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  • W R
    Robert: We understand you saying that a coupe has no rear quarter windows, but of course Ford, and many other manufacturers, had 5 window coupes in the
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 28, 2008
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      Robert:
      We understand you saying that a "coupe" has no rear quarter windows, but of course Ford, and many other manufacturers, had 5 window "coupes" in the '20's,'30's, and even into the late '40's, and even some of the '49-'51 Fords were called "coupes" with rear quarter windows and rear seats. I also had a '52 DeSoto business coupe that was a short roofed 2 door with rear quarter windows , and that had the trunk area extended into the passenger compartment ending just behind the drivers seat. We're sure there were many other makes using the "business coupe" name for their base model 2 door sedan.
        We don't know if you have a copy of the Crosley Service Manual published by Service Motors, but the middle picture on the bottom row is a "CD" sedan with rear quarter windows, identified underneath as a "standard business coupe" It shows as having quarter windows too.It's our understanding that this manual is a re-print of an original factory booklet.
        The Question we put out to everyone was if there was a " CC Business Coupe" did it have a rear seat, or was the seat deleted. If the seat was a delete, was some kind of rack, or slat style floor put in it's place. We would like to set ours up as a "business coupe" with some salesman's children's toys type samples in the rear area.
      Pete & Paula

      --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...> wrote:
      From: Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...>
      Subject: =CROSLEY= Re: nomenclature
      To: Crosley@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:05 AM


      As Lou points out "coupes" died at Crosley after the war.  The fact your CC has a rear quarter lite (passenger window) precludes you from turning into a coupe.  Were you to somehow remove that structure and have a top made to conceal the removed window you could call it a coupe but I suspect you would also heavily  compromise the vehicles structural integrity in so doing. 
      Regards,
      Robert Kirk
      www.kirks-auto. com
       


    • Foster Furniture
      Lue one more thing that the Business model had different than the Super is that it used the sliding window doors left over from the cc style body, the super
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 28, 2008
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        Lue one more thing that the Business model had different than the Super is that it used the sliding window doors left over from the cc style body, the super had roll ups. I'm sure there were options available for the business but it seems that it was an effort to really get the price down as much as possible for the fleet market. Gary Foster
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        From: mrcooby
        Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:42 PM
        Subject: [SPAM] =CROSLEY= Business models.

        Paula Schmidt
        <pcs649@...> wrote:

        "Does anyone know
        whether the "business
        coupe" (no rear seat)
        was applicable to the
        CC models?  We're
        restoring a car and I
        would like to make it a
        business coupe if such
        a thing was out there
        in 1947-48."
        Paula & Pete
        ============ ========= ===
        There has been
        discussion over the
        years on this topic but
        not everyone agrees.

        It seems this model was
        the absolute
        stripper ... no
        passenger-side wiper,
        sun visor or door
        panels, and of course
        no rear seat. I'm not
        sure about the floor
        coverings or even if
        there were any, and I
        don't think there was a
        beltline chrome
        moulding.

        I did see an ad that
        mentioned a CD business
        model, and it was not
        available in the Super
        series. With Crosley,
        though, anything could
        happen. I'll bet there
        were some Super
        business cars built,
        though I've never seen
        one.

        =Lou=

      • mrcooby
        W R wrote: The Question we put out to everyone was if there was a CC Business Coupe did it have a rear seat, or was the seat deleted. If the
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 29, 2008
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          W R <racerpete84@>
          wrote:

          The Question we put out
          to everyone was if
          there was a " CC
          Business Coupe" did it
          have a rear seat, or
          was the seat deleted.
          If the seat was a
          delete, was some kind
          of rack, or slat style
          floor put in it's
          place. We would like to
          set ours up as
          a "business coupe" with
          some salesman's
          children's toys type
          samples in the rear
          area.

          Pete & Paula
          ========================
          I'll try to answer with
          some attempt at fact
          but I'm sure that no
          one in the Crosley
          world now has seen such
          a car.

          Crosley tried to appeal
          to the fleet and
          commercial market and
          did succeed in that to
          a degree. There is no
          known CC fleet
          literature except for
          mentions toward the
          pickup truck and panel
          delivery (and earlier,
          the Parkway Delivery).
          The first CC was
          already a stripper as
          offered and only needed
          a rear-seat deletion
          and the elimination of
          door panels (and
          perhaps the floor mat)
          to complete the effort.

          But customer input led
          to dealer pressure to
          dress the CCs a bit.
          Soon came more colors
          instead of just Crosley
          Gray, beltline
          moldings, bumper
          guards, a hood
          ornament, a convertible
          option, ashtrays and
          perhaps a few other
          things. It was still
          easy to delete these
          things for fleet sales,
          but no such literature
          has surfaced to date.

          Crosley had people
          whose job was to call
          on fleet customers to
          find out their needs.
          It was easy to
          dress/undress Crosleys
          any way a client would
          like.

          In the 1980s AT&T used
          Crosley-like Chevette
          Scooters, but to my
          knowledge few if any of
          these have survived,
          and I'd guess the same
          fate befell the fleet
          CCs and CDs.

          Since no one has seen
          such a car that leaves
          only guesswork. To my
          mind a fleet CC
          business sedan is
          battleship gray with
          Chinese Red wheels, no
          beltline moldings and a
          body-color bare rear
          floor. It's conceivable
          a rack was offered to
          fleet customers but
          this has been lost in
          the mists of time.

          Now, if a customer
          walked in off the
          street and asked for
          such a CC model, I see
          the dealer calling the
          distributor asking for
          a seat-delete retail
          price on a standard
          floor-model CC. That
          car would have a bare
          body-color rear floor
          but with mats in the
          footwells. The dealer's
          next car would be
          ordered without a rear
          seat and the first
          car's leftover seat
          would be popped in by
          the dealer. That was
          only possible with such
          a looseknit operation
          as Crosley.

          =Lou=
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