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  • mrcooby
    Paula Schmidt wrote: Does anyone know whether the business coupe (no rear seat) was applicable to the CC models?  We re restoring a car and I
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 28, 2008
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      Paula Schmidt
      <pcs649@...> wrote:

      "Does anyone know
      whether the "business
      coupe" (no rear seat)
      was applicable to the
      CC models?  We're
      restoring a car and I
      would like to make it a
      business coupe if such
      a thing was out there
      in 1947-48."
      Paula & Pete
      ========================
      There has been
      discussion over the
      years on this topic but
      not everyone agrees.

      It seems this model was
      the absolute
      stripper ... no
      passenger-side wiper,
      sun visor or door
      panels, and of course
      no rear seat. I'm not
      sure about the floor
      coverings or even if
      there were any, and I
      don't think there was a
      beltline chrome
      moulding.

      I did see an ad that
      mentioned a CD business
      model, and it was not
      available in the Super
      series. With Crosley,
      though, anything could
      happen. I'll bet there
      were some Super
      business cars built,
      though I've never seen
      one.

      =Lou=
    • W R
      Robert: We understand you saying that a coupe has no rear quarter windows, but of course Ford, and many other manufacturers, had 5 window coupes in the
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 28, 2008
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        Robert:
        We understand you saying that a "coupe" has no rear quarter windows, but of course Ford, and many other manufacturers, had 5 window "coupes" in the '20's,'30's, and even into the late '40's, and even some of the '49-'51 Fords were called "coupes" with rear quarter windows and rear seats. I also had a '52 DeSoto business coupe that was a short roofed 2 door with rear quarter windows , and that had the trunk area extended into the passenger compartment ending just behind the drivers seat. We're sure there were many other makes using the "business coupe" name for their base model 2 door sedan.
          We don't know if you have a copy of the Crosley Service Manual published by Service Motors, but the middle picture on the bottom row is a "CD" sedan with rear quarter windows, identified underneath as a "standard business coupe" It shows as having quarter windows too.It's our understanding that this manual is a re-print of an original factory booklet.
          The Question we put out to everyone was if there was a " CC Business Coupe" did it have a rear seat, or was the seat deleted. If the seat was a delete, was some kind of rack, or slat style floor put in it's place. We would like to set ours up as a "business coupe" with some salesman's children's toys type samples in the rear area.
        Pete & Paula

        --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...> wrote:
        From: Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...>
        Subject: =CROSLEY= Re: nomenclature
        To: Crosley@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:05 AM


        As Lou points out "coupes" died at Crosley after the war.  The fact your CC has a rear quarter lite (passenger window) precludes you from turning into a coupe.  Were you to somehow remove that structure and have a top made to conceal the removed window you could call it a coupe but I suspect you would also heavily  compromise the vehicles structural integrity in so doing. 
        Regards,
        Robert Kirk
        www.kirks-auto. com
         


      • Foster Furniture
        Lue one more thing that the Business model had different than the Super is that it used the sliding window doors left over from the cc style body, the super
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 28, 2008
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          Lue one more thing that the Business model had different than the Super is that it used the sliding window doors left over from the cc style body, the super had roll ups. I'm sure there were options available for the business but it seems that it was an effort to really get the price down as much as possible for the fleet market. Gary Foster
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          From: mrcooby
          Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:42 PM
          Subject: [SPAM] =CROSLEY= Business models.

          Paula Schmidt
          <pcs649@...> wrote:

          "Does anyone know
          whether the "business
          coupe" (no rear seat)
          was applicable to the
          CC models?  We're
          restoring a car and I
          would like to make it a
          business coupe if such
          a thing was out there
          in 1947-48."
          Paula & Pete
          ============ ========= ===
          There has been
          discussion over the
          years on this topic but
          not everyone agrees.

          It seems this model was
          the absolute
          stripper ... no
          passenger-side wiper,
          sun visor or door
          panels, and of course
          no rear seat. I'm not
          sure about the floor
          coverings or even if
          there were any, and I
          don't think there was a
          beltline chrome
          moulding.

          I did see an ad that
          mentioned a CD business
          model, and it was not
          available in the Super
          series. With Crosley,
          though, anything could
          happen. I'll bet there
          were some Super
          business cars built,
          though I've never seen
          one.

          =Lou=

        • mrcooby
          W R wrote: The Question we put out to everyone was if there was a CC Business Coupe did it have a rear seat, or was the seat deleted. If the
          Message 4 of 9 , Oct 29, 2008
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            W R <racerpete84@>
            wrote:

            The Question we put out
            to everyone was if
            there was a " CC
            Business Coupe" did it
            have a rear seat, or
            was the seat deleted.
            If the seat was a
            delete, was some kind
            of rack, or slat style
            floor put in it's
            place. We would like to
            set ours up as
            a "business coupe" with
            some salesman's
            children's toys type
            samples in the rear
            area.

            Pete & Paula
            ========================
            I'll try to answer with
            some attempt at fact
            but I'm sure that no
            one in the Crosley
            world now has seen such
            a car.

            Crosley tried to appeal
            to the fleet and
            commercial market and
            did succeed in that to
            a degree. There is no
            known CC fleet
            literature except for
            mentions toward the
            pickup truck and panel
            delivery (and earlier,
            the Parkway Delivery).
            The first CC was
            already a stripper as
            offered and only needed
            a rear-seat deletion
            and the elimination of
            door panels (and
            perhaps the floor mat)
            to complete the effort.

            But customer input led
            to dealer pressure to
            dress the CCs a bit.
            Soon came more colors
            instead of just Crosley
            Gray, beltline
            moldings, bumper
            guards, a hood
            ornament, a convertible
            option, ashtrays and
            perhaps a few other
            things. It was still
            easy to delete these
            things for fleet sales,
            but no such literature
            has surfaced to date.

            Crosley had people
            whose job was to call
            on fleet customers to
            find out their needs.
            It was easy to
            dress/undress Crosleys
            any way a client would
            like.

            In the 1980s AT&T used
            Crosley-like Chevette
            Scooters, but to my
            knowledge few if any of
            these have survived,
            and I'd guess the same
            fate befell the fleet
            CCs and CDs.

            Since no one has seen
            such a car that leaves
            only guesswork. To my
            mind a fleet CC
            business sedan is
            battleship gray with
            Chinese Red wheels, no
            beltline moldings and a
            body-color bare rear
            floor. It's conceivable
            a rack was offered to
            fleet customers but
            this has been lost in
            the mists of time.

            Now, if a customer
            walked in off the
            street and asked for
            such a CC model, I see
            the dealer calling the
            distributor asking for
            a seat-delete retail
            price on a standard
            floor-model CC. That
            car would have a bare
            body-color rear floor
            but with mats in the
            footwells. The dealer's
            next car would be
            ordered without a rear
            seat and the first
            car's leftover seat
            would be popped in by
            the dealer. That was
            only possible with such
            a looseknit operation
            as Crosley.

            =Lou=
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