinion. I am sure the original color is tan. I didn t mention before but it was
      Message 2 of 6 , Feb 9, 2006
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        "lhabarth@..." wrote:

        Thanks for the reply
        Robert, I appreciate your
        opinion. I am sure the
        original color is tan. I
        didn't mention before but
        it was repainted
        turquoise/light blue over
        the original tan sometime
        before 1988 when I bought
        the car. I have started
        disassembling the car and
        everything looks original.
        The headliner and interior
        has been removed and the
        tan paint is everwhere:
        under dash, behind interior
        panels, underside of roof,
        etc. Behind the voltage
        regulator is perfect shiny
        tan paint. I even found
        the walnut decal on the
        tailgate under the chrome
        license plate light.

        Since my car is a Super and
        should have came with roll
        down windows, I can't think
        of a reason why somebody
        would have replaced the
        doors. The body is very
        solid so I don't think
        somebody had to replaced
        rotten out doors.

        My theory would be that the
        donor doors came off the
        finished cars still at the
        factory. The doors would
        then go to a work area for
        modification. Then off to
        the paint area were they
        grabbed the first available
        modified left and right
        door, hence my mismatched
        doors.

        Also, there is no tan paint
        on any of the window
        mechanism, door latch
        assembly and fasteners,
        lock cylinder or rubber
        mouldings.

        I'd be happy to hear any
        other theories since I am
        stumped!
        >
        > Larry

        Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:


        Is there any chance that
        Crosley factory would have
        converted the doors with
        the one piece windows into
        two piece
        window doors?

        Crosley introduced the
        Super in 1950 with roll
        down windows (one piece).
        Later in the year they
        switched to a fixed vent
        window (two piece). Does
        anyone know how long the
        one piece windows were
        used?

        My car was built in July
        1950. The car appears to
        have been originally
        painted gay tan but the
        doors appear to have
        painted another color under
        the gay tan. One door looks
        blue and the other seafoam
        green. The sound deadener
        inside both doors is also
        painted gay tan but the
        window crank mechanism is
        painted black. The
        drivers door still has the
        front bracket for the one
        piece window and there is a
        piece of metal brazed in to
        support the bottom of the
        vent window for the two
        piece window. The passenger
        door doesn't have the front
        bracket but does have the
        metal piece brazed in for
        the vent window.
        My guess is there was a
        problem with the one piece
        windows, possibly the
        customers complainting that
        it was too heavy to roll
        up.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
        I think the reasons are
        lost in history but I'm
        thinking that maybe there
        was a fit problem with the
        big one-piece window, or
        maybe (and this sounds more
        realistic) there was water
        leakage happening - or
        maybe Crosley, really
        trying to economize by that
        point, found it cheaper
        somehow to make that
        change, although I can't
        imagine how, with the extra
        work involved.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        then made a running change
        and started pulling the
        doors off the finished cars
        to make the change for the
        new windows. Since they
        had to braze the new vent
        support, the doors would
        have to be repainted. This
        would explain why the
        colors on my doors don't
        match.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        One thing we did hear from
        former Crosley employees at
        the 1992 employee reunion
        in Marion IN was that
        quality control was
        paramount, and that just
        one inspector could shut
        down the whole Crosley
        assembly line until the
        problem was corrected.
        That flies right in the
        face of those over the
        years who have said that
        Crosleys were thrown
        together just because the
        prices were low.
        So maybe it was a running
        change due to quality
        problems.
        I can relate a similar
        story at Packard at around
        that same time, where all
        their 2-door Mayfair
        hardtops leaked terribly
        around the windows, and
        this went on for a while
        before it was corrected.
        Kaiser never did correct
        their leakage problems in
        nine years.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Could this theory be
        correct or is it just
        wishful thinking to explain
        why my doors are a
        different color!!

        Larry
      • G foster
        I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard model
        Message 3 of 6 , Feb 9, 2006
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          I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may
          be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard
          model with sliders?how hard is it to just change out the doors and put on
          that chrome name plate ?just curious what are the differences between the
          two.ill bet they were trying to get rid of the standards that may be slower
          sellers.Gary Foster
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "mrcooby" <x779@...>
          To: <Crosley@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:29 AM
          Subject: [Crosley] Re: 1950 Roll down windows


          > "lhabarth@..." wrote:
          >
          > Thanks for the reply
          > Robert, I appreciate your
          > opinion. I am sure the
          > original color is tan. I
          > didn't mention before but
          > it was repainted
          > turquoise/light blue over
          > the original tan sometime
          > before 1988 when I bought
          > the car. I have started
          > disassembling the car and
          > everything looks original.
          > The headliner and interior
          > has been removed and the
          > tan paint is everwhere:
          > under dash, behind interior
          > panels, underside of roof,
          > etc. Behind the voltage
          > regulator is perfect shiny
          > tan paint. I even found
          > the walnut decal on the
          > tailgate under the chrome
          > license plate light.
          >
          > Since my car is a Super and
          > should have came with roll
          > down windows, I can't think
          > of a reason why somebody
          > would have replaced the
          > doors. The body is very
          > solid so I don't think
          > somebody had to replaced
          > rotten out doors.
          >
          > My theory would be that the
          > donor doors came off the
          > finished cars still at the
          > factory. The doors would
          > then go to a work area for
          > modification. Then off to
          > the paint area were they
          > grabbed the first available
          > modified left and right
          > door, hence my mismatched
          > doors.
          >
          > Also, there is no tan paint
          > on any of the window
          > mechanism, door latch
          > assembly and fasteners,
          > lock cylinder or rubber
          > mouldings.
          >
          > I'd be happy to hear any
          > other theories since I am
          > stumped!
          > >
          > > Larry
          >
          > Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > Is there any chance that
          > Crosley factory would have
          > converted the doors with
          > the one piece windows into
          > two piece
          > window doors?
          >
          > Crosley introduced the
          > Super in 1950 with roll
          > down windows (one piece).
          > Later in the year they
          > switched to a fixed vent
          > window (two piece). Does
          > anyone know how long the
          > one piece windows were
          > used?
          >
          > My car was built in July
          > 1950. The car appears to
          > have been originally
          > painted gay tan but the
          > doors appear to have
          > painted another color under
          > the gay tan. One door looks
          > blue and the other seafoam
          > green. The sound deadener
          > inside both doors is also
          > painted gay tan but the
          > window crank mechanism is
          > painted black. The
          > drivers door still has the
          > front bracket for the one
          > piece window and there is a
          > piece of metal brazed in to
          > support the bottom of the
          > vent window for the two
          > piece window. The passenger
          > door doesn't have the front
          > bracket but does have the
          > metal piece brazed in for
          > the vent window.
          > My guess is there was a
          > problem with the one piece
          > windows, possibly the
          > customers complainting that
          > it was too heavy to roll
          > up.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > I think the reasons are
          > lost in history but I'm
          > thinking that maybe there
          > was a fit problem with the
          > big one-piece window, or
          > maybe (and this sounds more
          > realistic) there was water
          > leakage happening - or
          > maybe Crosley, really
          > trying to economize by that
          > point, found it cheaper
          > somehow to make that
          > change, although I can't
          > imagine how, with the extra
          > work involved.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > then made a running change
          > and started pulling the
          > doors off the finished cars
          > to make the change for the
          > new windows. Since they
          > had to braze the new vent
          > support, the doors would
          > have to be repainted. This
          > would explain why the
          > colors on my doors don't
          > match.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > One thing we did hear from
          > former Crosley employees at
          > the 1992 employee reunion
          > in Marion IN was that
          > quality control was
          > paramount, and that just
          > one inspector could shut
          > down the whole Crosley
          > assembly line until the
          > problem was corrected.
          > That flies right in the
          > face of those over the
          > years who have said that
          > Crosleys were thrown
          > together just because the
          > prices were low.
          > So maybe it was a running
          > change due to quality
          > problems.
          > I can relate a similar
          > story at Packard at around
          > that same time, where all
          > their 2-door Mayfair
          > hardtops leaked terribly
          > around the windows, and
          > this went on for a while
          > before it was corrected.
          > Kaiser never did correct
          > their leakage problems in
          > nine years.
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > Could this theory be
          > correct or is it just
          > wishful thinking to explain
          > why my doors are a
          > different color!!
          >
          > Larry
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
        • lhabarth@mdiwristwatch.com
          Hi Gary, I gave that idea some though also. It would be easy enough to change the doors on a standard to turn it into a Super. But the doors and front
          Message 4 of 6 , Feb 9, 2006
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            Hi Gary,
             
            I gave that idea some though also.  It would be easy enough to change the doors on a standard to turn it into a Super.  But the doors and front fenders would need the second piece of stainless trim added in addition to the Super script on the fenders.  Also, the standard has the hood ornament and no fender ornaments but the Super has the opposite - fender ornaments and no hood ornament.  This means either replacing the hood or filling the holes and repainting it. The interior is also different between the standard and Super.  All this seems like alot of work for the factory.
             
            My car's doors were definitely converted from one piece windows not sliders because the front bracket for the one piece window is still attached.     
             
            I agree that the standards were probably slow sellers but I wonder if Crosley forced the dealers to take the standards before filling their orders for the Supers. 
             
            I wonder if Crosley stop making the standards after the Super was introducing in late June 1950?
             
            Larry

            G foster <GFOSTER11@...> wrote:
            I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may
            be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard
            model with sliders?how hard is it to just change out the doors and put on
            that chrome name plate ?just curious what are the differences between the
            two.ill bet they were trying to get rid of the standards that may be slower
            sellers.Gary Foster
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "mrcooby" <x779@...>
            To: <Crosley@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:29 AM
            Subject: [Crosley] Re: 1950 Roll down windows


            > "lhabarth@..." wrote:
            >
            >  Thanks for the reply
            > Robert, I appreciate your
            > opinion.  I am sure the
            > original color is tan. I
            > didn't mention before but
            > it was repainted
            > turquoise/light blue over
            > the original tan sometime
            > before 1988 when I bought
            > the car. I have started
            > disassembling the car and
            > everything looks original.
            > The headliner and interior
            > has been removed and the
            > tan paint is everwhere:
            > under dash, behind interior
            > panels, underside of roof,
            > etc.  Behind the voltage
            > regulator is perfect shiny
            > tan paint.  I even found
            > the walnut decal on the
            > tailgate under the chrome
            > license plate light.
            >
            > Since my car is a Super and
            > should have came with roll
            > down windows, I can't think
            > of a reason why somebody
            > would have replaced the
            > doors.  The body is very
            > solid so I don't think
            > somebody had to replaced
            > rotten out doors.
            >
            > My theory would be that the
            > donor doors came off the
            > finished cars still at the
            > factory.  The doors would
            > then go to a work area for
            > modification. Then off to
            > the paint area were they
            > grabbed the first available
            > modified left and right
            > door, hence my mismatched
            > doors.
            >
            > Also, there is no tan paint
            > on any of the window
            > mechanism, door latch
            > assembly and fasteners,
            > lock cylinder or rubber
            > mouldings.
            >
            > I'd be happy to hear any
            > other theories since I am
            > stumped!
            > >
            > >   Larry
            >
            > Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > Is there any chance that
            > Crosley factory would have
            > converted the doors with
            > the one piece windows into
            > two piece
            > window doors?
            >
            >  Crosley introduced the
            > Super in 1950 with roll
            > down windows (one piece).
            > Later in the year they
            > switched to a fixed vent
            > window (two piece).  Does
            > anyone know how long the
            > one piece windows were
            > used?
            >
            >  My car was built in July
            > 1950. The car appears to
            > have been originally
            > painted gay tan but the
            > doors appear to have
            > painted another color under
            > the gay tan.  One door looks
            > blue and the other seafoam
            > green. The sound deadener
            > inside both doors is also
            > painted gay tan but the
            > window crank mechanism is
            > painted black.  The
            > drivers door still has the
            > front bracket for the one
            > piece window and there is a
            > piece of metal brazed in to
            > support the bottom of the
            > vent window for the two
            > piece window.  The passenger
            > door doesn't have the front
            > bracket but does have the
            > metal piece brazed in for
            > the vent window.
            >  My guess is there was a
            > problem with the one piece
            > windows, possibly the
            > customers complainting that
            > it was too heavy to roll
            > up.
            > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
            > I think the reasons are
            > lost in history but I'm
            > thinking that maybe there
            > was a fit problem with the
            > big one-piece window, or
            > maybe (and this sounds more
            > realistic) there was water
            > leakage happening - or
            > maybe Crosley, really
            > trying to economize by that
            > point, found it cheaper
            > somehow to make that
            > change, although I can't
            > imagine how, with the extra
            > work involved.
            > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            > then made a running change
            > and started pulling the
            > doors off the finished cars
            > to make the change for the
            > new windows.  Since they
            > had to braze the new vent
            > support, the doors would
            > have to be repainted. This
            > would explain why the
            > colors on my doors don't
            > match.
            > ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            > One thing we did hear from
            > former Crosley employees at
            > the 1992 employee reunion
            > in Marion IN was that
            > quality control was
            > paramount, and that just
            > one inspector could shut
            > down the whole Crosley
            > assembly line until the
            > problem was corrected.
            > That flies right in the
            > face of those over the
            > years who have said that
            > Crosleys were thrown
            > together just because the
            > prices were low.
            > So maybe it was a running
            > change due to quality
            > problems.
            > I can relate a similar
            > story at Packard at around
            > that same time, where all
            > their 2-door Mayfair
            > hardtops leaked terribly
            > around the windows, and
            > this went on for a while
            > before it was corrected.
            > Kaiser never did correct
            > their leakage problems in
            > nine years.
            > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            >  Could this theory be
            > correct or is it just
            > wishful thinking to explain
            > why my doors are a
            > different color!!
            >
            > Larry
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >


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