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  • Robert Kirk
    As Lou points out coupes died at Crosley after the war.  The fact your CC has a rear quarter lite (passenger window) precludes you from turning into a
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 28, 2008
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      As Lou points out "coupes" died at Crosley after the war.  The fact your CC has a rear quarter lite (passenger window) precludes you from turning into a coupe.  Were you to somehow remove that structure and have a top made to conceal the removed window you could call it a coupe but I suspect you would also heavily  compromise the vehicles structural integrity in so doing. 
      Regards,
      Robert Kirk
      www.kirks-auto.com
       

    • Robert Kirk
      Lou Thanks.  I am pretty sure that the coupes all had two bows.  What I am unclear about is wether some of all sedans came with 2 or 3 bows.  I have seen
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        Lou
        Thanks.  I am pretty sure that the coupes all had two bows.  What I am unclear about is wether some of all sedans came with 2 or 3 bows.  I have seen them both ways but want to know if one in particular is OEM to the sedan.  Some has suggested it was a "running" change at Crosley in about 1941.  However I have seen earlier sedans with 3 bow tops...some to a very high standard of restoration.  No one seems to be able to nail this question for me which is important as I have patterns now for 3 bow sedans and 2 bow coupes....wish to know if I additionally need a pattern for 2 bow sedan IF it ever existed or if it is significantly rare to be not considered.

        Regards,
        Robert Kirk
        www.kirks-auto.com
         

      • mrcooby
        Paula Schmidt wrote: Does anyone know whether the business coupe (no rear seat) was applicable to the CC models?  We re restoring a car and I
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          Paula Schmidt
          <pcs649@...> wrote:

          "Does anyone know
          whether the "business
          coupe" (no rear seat)
          was applicable to the
          CC models?  We're
          restoring a car and I
          would like to make it a
          business coupe if such
          a thing was out there
          in 1947-48."
          Paula & Pete
          ========================
          There has been
          discussion over the
          years on this topic but
          not everyone agrees.

          It seems this model was
          the absolute
          stripper ... no
          passenger-side wiper,
          sun visor or door
          panels, and of course
          no rear seat. I'm not
          sure about the floor
          coverings or even if
          there were any, and I
          don't think there was a
          beltline chrome
          moulding.

          I did see an ad that
          mentioned a CD business
          model, and it was not
          available in the Super
          series. With Crosley,
          though, anything could
          happen. I'll bet there
          were some Super
          business cars built,
          though I've never seen
          one.

          =Lou=
        • W R
          Robert: We understand you saying that a coupe has no rear quarter windows, but of course Ford, and many other manufacturers, had 5 window coupes in the
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            Robert:
            We understand you saying that a "coupe" has no rear quarter windows, but of course Ford, and many other manufacturers, had 5 window "coupes" in the '20's,'30's, and even into the late '40's, and even some of the '49-'51 Fords were called "coupes" with rear quarter windows and rear seats. I also had a '52 DeSoto business coupe that was a short roofed 2 door with rear quarter windows , and that had the trunk area extended into the passenger compartment ending just behind the drivers seat. We're sure there were many other makes using the "business coupe" name for their base model 2 door sedan.
              We don't know if you have a copy of the Crosley Service Manual published by Service Motors, but the middle picture on the bottom row is a "CD" sedan with rear quarter windows, identified underneath as a "standard business coupe" It shows as having quarter windows too.It's our understanding that this manual is a re-print of an original factory booklet.
              The Question we put out to everyone was if there was a " CC Business Coupe" did it have a rear seat, or was the seat deleted. If the seat was a delete, was some kind of rack, or slat style floor put in it's place. We would like to set ours up as a "business coupe" with some salesman's children's toys type samples in the rear area.
            Pete & Paula

            --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...> wrote:
            From: Robert Kirk <kirkbrit@...>
            Subject: =CROSLEY= Re: nomenclature
            To: Crosley@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:05 AM


            As Lou points out "coupes" died at Crosley after the war.  The fact your CC has a rear quarter lite (passenger window) precludes you from turning into a coupe.  Were you to somehow remove that structure and have a top made to conceal the removed window you could call it a coupe but I suspect you would also heavily  compromise the vehicles structural integrity in so doing. 
            Regards,
            Robert Kirk
            www.kirks-auto. com
             


          • Foster Furniture
            Lue one more thing that the Business model had different than the Super is that it used the sliding window doors left over from the cc style body, the super
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              Lue one more thing that the Business model had different than the Super is that it used the sliding window doors left over from the cc style body, the super had roll ups. I'm sure there were options available for the business but it seems that it was an effort to really get the price down as much as possible for the fleet market. Gary Foster
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: mrcooby
              Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:42 PM
              Subject: [SPAM] =CROSLEY= Business models.

              Paula Schmidt
              <pcs649@...> wrote:

              "Does anyone know
              whether the "business
              coupe" (no rear seat)
              was applicable to the
              CC models?  We're
              restoring a car and I
              would like to make it a
              business coupe if such
              a thing was out there
              in 1947-48."
              Paula & Pete
              ============ ========= ===
              There has been
              discussion over the
              years on this topic but
              not everyone agrees.

              It seems this model was
              the absolute
              stripper ... no
              passenger-side wiper,
              sun visor or door
              panels, and of course
              no rear seat. I'm not
              sure about the floor
              coverings or even if
              there were any, and I
              don't think there was a
              beltline chrome
              moulding.

              I did see an ad that
              mentioned a CD business
              model, and it was not
              available in the Super
              series. With Crosley,
              though, anything could
              happen. I'll bet there
              were some Super
              business cars built,
              though I've never seen
              one.

              =Lou=

            • mrcooby
              W R wrote: The Question we put out to everyone was if there was a CC Business Coupe did it have a rear seat, or was the seat deleted. If the
              Message 6 of 9 , Oct 29, 2008
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                W R <racerpete84@>
                wrote:

                The Question we put out
                to everyone was if
                there was a " CC
                Business Coupe" did it
                have a rear seat, or
                was the seat deleted.
                If the seat was a
                delete, was some kind
                of rack, or slat style
                floor put in it's
                place. We would like to
                set ours up as
                a "business coupe" with
                some salesman's
                children's toys type
                samples in the rear
                area.

                Pete & Paula
                ========================
                I'll try to answer with
                some attempt at fact
                but I'm sure that no
                one in the Crosley
                world now has seen such
                a car.

                Crosley tried to appeal
                to the fleet and
                commercial market and
                did succeed in that to
                a degree. There is no
                known CC fleet
                literature except for
                mentions toward the
                pickup truck and panel
                delivery (and earlier,
                the Parkway Delivery).
                The first CC was
                already a stripper as
                offered and only needed
                a rear-seat deletion
                and the elimination of
                door panels (and
                perhaps the floor mat)
                to complete the effort.

                But customer input led
                to dealer pressure to
                dress the CCs a bit.
                Soon came more colors
                instead of just Crosley
                Gray, beltline
                moldings, bumper
                guards, a hood
                ornament, a convertible
                option, ashtrays and
                perhaps a few other
                things. It was still
                easy to delete these
                things for fleet sales,
                but no such literature
                has surfaced to date.

                Crosley had people
                whose job was to call
                on fleet customers to
                find out their needs.
                It was easy to
                dress/undress Crosleys
                any way a client would
                like.

                In the 1980s AT&T used
                Crosley-like Chevette
                Scooters, but to my
                knowledge few if any of
                these have survived,
                and I'd guess the same
                fate befell the fleet
                CCs and CDs.

                Since no one has seen
                such a car that leaves
                only guesswork. To my
                mind a fleet CC
                business sedan is
                battleship gray with
                Chinese Red wheels, no
                beltline moldings and a
                body-color bare rear
                floor. It's conceivable
                a rack was offered to
                fleet customers but
                this has been lost in
                the mists of time.

                Now, if a customer
                walked in off the
                street and asked for
                such a CC model, I see
                the dealer calling the
                distributor asking for
                a seat-delete retail
                price on a standard
                floor-model CC. That
                car would have a bare
                body-color rear floor
                but with mats in the
                footwells. The dealer's
                next car would be
                ordered without a rear
                seat and the first
                car's leftover seat
                would be popped in by
                the dealer. That was
                only possible with such
                a looseknit operation
                as Crosley.

                =Lou=
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