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  • Victor Asp
    Located in Seattle Washington - $1600 Cri Cri Project - started Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets) Two Plexiglass Canopies Construction Manual
    Message 1 of 22 , Jun 3, 2012
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      Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

      Cri Cri Project - started

      Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

      Two Plexiglass Canopies

      Construction Manual (English)

                  -General Operations (30 sections)

                  -Special Operations (8 sections)

                  -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

      Flight Manual (English)

                  -General

                  -Operating limitations

                  -Use

                  -Emergency Procedures

                  -Performance

                  -Maintenance

      Appendix (French)

      Newsletters (Zenair)

      Materials collected:

      2024-T3 Sheet

                  0.040” (clad)

                  0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

      6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                   -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

      Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

       

      Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                  Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                  Frame 4 (partial)

                  Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                  Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                  Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                  Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

      Lexan for aft canopy

      Flaperon Leading Edge form

      Includes several other building forms


      I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


      Thanks,
      Victor Asp

    • Jacek Kobiesa
      I am in Pasco, WA. Would like to buy some parts. Please email me at jacek.kobiesa@raypolandandsons.com or call 509-586-2158 office or 509-380-4106 cell. Jacek
      Message 2 of 22 , Jun 3, 2012
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        I am in Pasco, WA. Would like to buy some parts. Please email me at jacek.kobiesa@... or call 509-586-2158 office or 509-380-4106 cell. Jacek

         

        From: CriCri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CriCri@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Asp
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM
        To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale

         

        Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

         

        Cri Cri Project - started

        Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

        Two Plexiglass Canopies

        Construction Manual (English)

                    -General Operations (30 sections)

                    -Special Operations (8 sections)

                    -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

        Flight Manual (English)

                    -General

                    -Operating limitations

                    -Use

                    -Emergency Procedures

                    -Performance

                    -Maintenance

        Appendix (French)

        Newsletters (Zenair)

        Materials collected:

        2024-T3 Sheet

                    0.040” (clad)

                    0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

        6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                     -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

        Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

         

        Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                    Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                    Frame 4 (partial)

                    Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                    Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                    Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                    Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

        Lexan for aft canopy

        Flaperon Leading Edge form

        Includes several other building forms

         

        I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.

         

        Thanks,

        Victor Asp

         


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      • dva602297
        I appreciate you wanting to buy parts but in order to sell I do not want to divide it up. I am selling everything at once. Full set of plans and manuals plus
        Message 3 of 22 , Jun 3, 2012
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          I appreciate you wanting to buy parts but in order to sell I do not want to divide it up. I am selling everything at once. Full set of plans and manuals plus 2 canopies. I have posted photos.

          Vic

          --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, "Jacek Kobiesa" <jacek_kobiesa@...> wrote:
          >
          > I am in Pasco, WA. Would like to buy some parts. Please email me at
          > jacek.kobiesa@... or call 509-586-2158 office or
          > 509-380-4106 cell. Jacek
          >
          >
          >
          > From: CriCri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CriCri@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          > Victor Asp
          > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM
          > To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale
          >
          >
          >
          > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
          >
          >
          >
          > Cri Cri Project - started
          >
          > Full set of paper plans (~2' x 4' sheets)
          >
          > Two Plexiglass Canopies
          >
          > Construction Manual (English)
          >
          > -General Operations (30 sections)
          >
          > -Special Operations (8 sections)
          >
          > -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)
          >
          > Flight Manual (English)
          >
          > -General
          >
          > -Operating limitations
          >
          > -Use
          >
          > -Emergency Procedures
          >
          > -Performance
          >
          > -Maintenance
          >
          > Appendix (French)
          >
          > Newsletters (Zenair)
          >
          > Materials collected:
          >
          > 2024-T3 Sheet
          >
          > 0.040" (clad)
          >
          > 0.016" (4' x 8'), 0.020", 0.032", 0.063", 0.050", 0.100", 0.150"
          > (bare)
          >
          > 6061 -T6511 "L"-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)
          >
          > -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)
          >
          > Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25" thick pieces
          >
          >
          >
          > Fabricated Parts or assemblies:
          >
          > Fuselage Tail section (shell)
          >
          > Frame 4 (partial)
          >
          > Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)
          >
          > Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)
          >
          > Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)
          >
          > Rudder (waiting for skin attach)
          >
          > Lexan for aft canopy
          >
          > Flaperon Leading Edge form
          >
          > Includes several other building forms
          >
          >
          >
          > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
          >
          >
          >
          > Thanks,
          >
          > Victor Asp
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • Bill Robison
          Hi Victor, My name is Bill and was wondering if you would want to sell both canopies or just one? 1-559-299-3981 billsdodgers@att.net ... From: Victor Asp To:
          Message 4 of 22 , Jun 3, 2012
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            Hi Victor,
            My name is Bill and was wondering if you would want to sell both canopies or just one?
            1-559-299-3981
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            Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM
            Subject: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale

            Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

            Cri Cri Project - started

            Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

            Two Plexiglass Canopies

            Construction Manual (English)

                        -General Operations (30 sections)

                        -Special Operations (8 sections)

                        -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

            Flight Manual (English)

                        -General

                        -Operating limitations

                        -Use

                        -Emergency Procedures

                        -Performance

                        -Maintenance

            Appendix (French)

            Newsletters (Zenair)

            Materials collected:

            2024-T3 Sheet

                        0.040” (clad)

                        0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

            6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                         -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

            Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

            Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                        Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                        Frame 4 (partial)

                        Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                        Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                        Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                        Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

            Lexan for aft canopy

            Flaperon Leading Edge form

            Includes several other building forms


            I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


            Thanks,
            Victor Asp

          • petwer solomon
            hi  there just wondering what would it take to box all it up and send it to australia il pay WHAT YOUR ASKING PLUS FREIGHTcost ... From: Jacek Kobiesa
            Message 5 of 22 , Jun 4, 2012
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              hi  there just wondering what would it take to box all it up and send it to australia il pay WHAT YOUR ASKING PLUS FREIGHTcost

              --- On Mon, 6/4/12, Jacek Kobiesa <jacek_kobiesa@...> wrote:

              From: Jacek Kobiesa <jacek_kobiesa@...>
              Subject: RE: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale
              To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com
              Received: Monday, June 4, 2012, 8:01 AM

               

              I am in Pasco, WA. Would like to buy some parts. Please email me at jacek.kobiesa@... or call 509-586-2158 office or 509-380-4106 cell. Jacek

               

              From: CriCri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CriCri@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Asp
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM
              To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale

               

              Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

               

              Cri Cri Project - started

              Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

              Two Plexiglass Canopies

              Construction Manual (English)

                          -General Operations (30 sections)

                          -Special Operations (8 sections)

                          -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

              Flight Manual (English)

                          -General

                          -Operating limitations

                          -Use

                          -Emergency Procedures

                          -Performance

                          -Maintenance

              Appendix (French)

              Newsletters (Zenair)

              Materials collected:

              2024-T3 Sheet

                          0.040” (clad)

                          0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

              6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                           -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

              Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

               

              Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                          Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                          Frame 4 (partial)

                          Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                          Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                          Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                          Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

              Lexan for aft canopy

              Flaperon Leading Edge form

              Includes several other building forms

               

              I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.

               

              Thanks,

              Victor Asp

               


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            • 夏磊
              Hi, I am in shanghai china, I want to buy your cri cri project. Pls e-mail to me : rainstone3800@hotmail.com Tank u! Xialei from ·¢¼þÈË:
              Message 6 of 22 , Jun 4, 2012
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                Hi, I am in shanghai china, I want to  buy your cri cri project. Pls e-mail to me : rainstone3800@...

                 

                Tank u!

                 

                Xialei from

                 

                发件人: CriCri@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CriCri@yahoogroups.com] 代表 Victor Asp
                发送时间: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:02 AM
                收件人: CriCri@yahoogroups.com
                主题: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale

                 

                Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

                 

                Cri Cri Project - started

                Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

                Two Plexiglass Canopies

                Construction Manual (English)

                            -General Operations (30 sections)

                            -Special Operations (8 sections)

                            -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

                Flight Manual (English)

                            -General

                            -Operating limitations

                            -Use

                            -Emergency Procedures

                            -Performance

                            -Maintenance

                Appendix (French)

                Newsletters (Zenair)

                Materials collected:

                2024-T3 Sheet

                            0.040” (clad)

                            0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

                6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                             -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

                Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

                 

                Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                            Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                            Frame 4 (partial)

                            Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                            Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                            Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                            Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

                Lexan for aft canopy

                Flaperon Leading Edge form

                Includes several other building forms

                 

                I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.

                 

                Thanks,

                Victor Asp

                 

              • Keith M. Gay
                Good morning Victor, Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6 3 tall). I
                Message 7 of 22 , Jun 5, 2012
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                  Good morning Victor,

                  Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6'3" tall). I would be interested, but only if I could ultimately fly the darn thing...can you shed some light on those particular parameters? I am in Savannah Ga. so if you have any shipping quotes that would be helpful...
                  Thank you for your time.
                  Keith

                  Sent from my iPad

                  On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:

                  Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

                  Cri Cri Project - started

                  Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

                  Two Plexiglass Canopies

                  Construction Manual (English)

                              -General Operations (30 sections)

                              -Special Operations (8 sections)

                              -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

                  Flight Manual (English)

                              -General

                              -Operating limitations

                              -Use

                              -Emergency Procedures

                              -Performance

                              -Maintenance

                  Appendix (French)

                  Newsletters (Zenair)

                  Materials collected:

                  2024-T3 Sheet

                              0.040” (clad)

                              0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

                  6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                               -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

                  Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

                   

                  Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                              Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                              Frame 4 (partial)

                              Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                              Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                              Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                              Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

                  Lexan for aft canopy

                  Flaperon Leading Edge form

                  Includes several other building forms


                  I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


                  Thanks,
                  Victor Asp

                  <Aft Fuse.jpg><Canopies.jpg>
                  <Leading Edge.jpg>
                  <Ribs.jpg><Rudder.jpg>
                • Christian von Delius
                  Keith- I see a diet in your future -) Mine too. I am 205 and with the MGTOW at 374, I think even at 190 would be pushing it. And certainly you will need to
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jun 5, 2012
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                    Keith-
                    I see a diet in your future  '-)
                    Mine too. I am 205 and with the MGTOW at 374, I think even at 190 would be pushing it.
                    And certainly you will need to do the add inches to the canopy mod.
                    -Christian
                    --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                    Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                             -a division of-
                    www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                           "We build ideas.."


                    On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                     

                    Good morning Victor,

                    Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6'3" tall). I would be interested, but only if I could ultimately fly the darn thing...can you shed some light on those particular parameters? I am in Savannah Ga. so if you have any shipping quotes that would be helpful...
                    Thank you for your time.
                    Keith

                    Sent from my iPad

                    On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:

                    Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

                    Cri Cri Project - started

                    Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

                    Two Plexiglass Canopies

                    Construction Manual (English)

                                -General Operations (30 sections)

                                -Special Operations (8 sections)

                                -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

                    Flight Manual (English)

                                -General

                                -Operating limitations

                                -Use

                                -Emergency Procedures

                                -Performance

                                -Maintenance

                    Appendix (French)

                    Newsletters (Zenair)

                    Materials collected:

                    2024-T3 Sheet

                                0.040” (clad)

                                0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

                    6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                                 -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

                    Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

                     

                    Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                                Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                                Frame 4 (partial)

                                Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                                Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                                Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                                Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

                    Lexan for aft canopy

                    Flaperon Leading Edge form

                    Includes several other building forms


                    I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


                    Thanks,
                    Victor Asp

                    <Aft Fuse.jpg><Canopies.jpg>
                    <Leading Edge.jpg>
                    <Ribs.jpg><Rudder.jpg>


                  • Keith M. Gay
                    Christian, Has anyone ever modified this bird to enable the ability to carry more weight? I am about as far from an engineer as it can get, but my assumption
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jun 5, 2012
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                      Christian,

                      Has anyone ever modified this bird to enable the ability to carry more weight? I am about as far from an engineer as it can get, but my assumption would be larger airfoils all the way around, possibly an extension of the longitudinal axis, and a little bigger engines (if they even exist). Because let's face it...I will never be anywhere near 190lbs in the future...people would think I was sick...and I prefer meat with my rabbit food. I have been intrigued by this aircraft since I first saw it, and as with most of these experimental birds...they are designed for short, skinny folks. Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..
                      Keith

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:

                       

                      Keith-
                      I see a diet in your future  '-)
                      Mine too. I am 205 and with the MGTOW at 374, I think even at 190 would be pushing it.
                      And certainly you will need to do the add inches to the canopy mod.
                      -Christian
                      --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                      Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                               -a division of-
                      www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                             "We build ideas.."


                      On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                       

                      Good morning Victor,

                      Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6'3" tall). I would be interested, but only if I could ultimately fly the darn thing...can you shed some light on those particular parameters? I am in Savannah Ga. so if you have any shipping quotes that would be helpful...
                      Thank you for your time.
                      Keith

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:

                      Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

                      Cri Cri Project - started

                      Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

                      Two Plexiglass Canopies

                      Construction Manual (English)

                                  -General Operations (30 sections)

                                  -Special Operations (8 sections)

                                  -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

                      Flight Manual (English)

                                  -General

                                  -Operating limitations

                                  -Use

                                  -Emergency Procedures

                                  -Performance

                                  -Maintenance

                      Appendix (French)

                      Newsletters (Zenair)

                      Materials collected:

                      2024-T3 Sheet

                                  0.040” (clad)

                                  0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

                      6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                                   -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

                      Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

                       

                      Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                                  Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                                  Frame 4 (partial)

                                  Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                                  Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                                  Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                                  Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

                      Lexan for aft canopy

                      Flaperon Leading Edge form

                      Includes several other building forms


                      I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


                      Thanks,
                      Victor Asp

                      <Aft Fuse.jpg><Canopies.jpg>
                      <Leading Edge.jpg>
                      <Ribs.jpg><Rudder.jpg>


                    • Femm
                      The CriCri is pushing its design limits as it is...  TO make it carry more you would have to add wing area and to off set that you would have to move the tail
                      Message 10 of 22 , Jun 5, 2012
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                        The CriCri is pushing its design limits as it is...  TO make it carry more you would have to add wing area and to off set that you would have to move the tail back and make it larger...

                        An easier way would be to enlarge the aircraft by 15 to 20% to get what you are looking for, but keep the cockpit area the same.  The scaling numbers say you would have to use about 50% more power.  I did the numbers and by enlarging it 160% you could carry two average people.

                        I have tossed the idea around of building a composit two place one. 

                        femm

                        --- On Tue, 6/5/12, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                         

                        Christian,

                        Has anyone ever modified this bird to enable the ability to carry more weight? I am about as far from an engineer as it can get, but my assumption would be larger airfoils all the way around, possibly an extension of the longitudinal axis, and a little bigger engines (if they even exist). Because let's face it...I will never be anywhere near 190lbs in the future...people would think I was sick...and I prefer meat with my rabbit food. I have been intrigued by this aircraft since I first saw it, and as with most of these experimental birds...they are designed for short, skinny folks. Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..
                        Keith

                        Sent from my iPad

                        On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:

                         

                        Keith-
                        I see a diet in your future  '-)
                        Mine too. I am 205 and with the MGTOW at 374, I think even at 190 would be pushing it.
                        And certainly you will need to do the add inches to the canopy mod.
                        -Christian
                        --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                        Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                 -a division of-
                        www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                               "We build ideas.."


                        On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                         

                        Good morning Victor,

                        Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6'3" tall). I would be interested, but only if I could ultimately fly the darn thing...can you shed some light on those particular parameters? I am in Savannah Ga. so if you have any shipping quotes that would be helpful...
                        Thank you for your time.
                        Keith

                        Sent from my iPad


                      • t0004dh
                        If one is an airplane designer, developer, and test pilot then it has been done. But I am not aware of this. What are you looking for in an aircraft?
                        Message 11 of 22 , Jun 5, 2012
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                          If one is an airplane designer, developer, and test pilot then it has been done. But I am not aware of this.

                          What are you looking for in an aircraft? Smallish, single-seat, aluminum construction, plans built, able to hold a 6' 3" 245 lb pilot? There are other proven designs: Hummel H-5 is one.

                          Aerobatics? Monnett OneX might work, though it's a kit and not available as plans-only.

                          Good luck,

                          -Doug Hoffman

                          --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, "Keith M. Gay" <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Christian,
                          >
                          > Has anyone ever modified this bird to enable the ability to carry more weight? I am about as far from an engineer as it can get, but my assumption would be larger airfoils all the way around, possibly an extension of the longitudinal axis, and a little bigger engines (if they even exist). Because let's face it...I will never be anywhere near 190lbs in the future...people would think I was sick...and I prefer meat with my rabbit food. I have been intrigued by this aircraft since I first saw it, and as with most of these experimental birds...they are designed for short, skinny folks. Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..
                          > Keith
                          >
                          > Sent from my iPad
                          >
                          > On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > > Keith-
                          > > I see a diet in your future '-)
                          > > Mine too. I am 205 and with the MGTOW at 374, I think even at 190 would be pushing it.
                          > > And certainly you will need to do the add inches to the canopy mod.
                          > > -Christian
                          > > -- www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                          > > Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting
                          > >
                          > > -a division of-
                          > > www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                          > > "We build ideas.."
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Good morning Victor,
                          > >
                          > > Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6'3" tall). I would be interested, but only if I could ultimately fly the darn thing...can you shed some light on those particular parameters? I am in Savannah Ga. so if you have any shipping quotes that would be helpful...
                          > > Thank you for your time.
                          > > Keith
                          > >
                          > > Sent from my iPad
                          > >
                          > > On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > >> Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                          > >>
                          > >> Cri Cri Project - started
                          > >>
                          > >> Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)
                          > >>
                          > >> Two Plexiglass Canopies
                          > >>
                          > >> Construction Manual (English)
                          > >>
                          > >> -General Operations (30 sections)
                          > >>
                          > >> -Special Operations (8 sections)
                          > >>
                          > >> -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)
                          > >>
                          > >> Flight Manual (English)
                          > >>
                          > >> -General
                          > >>
                          > >> -Operating limitations
                          > >>
                          > >> -Use
                          > >>
                          > >> -Emergency Procedures
                          > >>
                          > >> -Performance
                          > >>
                          > >> -Maintenance
                          > >>
                          > >> Appendix (French)
                          > >>
                          > >> Newsletters (Zenair)
                          > >>
                          > >> Materials collected:
                          > >>
                          > >> 2024-T3 Sheet
                          > >>
                          > >> 0.040” (clad)
                          > >>
                          > >> 0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)
                          > >>
                          > >> 6061 -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)
                          > >>
                          > >> -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Fabricated Parts or assemblies:
                          > >>
                          > >> Fuselage Tail section (shell)
                          > >>
                          > >> Frame 4 (partial)
                          > >>
                          > >> Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)
                          > >>
                          > >> Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)
                          > >>
                          > >> Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)
                          > >>
                          > >> Rudder (waiting for skin attach)
                          > >>
                          > >> Lexan for aft canopy
                          > >>
                          > >> Flaperon Leading Edge form
                          > >>
                          > >> Includes several other building forms
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Thanks,
                          > >> Victor Asp
                          > >>
                          > >> <Aft Fuse.jpg><Canopies.jpg>
                          > >> <Leading Edge.jpg>
                          > >> <Ribs.jpg><Rudder.jpg>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • Christian von Delius
                          Keith- As far as I know, the CriCri has never been modified to carry more weight. I like my meat too, as is evidenced by my portly figure. But at least I have
                          Message 12 of 22 , Jun 10, 2012
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                            Keith-
                            As far as I know, the CriCri has never been modified to carry more weight.
                            I like my meat too, as is evidenced by my portly figure.
                            But at least I have the hope of losing weight since my stature is not 'built in' like yours is.
                            I am an engineer, but without much study, I cannot endorse any weight  increase improvements.
                            The CriCri was engineered very closely, and as such, with its empty weight of 175 pounds WITH both
                            engines, and a MGTOW of 374 pounds, you can do the math: a 200 pound fuel load + pilot total.
                            My intention is to build my CriCri exactly to plans using the optional  increase in canopy height.
                            I am 205# and 5' 10" so I am very close. My VariEze has an empty weight of 750# with a MGTOW of 1050,
                            with an allowance to take off with full fuel at 1110. But before I was aware of the empty weight, I was taking
                            off with myself, a 160# passenger and full fuel of 26 gallons (150#), so I am a bit over gross.
                            I have flown A LOT, and several aircraft quite a bit over gross, which I don't recommend, unless you are a
                            very experienced pilot and know the risks and consequences.
                            Because the CriCri is somewhat 'modular', one of the mods I will experiment with after my aircraft is completed is a
                            second wing set with extension and possiby a heavy duty spar which I will need to design, test, and evaluate scientifically.
                            There exists the problem of flutter which needs to be carefully considered.
                            I think it may be possible to use a slightly longer wingspan to increase the max gross weight, but then your height could be
                            and issue as well.
                            The original JPX engines are no longer produced, but they put out about 15 HP each. There are several new engines like the 3W and the ZDZ which put out quite a bit more. (ZDZ=22hp)
                            Those are my thoughts on the design.
                            -Christian

                            --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                            Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                     -a division of-
                            www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                   "We build ideas.."


                            On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                             

                            Christian,

                            Has anyone ever modified this bird to enable the ability to carry more weight? I am about as far from an engineer as it can get, but my assumption would be larger airfoils all the way around, possibly an extension of the longitudinal axis, and a little bigger engines (if they even exist). Because let's face it...I will never be anywhere near 190lbs in the future...people would think I was sick...and I prefer meat with my rabbit food. I have been intrigued by this aircraft since I first saw it, and as with most of these experimental birds...they are designed for short, skinny folks. Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..
                            Keith

                            Sent from my iPad

                            On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:

                             

                            Keith-
                            I see a diet in your future  '-)
                            Mine too. I am 205 and with the MGTOW at 374, I think even at 190 would be pushing it.
                            And certainly you will need to do the add inches to the canopy mod.
                            -Christian
                            --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                            Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                     -a division of-
                            www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                   "We build ideas.."


                            On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Keith M. Gay <keithmgay@...> wrote:
                             

                            Good morning Victor,

                            Just saw your email and was curious...I had given up on this bird as an option for me due to my weight and height (245lbs/6'3" tall). I would be interested, but only if I could ultimately fly the darn thing...can you shed some light on those particular parameters? I am in Savannah Ga. so if you have any shipping quotes that would be helpful...
                            Thank you for your time.
                            Keith

                            Sent from my iPad

                            On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:

                            Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

                            Cri Cri Project - started

                            Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

                            Two Plexiglass Canopies

                            Construction Manual (English)

                                        -General Operations (30 sections)

                                        -Special Operations (8 sections)

                                        -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

                            Flight Manual (English)

                                        -General

                                        -Operating limitations

                                        -Use

                                        -Emergency Procedures

                                        -Performance

                                        -Maintenance

                            Appendix (French)

                            Newsletters (Zenair)

                            Materials collected:

                            2024-T3 Sheet

                                        0.040” (clad)

                                        0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

                            6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                                         -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

                            Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

                             

                            Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                                        Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                                        Frame 4 (partial)

                                        Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                                        Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                                        Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                                        Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

                            Lexan for aft canopy

                            Flaperon Leading Edge form

                            Includes several other building forms


                            I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


                            Thanks,
                            Victor Asp

                            <Aft Fuse.jpg><Canopies.jpg>
                            <Leading Edge.jpg>
                            <Ribs.jpg><Rudder.jpg>



                          • Bill Robison
                            Hi Victor, Did you sell all of the Cri Cri parts? I m still interested in the canopies, if you have them? Bill Robison 1-559-299-3981 ... From: Victor Asp To:
                            Message 13 of 22 , Jul 24 11:46 AM
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                              Hi Victor,
                              Did you sell all of the Cri Cri parts?
                              I'm still interested in the canopies, if you have them?
                              Bill Robison
                              1-559-299-3981
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:02 PM
                              Subject: [CriCri] Cri Cri Project for Sale

                              Located in Seattle Washington  -  $1600

                              Cri Cri Project - started

                              Full set of paper plans (~2’ x 4’ sheets)

                              Two Plexiglass Canopies

                              Construction Manual (English)

                                          -General Operations (30 sections)

                                          -Special Operations (8 sections)

                                          -Ground tests and flight tests (2 sections)

                              Flight Manual (English)

                                          -General

                                          -Operating limitations

                                          -Use

                                          -Emergency Procedures

                                          -Performance

                                          -Maintenance

                              Appendix (French)

                              Newsletters (Zenair)

                              Materials collected:

                              2024-T3 Sheet

                                          0.040” (clad)

                                          0.016” (4’ x 8’), 0.020”, 0.032”, 0.063”, 0.050”, 0.100”, 0.150” (bare)

                              6061   -T6511 “L”-Extrusion (fuselage stringer)

                                           -T6 Tubes (canopy frame)

                              Klegecell: several large sections of 0.25” thick pieces

                              Fabricated Parts or assemblies:

                                          Fuselage Tail section (shell)

                                          Frame 4 (partial)

                                          Wing leading and trailing edge ribs (Klegecell)

                                          Horizontal Stabilizer (waiting for the skin attach)

                                          Vertical Fin (waiting for skin attach)

                                          Rudder (waiting for skin attach)

                              Lexan for aft canopy

                              Flaperon Leading Edge form

                              Includes several other building forms


                              I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.


                              Thanks,
                              Victor Asp

                            • Steve
                              Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one. Steve
                              Message 14 of 22 , Oct 19, 2012
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                                Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one.
                                Steve

                                --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                                >
                                > Cri Cri Project - started
                                >
                                ...
                                > Flaperon Leading Edge form
                                >
                                > Includes several other building forms
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                                >
                                >
                                > Thanks,
                                > Victor Asp
                                >
                              • Christian von Delius
                                Bill Robison had/has(?) one for sale: [i My name is Bill Robison and I m selling my 1984 Cri Cri and I will answer all questions,because it is still for sale
                                Message 15 of 22 , Oct 19, 2012
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                                  Bill Robison had/has(?) one for sale:
                                   
                                  [i My name is Bill Robison and I'm selling my 1984 Cri Cri and  I will answer all questions,because it is still for sale on Barnstormer and airplanemart.
                                  Thanks in advance ,Bill Robison
                                  1-559-299-3981
                                  billsdodgers@...  ]
                                   
                                  You could contact him-He is in California.
                                  -Christian

                                     www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                                  Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                           -a division of-
                                  www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                         "We build ideas.."


                                  On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Steve <spaschke@...> wrote:
                                   

                                  Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one.
                                  Steve



                                  --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                                  >
                                  > Cri Cri Project - started
                                  >
                                  ...
                                  > Flaperon Leading Edge form
                                  >
                                  > Includes several other building forms
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Thanks,
                                  > Victor Asp
                                  >


                                • Bill Robison
                                  Hi Christian, I sold my Cri Cri to a guy in Louisiana. Thanks for your help. Bill ... From: Christian von Delius To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Oct 20, 2012
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                                    Hi Christian,
                                    I sold my Cri Cri to a guy in Louisiana.
                                    Thanks for your help.
                                    Bill
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:16 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [CriCri] Re: Cri Cri Project for Sale

                                     

                                    Bill Robison had/has(?) one for sale:
                                     
                                    [i My name is Bill Robison and I'm selling my 1984 Cri Cri and  I will answer all questions,because it is still for sale on Barnstormer and airplanemart.
                                    Thanks in advance ,Bill Robison
                                    1-559-299-3981
                                    billsdodgers@...  ]
                                     
                                    You could contact him-He is in California.
                                    -Christian

                                       www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                                    Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                             -a division of-
                                    www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                           "We build ideas.."


                                    On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Steve <spaschke@...> wrote:
                                     

                                    Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one.
                                    Steve



                                    --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                                    >
                                    > Cri Cri Project - started
                                    >
                                    ...
                                    > Flaperon Leading Edge form
                                    >
                                    > Includes several other building forms
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Thanks,
                                    > Victor Asp
                                    >


                                  • Victor Asp
                                    The Cri Cri project in Seattle Washington has been sold. I shipped it just last week and it is starting its trip to Germany. I am sure that one day it will
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Oct 20, 2012
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                                      The Cri Cri project in Seattle Washington has been sold.  I shipped it just last week and it is starting its trip to Germany.  I am sure that one day it will fly.

                                      Thanks,
                                      Victor Asp

                                    • Bill Robison
                                      Hi Steve, I m sorry,but I sold my Cri Cri 2 weeks ago. Bill ... From: Steve To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: [CriCri]
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Oct 20, 2012
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                                        Hi Steve,
                                        I'm sorry,but I sold my Cri Cri 2 weeks ago.
                                        Bill
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Steve
                                        Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:12 PM
                                        Subject: [CriCri] Re: Cri Cri Project for Sale

                                         

                                        Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one.
                                        Steve

                                        --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                                        >
                                        > Cri Cri Project - started
                                        >
                                        ...
                                        > Flaperon Leading Edge form
                                        >
                                        > Includes several other building forms
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Thanks,
                                        > Victor Asp
                                        >

                                      • Christian von Delius
                                        Bill & Victor- Congratulations on your sales. Someday I hope to organize a CriCri fly-in somewhere in the US for those who have flying machines or want to
                                        Message 19 of 22 , Oct 20, 2012
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                                          Bill & Victor-
                                          Congratulations on your sales. Someday I hope to organize a CriCri fly-in somewhere in the US for those who have flying
                                          machines or want to learn more about them.
                                          -Christian

                                          --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                                          Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                                   -a division of-
                                          www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                                 "We build ideas.."


                                          On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                                           

                                          The Cri Cri project in Seattle Washington has been sold.  I shipped it just last week and it is starting its trip to Germany.  I am sure that one day it will fly.


                                          Thanks,
                                          Victor Asp


                                        • Bill Robison
                                          Thanks Christian, I hope you will. Bill ... From: Christian von Delius To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: Re:
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Oct 20, 2012
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                                            Thanks Christian,
                                            I hope you will.
                                            Bill
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:33 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [CriCri] Re: Cri Cri Project for Sale

                                             

                                            Bill & Victor-
                                            Congratulations on your sales. Someday I hope to organize a CriCri fly-in somewhere in the US for those who have flying
                                            machines or want to learn more about them.
                                            -Christian

                                            --        www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                                            Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting

                                                     -a division of-
                                            www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                                   "We build ideas.."


                                            On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Victor Asp <victorasp@...> wrote:
                                             

                                            The Cri Cri project in Seattle Washington has been sold.  I shipped it just last week and it is starting its trip to Germany.  I am sure that one day it will fly.


                                            Thanks,
                                            Victor Asp


                                          • Greg Brown
                                            Is your cri-cri for sale still?
                                            Message 21 of 22 , Nov 13, 2012
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                                              Is your cri-cri for sale still?


                                              --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Bill Robison had/has(?) one for sale:
                                              >
                                              > [i My name is Bill Robison and I'm selling my 1984 Cri Cri and I will
                                              > answer all questions,because it is still for sale on Barnstormer and
                                              > airplanemart.
                                              > Thanks in advance ,Bill Robison
                                              > 1-559-299-3981
                                              > billsdodgers@... ]
                                              >
                                              > You could contact him-He is in California.
                                              > -Christian
                                              >
                                              > www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                                              > Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting
                                              >
                                              > -a division of-
                                              > www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                              > "We build ideas.."
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Steve <spaschke@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > > **
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one.
                                              > > Steve
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Victor Asp <victorasp@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Cri Cri Project - started
                                              > > >
                                              > > ...
                                              > > > Flaperon Leading Edge form
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Includes several other building forms
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Thanks,
                                              > > > Victor Asp
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              >
                                            • Bill Robison
                                              I m sorry it is sold. Bill ... From: Greg Brown To: CriCri@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:56 PM Subject: [CriCri] Re: Cri Cri Project for
                                              Message 22 of 22 , Nov 13, 2012
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                                                I'm sorry it is sold.
                                                Bill
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:56 PM
                                                Subject: [CriCri] Re: Cri Cri Project for Sale

                                                 

                                                Is your cri-cri for sale still?

                                                --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Christian von Delius <alpineglobalprivate@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Bill Robison had/has(?) one for sale:
                                                >
                                                > [i My name is Bill Robison and I'm selling my 1984 Cri Cri and I will
                                                > answer all questions,because it is still for sale on Barnstormer and
                                                > airplanemart.
                                                > Thanks in advance ,Bill Robison
                                                > 1-559-299-3981
                                                > billsdodgers@... ]
                                                >
                                                > You could contact him-He is in California.
                                                > -Christian
                                                >
                                                > www.BrilliantDesignOnline.com
                                                > Solidworks Design & CNC Plasma Cutting
                                                >
                                                > -a division of-
                                                > www.AlpineWorldwide.com
                                                > "We build ideas.."
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Steve <spaschke@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > > **
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Have you sold your project yet? I have recently decided to build one.
                                                > > Steve
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In CriCri@yahoogroups.com, Victor Asp <victorasp@> wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Located in Seattle Washington - $1600
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Cri Cri Project - started
                                                > > >
                                                > > ...
                                                > > > Flaperon Leading Edge form
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Includes several other building forms
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I am also looking for someone to take over the Cri Cri list.
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Thanks,
                                                > > > Victor Asp
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                >

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