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  • Regina
    me and peter want to spend some alone time on friday night so we wont be attending this friday. i apologize but i need some time with him because saturday is
    Message 1 of 29 , Jan 1, 2008
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      me and peter want to spend some alone time on friday night so we wont be attending this
      friday. i apologize but i need some time with him because saturday is his only day off for
      the rest of this month.
    • John
      Peter, You are my hero, dude. You da man! What a role model! When ya do it so gud she craves it when she don t get it...Man oh man! You got the power! Muy
      Message 2 of 29 , Jan 1, 2008
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        Peter,
        You are my hero, dude. You da man!
        What a role model!
        When ya do it so gud she craves it when she don't get it...Man oh man!
        You got the power! Muy machismo!
        Lay dat pipe, stud!




        --- In Critical20@yahoogroups.com, "Regina" <stanksgrrl@...> wrote:
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        > me and peter want to spend some alone time on friday night so we wont
        be attending this
        > friday. i apologize but i need some time with him because saturday is
        his only day off for
        > the rest of this month.
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      • Regina
        we want to game on saturday if everyone is willing. friday night peter and me are busy. let me know what you guys think. peter should be ready for saturday if
        Message 3 of 29 , Feb 5, 2008
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          we want to game on saturday if everyone is willing. friday night peter and me are busy. let
          me know what you guys think. peter should be ready for saturday if everyone agrees.
        • michael Rowland
          fine with me Regina wrote: we want to game on saturday if everyone is willing. friday night peter and me are busy. let me know what you
          Message 4 of 29 , Feb 5, 2008
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            fine with me


            Regina <stanksgrrl@...> wrote:
            we want to game on saturday if everyone is willing. friday night peter and me are busy. let
            me know what you guys think. peter should be ready for saturday if everyone agrees.


          • Robert Campbell
            That sounds good to me. Are you going with us Regina to Rocky? ... From: Regina To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February
            Message 5 of 29 , Feb 6, 2008
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              That sounds good to me. Are you going with us Regina to Rocky?

              ----- Original Message ----
              From: Regina <stanksgrrl@...>
              To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 10:55:46 AM
              Subject: [Critical20] hey guys

              we want to game on saturday if everyone is willing. friday night peter and me are busy. let
              me know what you guys think. peter should be ready for saturday if everyone agrees.




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            • Regina Buchanan
              im strongly thinking about it. ... color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px ...
              Message 6 of 29 , Feb 6, 2008
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                im strongly thinking about it.


                --- Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@...> wrote:

                > That sounds good to me. Are you going with us Regina
                > to Rocky?
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                > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@...>
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              • John Peter DAmanda
                I m in for Saturday. Can we start soon after 7pM? john ... peter and me are busy. let ... everyone agrees.
                Message 7 of 29 , Feb 6, 2008
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                  I'm in for Saturday. Can we start soon after 7pM?
                  john
                  --- In Critical20@yahoogroups.com, "Regina" <stanksgrrl@...> wrote:
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                  > we want to game on saturday if everyone is willing. friday night
                  peter and me are busy. let
                  > me know what you guys think. peter should be ready for saturday if
                  everyone agrees.
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                • gamer@analyticaldreams.com
                  Well i guess rob and robin cant play saturday so we will have to figure something else out. Let me know if there are any ideas. Talk to you later. Peter
                  Message 8 of 29 , Feb 6, 2008
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                    Well i guess rob and robin cant play saturday so we will have to figure something else out. Let me know if there are any ideas. Talk to you later. Peter
                  • Robert Campbell
                    Ya sorry guys. Robins parents made plans for Saturday for robins birth day dinner. And since Peter and Regina are busy this Friday, as well as tomorrow night.
                    Message 9 of 29 , Feb 6, 2008
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                      Ya sorry guys. Robins parents made plans for Saturday  for robins birth day dinner. And since Peter and Regina are busy this Friday, as well as tomorrow night. Than we can not make it. Sorry.




                      ----- Original Message ----
                      From: "gamer@..." <gamer@...>
                      To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:14:44 PM
                      Subject: [Critical20] Re: Re: Re: Re: hey guys

                      Well i guess rob and robin cant play saturday so we will have to figure something else out. Let me know if there are any ideas. Talk to you later. Peter




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                    • Regina Buchanan
                      yeah i think we cancel this week. ... color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px ...
                      Message 10 of 29 , Feb 7, 2008
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                        yeah i think we cancel this week.

                        --- Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@...> wrote:

                        > Ya sorry guys. Robins parents made plans for
                        > Saturday for robins birth day dinner. And since
                        > Peter and Regina are busy this Friday, as well as
                        > tomorrow night. Than we can not make it. Sorry.
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                        > From: "gamer@..."
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                        > To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:14:44 PM
                        > Subject: [Critical20] Re: Re: Re: Re: hey guys
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                      • michael Rowland
                        FINE!!! I ll start my OWN DND group.... With blackjack... and hookers. In fact... forget the DND and the blackjack.... Regina Buchanan
                        Message 11 of 29 , Feb 7, 2008
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                          FINE!!! I'll start my OWN DND group.... With blackjack... and hookers. In fact... forget the DND and the blackjack....


                          Regina Buchanan <stanksgrrl@...> wrote:
                          yeah i think we cancel this week.

                          --- Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                          > Ya sorry guys. Robins parents made plans for
                          > Saturday for robins birth day dinner. And since
                          > Peter and Regina are busy this Friday, as well as
                          > tomorrow night. Than we can not make it. Sorry.
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                          > From: "gamer@analyticaldre ams.com"
                          > <gamer@analyticaldre ams.com>
                          > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                          > Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:14:44 PM
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                        • Regina
                          john and michael i need your guys address to send out invitations to williams birthday party. yes john transportation will be provided. im hoping you can take
                          Message 12 of 29 , Apr 24, 2008
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                            john and michael i need your guys address to send out invitations to williams birthday
                            party. yes john transportation will be provided. im hoping you can take bart to the house
                            or get a ride from michael. but i will definetly give you a ride home. thats not a problem.
                            anyway see you guys on friday...
                          • Regina
                            i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are willing to come game at our house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and we
                            Message 13 of 29 , Sep 4, 2008
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                              i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are willing to come game at our
                              house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and we cant afford to go
                              to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we have. i hope you guys
                              can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house, we will understand if
                              you guys decide to still game at michaels store.
                            • Regina Buchanan
                              p.s. we wont be making to game this week. sorry.
                              Message 14 of 29 , Sep 4, 2008
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                                p.s. we wont be making to game this week. sorry.


                                --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Regina <stanksgrrl@...> wrote:

                                > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@...>
                                > Subject: [Critical20] hey guys
                                > To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 10:11 AM
                                > i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys
                                > are willing to come game at our
                                > house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical
                                > problems and we cant afford to go
                                > to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every
                                > dollar we have. i hope you guys
                                > can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the
                                > house, we will understand if
                                > you guys decide to still game at michaels store.
                              • michael Rowland
                                I can probably make it to your house, it s not a big deal if it s just september. If John can make it here to the store i can take him to hayward, and back to
                                Message 15 of 29 , Sep 4, 2008
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                                  I can probably make it to your house, it's not a big deal if it's just september. If John can make it here to the store i can take him to hayward, and back to his place at night.
                                   
                                  So if Peter isn't comming friday, what are we going to do? Someone have something ready? If so, what level char should i make? If nobody has anything, i say we just get togeather and arena.

                                  --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Regina Buchanan <stanksgrrl@...> wrote:
                                  From: Regina Buchanan <stanksgrrl@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                  To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 10:22 AM

                                  p.s. we wont be making to game this week. sorry.

                                  --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Regina <stanksgrrl@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                  > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@yahoo. com>
                                  > Subject: [Critical20] hey guys
                                  > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                  > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 10:11 AM
                                  > i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys
                                  > are willing to come game at our
                                  > house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical
                                  > problems and we cant afford to go
                                  > to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every
                                  > dollar we have. i hope you guys
                                  > can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the
                                  > house, we will understand if
                                  > you guys decide to still game at michaels store.

                                • Robert Campbell
                                  I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If we can game at Regina s and Peter s Robin and I will show up. But Robin does not want to go
                                  Message 16 of 29 , Sep 4, 2008
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                                    I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and i agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and Kevin sometime soon.

                                     

                                    Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina, Peter, Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be changed to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.

                                     

                                    I really do miss gaming with you all.

                                     

                                    Sincerely,

                                     

                                    Bishi

                                     

                                     



                                    ----- Original Message ----
                                    From: Regina <stanksgrrl@...>
                                    To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                    Subject: [Critical20] hey guys

                                    i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are willing to come game at our
                                    house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and we cant afford to go
                                    to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we have. i hope you guys
                                    can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house, we will understand if
                                    you guys decide to still game at michaels store.


                                  • kevin cooper
                                    I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina s house. if that helps at all. ... From: Robert Campbell Subject: Re:
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Sep 4, 2008
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                                      I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina's house. if that helps at all.

                                      --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@...> wrote:
                                      From: Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                      To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:04 PM

                                      I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and i agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and Kevin sometime soon.

                                       

                                      Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina, Peter, Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be changed to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.

                                       

                                      I really do miss gaming with you all.

                                       

                                      Sincerely,

                                       

                                      Bishi

                                       

                                       



                                      ----- Original Message ----
                                      From: Regina <stanksgrrl@...>
                                      To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                      Subject: [Critical20] hey guys

                                      i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are willing to come game at our
                                      house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and we cant afford to go
                                      to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we have. i hope you guys
                                      can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house, we will understand if
                                      you guys decide to still game at michaels store.



                                    • michael Rowland
                                      Ok, so we ve established that the EXTRA TURNING feat increases the number of times you can turn BOTH undead and another type of creature if you have that
                                      Message 18 of 29 , Sep 7, 2008
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                                        Ok, so we've established that the EXTRA TURNING feat increases the number of times you can turn BOTH undead and another type of creature if you have that ability. Here's my question...
                                        If you take extra turning, say at level 1.... and then at a later level you gain access (via a prestege class) to another domain that turns creatures, does the extra turning you took at level 1 apply to the turning you can now do with your new domain. I don't see why it wouldn't, as it does say it increases "...each of your turning or rebuking abilities...."   .... but i wanna make sure this is OK.


                                        --- On Thu, 9/4/08, kevin cooper <zuoken357@...> wrote:
                                        From: kevin cooper <zuoken357@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                        To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:34 PM

                                        I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina's house. if that helps at all.

                                        --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                        From: Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                        Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                        To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:04 PM

                                        I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and i agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and Kevin sometime soon.
                                         
                                        Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina, Peter, Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be changed to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.
                                         
                                        I really do miss gaming with you all.
                                         
                                        Sincerely,
                                         
                                        Bishi
                                         
                                         


                                        ----- Original Message ----
                                        From: Regina <stanksgrrl@yahoo. com>
                                        To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                        Subject: [Critical20] hey guys

                                        i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are willing to come game at our
                                        house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and we cant afford to go
                                        to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we have. i hope you guys
                                        can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house, we will understand if
                                        you guys decide to still game at michaels store.



                                      • michael Rowland
                                        I dunno if everyone is supposed to read this or not....but here it is....   Theaeris Human Cleric of Telchur, the god of winter and cold 33 years old Chaotic
                                        Message 19 of 29 , Sep 7, 2008
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                                          I dunno if everyone is supposed to read this or not....but here it is....

                                           
                                          Theaeris
                                          Human Cleric of Telchur, the god of winter and cold
                                          33 years old
                                          Chaotic Good
                                          Theaeris originates from the cold, wintery lands of the north. He became a cleric of Telchur (god of winter and cold) in a relatively large town in the losely associated Northern Human Nation. His people, though few in number, are a hardy and brave. Theaeris, while overjoyed with his servitude to Telchur, was unhappy with the other members of his small order. He found their rules too confining, and oftern struck out on his own in terms of research and study. Theaeris, always fascinated with death and necromancy, found a way to incorperate arcane necromatic spells into his selection of divine spells. Such arcane necromancy was forbidden in his town, and considered taboo to a great many in the Northern Human Nation. Theaeris kept his research to himself, often traveling deep into the frozen waste to test his newfound powers. Occasionaly he risked researching his arcane necromancy within the town. One day, while testing a ray of enfebelement on the one of the church's cattle, he was discovered by Gregarious, a fellow cleric of similar low rank, and son of the vice-mayor of the town. Gregarious immediatly ran away, toward the town guard headquarters a block away from the chruch. Theaeris knew the concequences of his studys, and ran after Gregarious. He cought up with Gregarious in front of the headquarters. A battle ensued. Theaeris barely escaped with his life. Gregarious and 1 town guard died. A second guard was incapacitated through Theaeris' arcane necromancy, with over a dozen onlookers as witnesses.
                                          Running from a town, indeed a nation, that he could never safely return to, Theaeris set out to find a new life, far away from the wintery lands he loved. 6 months after self imposed exile, he booked passage from one port to another via a seedy looking ship. It passage was cheap, and Theaeris was low of coin. Several days into the trip their ship was attacked and boarded by the navy of a small island nation. Theaeris helped the captin successfully defend the ship, aiding in sending the naval warship to the bottom of the ocean. The captain, impressed with Theaeris, told him that they were actually pirates, and offered to keep him abord. Theaeris accepted, and fell in love with the sea. 1 year later his band of pirates were slaughtered by another naval attack. Theaeris escaped. He's spent the past 4 years jumping from one pirate ship to another, enjoying the sea and the excitement. While he's abandoned several ships who relish the killing of innicents, he has little problem with the pirates life.
                                          That is how a devoted cleric of the god of winter became a pirate traveling the seas.
                                           
                                          I don't have the char sheet totally ready yet....
                                          Everything is WOTC, 32 point build, with flaws and traits, and 2 alternative class features:
                                          DIVINE MAGICIAN
                                          and
                                          SPONTANIOUS DOMAIN CASTING
                                          I currently have only one domain due to the divine magician class feature...but the domain is COLD
                                          22 hit points
                                          full plate armor
                                          spiked chain (took the feet to be able to use it)
                                        • John
                                          In my opinion... it does increase both your number of turnings per day of undead and also domain granted power turnable creatures like some clerics who can
                                          Message 20 of 29 , Sep 7, 2008
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                                            In my opinion...
                                            it does increase both your number of turnings per day of undead and
                                            also domain granted power turnable creatures like some clerics who
                                            can turn water creatures. or like Thirst domain can turn oozes.
                                            but prestige classes are different.
                                            I think you'd have to take the extra turning feat again for the
                                            prestige class turnable creatures. The defininition of extra turning
                                            doesn't specifically included prestige classes in the book. But if
                                            you wanted to substitute and give up undead turning later for PC
                                            turning that would seem fair. At the later levels turning undead
                                            becomes useless since all the undead have incredible turn resistance
                                            anyway.
                                            -john
                                            --- In Critical20@yahoogroups.com, michael Rowland
                                            <michael_in1978@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Ok, so we've established that the EXTRA TURNING feat increases the
                                            number of times you can turn BOTH undead and another type of creature
                                            if you have that ability. Here's my question...
                                            > If you take extra turning, say at level 1.... and then at a later
                                            level you gain access (via a prestege class) to another domain that
                                            turns creatures, does the extra turning you took at level 1 apply to
                                            the turning you can now do with your new domain. I don't see why it
                                            wouldn't, as it does say it increases "...each of your turning or
                                            rebuking abilities...."   .... but i wanna make sure this is OK.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, kevin cooper <zuoken357@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > From: kevin cooper <zuoken357@...>
                                            > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                            > To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:34 PM
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina's house.
                                            if that helps at all.
                                            >
                                            > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > From: Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                            > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                            > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:04 PM
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If
                                            we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But
                                            Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and i
                                            agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make
                                            her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so
                                            will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and Kevin
                                            sometime soon.
                                            >  
                                            > Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina, Peter,
                                            Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be changed
                                            to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.
                                            >  
                                            > I really do miss gaming with you all.
                                            >  
                                            > Sincerely,
                                            >  
                                            > Bishi
                                            >  
                                            >  
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@yahoo. com>
                                            > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                            > Subject: [Critical20] hey guys
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are
                                            willing to come game at our
                                            > house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and
                                            we cant afford to go
                                            > to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we
                                            have. i hope you guys
                                            > can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house, we
                                            will understand if
                                            > you guys decide to still game at michaels store.
                                            >
                                          • michael Rowland
                                            The defininition of extra turning doesn t specifically included prestige classes in the book   What does that have to do with it. I don t think ANY feat in
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                                              "The defininition of extra turning doesn't specifically included prestige classes in the book"
                                               
                                              What does that have to do with it. I don't think ANY feat in the PHB says ANYTHING specific about prestege classes.
                                              Say you are a wizard and take combat casting at first level, and at 10th level you take a prestege class that casts divine spells. Do you get the +4 from combat casting for the divine spells. Of course you do, even though it doesn't say anything about prestege classes under the combat casting feat description.
                                              The question about extra turning has nothing to do with where you got the turning from, but weather or not it will apply to a new turning power you acquire later on. It's possible to get another domain that has turning without a taking a prestege class.
                                              Michael

                                              --- On Sun, 9/7/08, John <psybertrack@...> wrote:
                                              From: John <psybertrack@...>
                                              Subject: [Critical20] Re: Another D&D Question for Peter....
                                              To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:24 PM

                                              In my opinion...
                                              it does increase both your number of turnings per day of undead and
                                              also domain granted power turnable creatures like some clerics who
                                              can turn water creatures. or like Thirst domain can turn oozes.
                                              but prestige classes are different.
                                              I think you'd have to take the extra turning feat again for the
                                              prestige class turnable creatures. The defininition of extra turning
                                              doesn't specifically included prestige classes in the book. But if
                                              you wanted to substitute and give up undead turning later for PC
                                              turning that would seem fair. At the later levels turning undead
                                              becomes useless since all the undead have incredible turn resistance
                                              anyway.
                                              -john
                                              --- In Critical20@yahoogro ups.com, michael Rowland
                                              <michael_in1978@ ...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Ok, so we've established that the EXTRA TURNING feat increases the
                                              number of times you can turn BOTH undead and another type of creature
                                              if you have that ability. Here's my question...
                                              > If you take extra turning, say at level 1.... and then at a later
                                              level you gain access (via a prestege class) to another domain that
                                              turns creatures, does the extra turning you took at level 1 apply to
                                              the turning you can now do with your new domain. I don't see why it
                                              wouldn't, as it does say it increases "...each of your turning or
                                              rebuking abilities... ."   .... but i wanna make sure this is OK.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, kevin cooper <zuoken357@. ..> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > From: kevin cooper <zuoken357@. ..>
                                              > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                              > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:34 PM
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina's house.
                                              if that helps at all.
                                              >
                                              > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > From: Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                              > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                              > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:04 PM
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If
                                              we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But
                                              Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and i
                                              agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make
                                              her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so
                                              will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and Kevin
                                              sometime soon.
                                              >  
                                              > Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina, Peter,
                                              Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be changed
                                              to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.
                                              >  
                                              > I really do miss gaming with you all.
                                              >  
                                              > Sincerely,
                                              >  
                                              > Bishi
                                              >  
                                              >  
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@ yahoo. com>
                                              > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                              > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                              > Subject: [Critical20] hey guys
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are
                                              willing to come game at our
                                              > house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems and
                                              we cant afford to go
                                              > to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we
                                              have. i hope you guys
                                              > can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house, we
                                              will understand if
                                              > you guys decide to still game at michaels store.
                                              >

                                            • John
                                              I said it was just my opinion. So OK It was an opinion not based in fact at all. good point. While the books are by no means crystal clear on the feat adding
                                              Message 22 of 29 , Sep 8, 2008
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                                                I said it was just my opinion.
                                                So OK It was an opinion not based in fact at all. good point.
                                                While the books are by no means crystal clear on the feat adding to
                                                what you are talking about. I went back and checked further on it. I
                                                came to this conclusion:
                                                I re read it and you are correct Michael. Your feat adds to all your
                                                turnings. Besides undead what else will you be able to turn when you
                                                get your domains and p. class?


                                                --- In Critical20@yahoogroups.com, michael Rowland
                                                <michael_in1978@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > "The defininition of extra turning doesn't specifically included
                                                prestige classes in the book"
                                                >  
                                                > What does that have to do with it. I don't think ANY feat in the
                                                PHB says ANYTHING specific about prestege classes.
                                                > Say you are a wizard and take combat casting at first level, and at
                                                10th level you take a prestege class that casts divine spells. Do you
                                                get the +4 from combat casting for the divine spells. Of course you
                                                do, even though it doesn't say anything about prestege classes under
                                                the combat casting feat description.
                                                > The question about extra turning has nothing to do with where you
                                                got the turning from, but weather or not it will apply to a new
                                                turning power you acquire later on. It's possible to get another
                                                domain that has turning without a taking a prestege class.
                                                > Michael
                                                >
                                                > --- On Sun, 9/7/08, John <psybertrack@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > From: John <psybertrack@...>
                                                > Subject: [Critical20] Re: Another D&D Question for Peter....
                                                > To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:24 PM
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > In my opinion...
                                                > it does increase both your number of turnings per day of undead and
                                                > also domain granted power turnable creatures like some clerics who
                                                > can turn water creatures. or like Thirst domain can turn oozes.
                                                > but prestige classes are different.
                                                > I think you'd have to take the extra turning feat again for the
                                                > prestige class turnable creatures. The defininition of extra
                                                turning
                                                > doesn't specifically included prestige classes in the book. But if
                                                > you wanted to substitute and give up undead turning later for PC
                                                > turning that would seem fair. At the later levels turning undead
                                                > becomes useless since all the undead have incredible turn
                                                resistance
                                                > anyway.
                                                > -john
                                                > --- In Critical20@yahoogro ups.com, michael Rowland
                                                > <michael_in1978@ ...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Ok, so we've established that the EXTRA TURNING feat increases
                                                the
                                                > number of times you can turn BOTH undead and another type of
                                                creature
                                                > if you have that ability. Here's my question...
                                                > > If you take extra turning, say at level 1.... and then at a later
                                                > level you gain access (via a prestege class) to another domain that
                                                > turns creatures, does the extra turning you took at level 1 apply
                                                to
                                                > the turning you can now do with your new domain. I don't see why it
                                                > wouldn't, as it does say it increases "...each of your turning or
                                                > rebuking abilities... ."   .... but i wanna make sure this is OK.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, kevin cooper <zuoken357@ ..> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > From: kevin cooper <zuoken357@ ..>
                                                > > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                                > > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:34 PM
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
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                                                > >
                                                > > I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina's
                                                house.
                                                > if that helps at all.
                                                > >
                                                > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                                wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > From: Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                                > > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                                > > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:04 PM
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If
                                                > we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But
                                                > Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and
                                                i
                                                > agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make
                                                > her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so
                                                > will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and
                                                Kevin
                                                > sometime soon.
                                                > >  
                                                > > Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina,
                                                Peter,
                                                > Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be
                                                changed
                                                > to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.
                                                > >  
                                                > > I really do miss gaming with you all.
                                                > >  
                                                > > Sincerely,
                                                > >  
                                                > > Bishi
                                                > >  
                                                > >  
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@ yahoo. com>
                                                > > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                                > > Subject: [Critical20] hey guys
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are
                                                > willing to come game at our
                                                > > house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems
                                                and
                                                > we cant afford to go
                                                > > to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we
                                                > have. i hope you guys
                                                > > can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house,
                                                we
                                                > will understand if
                                                > > you guys decide to still game at michaels store.
                                                > >
                                                >
                                              • michael Rowland
                                                Nothing wrong with an opinion, unless of course it isn t mine.... hahahahaha!!!! Anyway, I only start with one domain.... and i chose cold because it allowed
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                                                  Nothing wrong with an opinion, unless of course it isn't mine....
                                                  hahahahaha!!!!
                                                  Anyway, I only start with one domain.... and i chose cold because it allowed turning of fire creatures. (i think it turns fire, or rebukes cold????) Pluss it has NICE domain spells for a cleric. (which i will be able to cast spontaniously instead of cure's or inflicts) I may take a prestege class that grants an extra domain, so i can take another 'turning' domain. My god (Telchur) has the 'air' domain as well, which turns earth creatures. There's a prestege class in the players guide to ferun that is easy to qualify for that grants one... divine disiple. I need to find the most updated version of that, cus i've seen one where the divine disiple gets the domain at 1st level, and one where it gets it at 4th level. I dunno wich one is more up to date....
                                                   

                                                  --- On Mon, 9/8/08, John <psybertrack@...> wrote:
                                                  From: John <psybertrack@...>
                                                  Subject: [Critical20] Re: Another D&D Question for Peter....
                                                  To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:24 PM

                                                  I said it was just my opinion.
                                                  So OK It was an opinion not based in fact at all. good point.
                                                  While the books are by no means crystal clear on the feat adding to
                                                  what you are talking about. I went back and checked further on it. I
                                                  came to this conclusion:
                                                  I re read it and you are correct Michael. Your feat adds to all your
                                                  turnings. Besides undead what else will you be able to turn when you
                                                  get your domains and p. class?

                                                  --- In Critical20@yahoogro ups.com, michael Rowland
                                                  <michael_in1978@ ...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > "The defininition of extra turning doesn't specifically included
                                                  prestige classes in the book"
                                                  >  
                                                  > What does that have to do with it. I don't think ANY feat in the
                                                  PHB says ANYTHING specific about prestege classes.
                                                  > Say you are a wizard and take combat casting at first level, and at
                                                  10th level you take a prestege class that casts divine spells. Do you
                                                  get the +4 from combat casting for the divine spells. Of course you
                                                  do, even though it doesn't say anything about prestege classes under
                                                  the combat casting feat description.
                                                  > The question about extra turning has nothing to do with where you
                                                  got the turning from, but weather or not it will apply to a new
                                                  turning power you acquire later on. It's possible to get another
                                                  domain that has turning without a taking a prestege class.
                                                  > Michael
                                                  >
                                                  > --- On Sun, 9/7/08, John <psybertrack@ ...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > From: John <psybertrack@ ...>
                                                  > Subject: [Critical20] Re: Another D&D Question for Peter....
                                                  > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:24 PM
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > In my opinion...
                                                  > it does increase both your number of turnings per day of undead and
                                                  > also domain granted power turnable creatures like some clerics who
                                                  > can turn water creatures. or like Thirst domain can turn oozes.
                                                  > but prestige classes are different.
                                                  > I think you'd have to take the extra turning feat again for the
                                                  > prestige class turnable creatures. The defininition of extra
                                                  turning
                                                  > doesn't specifically included prestige classes in the book. But if
                                                  > you wanted to substitute and give up undead turning later for PC
                                                  > turning that would seem fair. At the later levels turning undead
                                                  > becomes useless since all the undead have incredible turn
                                                  resistance
                                                  > anyway.
                                                  > -john
                                                  > --- In Critical20@yahoogro ups.com, michael Rowland
                                                  > <michael_in1978@ ...> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Ok, so we've established that the EXTRA TURNING feat increases
                                                  the
                                                  > number of times you can turn BOTH undead and another type of
                                                  creature
                                                  > if you have that ability. Here's my question...
                                                  > > If you take extra turning, say at level 1.... and then at a later
                                                  > level you gain access (via a prestege class) to another domain that
                                                  > turns creatures, does the extra turning you took at level 1 apply
                                                  to
                                                  > the turning you can now do with your new domain. I don't see why it
                                                  > wouldn't, as it does say it increases "...each of your turning or
                                                  > rebuking abilities... ."   .... but i wanna make sure this is OK.
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, kevin cooper <zuoken357@ ..> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > From: kevin cooper <zuoken357@ ..>
                                                  > > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                                  > > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:34 PM
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > I would be completely cool with Gaming at Peter and Regina's
                                                  house.
                                                  > if that helps at all.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                                  wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > From: Robert Campbell <gamestweeker@ yahoo.com>
                                                  > > Subject: Re: [Critical20] hey guys
                                                  > > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:04 PM
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > I guess i have to agree with Regina. Well at least robin does. If
                                                  > we can game at Regina"s and Peter's Robin and I will show up. But
                                                  > Robin does not want to go and not have someone to hang out with and
                                                  i
                                                  > agree with her. I have the guys she has Regina, so i will not make
                                                  > her take me. So if games are happening and where ever Regina is so
                                                  > will we be. Sorry about this guys. Hope to see Mike, John, and
                                                  Kevin
                                                  > sometime soon.
                                                  > >  
                                                  > > Plus with the subject of October and early November, Regina,
                                                  Peter,
                                                  > Robin, and I are working on the weekends. So game needs to be
                                                  changed
                                                  > to middle of the week, Or just skipped. Again sorry.
                                                  > >  
                                                  > > I really do miss gaming with you all.
                                                  > >  
                                                  > > Sincerely,
                                                  > >  
                                                  > > Bishi
                                                  > >  
                                                  > >  
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                  > > From: Regina <stanksgrrl@ yahoo. com>
                                                  > > To: Critical20@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:11:39 AM
                                                  > > Subject: [Critical20] hey guys
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > i was wondering if for the month of september if you guys are
                                                  > willing to come game at our
                                                  > > house. peter and i are having some very bad finanical problems
                                                  and
                                                  > we cant afford to go
                                                  > > to oakland and back each week, we need to pinch every dollar we
                                                  > have. i hope you guys
                                                  > > can understand. if you guys dont want to game here at the house,
                                                  we
                                                  > will understand if
                                                  > > you guys decide to still game at michaels store.
                                                  > >
                                                  >

                                                • John
                                                  I am not sure if you mean the prestige class lets you turn certain creatures or that the pc gives you a new domain which lets you turn certain creatures. OK
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                                                    I am not sure if you mean the prestige class lets you turn
                                                    certain creatures or that the pc gives you a new domain which lets you
                                                    turn certain creatures.
                                                    OK but what I really want to know isn't the cold fire air earth thing
                                                    thats in the p h . I knew that. I really
                                                    want to know what else you can turn from a prestige class or from a new
                                                    domain? can you turn dragons? can you rebuke elves? can you turn
                                                    giants? You see what I am getting at. depending on what a character can
                                                    turn the extra turning feat applying to it(and it does) could have
                                                    either a minor or a MAJOR impact on the game play and overall balance
                                                    of the game. Since clerics don't usually get the juicy stuff that
                                                    wizards and sorcs get, I doubt it will let you turn deities. But that
                                                    would be really cool.
                                                    -John

                                                    ps is there a domain limitation re forbidding a cleric from choosing
                                                    both fire and cold domains or fire and water domains?
                                                  • michael Rowland
                                                    I don t think you can turn many types of things.... plant creature, undead, elemental creatures.....?????? i m not a cleric expert. I ll only be able to turn
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                                                      I don't think you can turn many types of things.... plant creature, undead, elemental creatures.....?????? i'm not a cleric expert. I'll only be able to turn undead and fire creatures (which i guess means fire elementals????) at first level, and maybe rock creatures if i take that prestege class. I was talking about a prestege class that lets you pick a new domain from your list available via your dieity. Turning sucks anyway... i plan on using the turn attempts for other things.
                                                      Michael


                                                      --- On Tue, 9/9/08, John <psybertrack@...> wrote:
                                                      From: John <psybertrack@...>
                                                      Subject: [Critical20] Re: Another D&D Question for Peter....
                                                      To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:11 AM

                                                      I am not sure if you mean the prestige class lets you turn
                                                      certain creatures or that the pc gives you a new domain which lets you
                                                      turn certain creatures.
                                                      OK but what I really want to know isn't the cold fire air earth thing
                                                      thats in the p h . I knew that. I really
                                                      want to know what else you can turn from a prestige class or from a new
                                                      domain? can you turn dragons? can you rebuke elves? can you turn
                                                      giants? You see what I am getting at. depending on what a character can
                                                      turn the extra turning feat applying to it(and it does) could have
                                                      either a minor or a MAJOR impact on the game play and overall balance
                                                      of the game. Since clerics don't usually get the juicy stuff that
                                                      wizards and sorcs get, I doubt it will let you turn deities. But that
                                                      would be really cool.
                                                      -John

                                                      ps is there a domain limitation re forbidding a cleric from choosing
                                                      both fire and cold domains or fire and water domains?

                                                    • John
                                                      Domain turn,destroy creatures & rebuke,command,bolster creatures Air t. earth creatures & r. air creatures Blightbringer -
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                                                        Domain turn,destroy creatures & rebuke,command,bolster creatures
                                                        Air t. earth creatures & r. air creatures
                                                        Blightbringer - rebuke/comd blightspawned creatures,and
                                                        evil alligned animals and plants(Faerun)
                                                        Cold t. fire creatures & r. cold creatures
                                                        Earth t. air creatures & r. earth creatures
                                                        Fire t. water creatures & r. fire creatures
                                                        Plant - r. plant creatures
                                                        Moon turn/destroy lycanthropes(Complete Divine)
                                                        Scalykind - rebuke/command reptilian creatures & snakes
                                                        Slime - rebuke/command oozes
                                                        Spider - rebuke/command spiders
                                                        Thirst - rebuke/command oozes(Sandstorm book)
                                                        Water t. fire creatures & r. water creatures
                                                        these are just a few of them


                                                        --- In Critical20@yahoogroups.com, michael Rowland
                                                        <michael_in1978@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > I don't think you can turn many types of things.... plant creature,
                                                        undead, elemental creatures.....?????? i'm not a cleric expert. I'll
                                                        only be able to turn undead and fire creatures (which i guess means
                                                        fire elementals????) at first level, and maybe rock creatures if i
                                                        take that prestege class. I was talking about a prestege class that
                                                        lets you pick a new domain from your list available via your dieity.
                                                        Turning sucks anyway... i plan on using the turn attempts for other
                                                        things.
                                                        > Michael
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, John <psybertrack@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > From: John <psybertrack@...>
                                                        > Subject: [Critical20] Re: Another D&D Question for Peter....
                                                        > To: Critical20@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:11 AM
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > I am not sure if you mean the prestige class lets you turn
                                                        > certain creatures or that the pc gives you a new domain which lets
                                                        you
                                                        > turn certain creatures.
                                                        > OK but what I really want to know isn't the cold fire air earth
                                                        thing
                                                        > thats in the p h . I knew that. I really
                                                        > want to know what else you can turn from a prestige class or from a
                                                        new
                                                        > domain? can you turn dragons? can you rebuke elves? can you turn
                                                        > giants? You see what I am getting at. depending on what a character
                                                        can
                                                        > turn the extra turning feat applying to it(and it does) could have
                                                        > either a minor or a MAJOR impact on the game play and overall
                                                        balance
                                                        > of the game. Since clerics don't usually get the juicy stuff that
                                                        > wizards and sorcs get, I doubt it will let you turn deities. But
                                                        that
                                                        > would be really cool.
                                                        > -John
                                                        >
                                                        > ps is there a domain limitation re forbidding a cleric from
                                                        choosing
                                                        > both fire and cold domains or fire and water domains?
                                                        >
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