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  • Chuck
    Mars had to be more than just warmer but it needed a higher atmospheric pressure than today. Some places on Mars get temperatures above the melting point of
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      Mars had to be more than just warmer but it needed a higher atmospheric
      pressure than today. Some places on Mars get temperatures above the melting
      point of water, but pressure is just a little too low for liquid water. The
      best way to explain both a warmer Mars and higher atmospheric pressure is
      massive volcanic and impacts this would put a sufficient amount of material
      in to the atmosphere to raise the pressure to the point where water could
      stay on the surface and the average temperature above the melting point of

      By the way Andesites have been seen to form in last hundred years so its not
      too slow for a Young Earth model.


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      From: CreationTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CreationTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Victor McAllister

      Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 3:21 PM

      To: creationtalk

      Subject: [CreationTalk] Martian Andesite?

      Back in 1997, the Pathfinder craft bounced to a stop on the Martian plains

      of Ares Vallis. The Sojourner rover then drove up to a rock called Barnacle

      Bill that had a grainy surface. Sojourner placed its APXS spectrometer on

      the rock and found a high SiO2 content. Barnacle Bill had the appearance

      and composition of Andesite rocks on Earth. Andesite is named after the

      Andes mountains that are rich in these rocks. Evidently the processes that

      formed the Martian crust were similar to what formed Earth's crust.

      formed by partial melting and crystal fractionalization when molten basalt

      intruded into crustal rocks. Crystals rich in iron and magnesium are

      believed to have formed as the partially melted rocks gradually cooled.*

      Mars' northern plains were evidently once inundated with water. Opportunity

      found concretions that evidently formed slowly in warm, acidic water on the

      plains of Meridiani. Spirit found pure silica powder that formed in a steam

      / hot water spring in the hills inside Gusev crater. Opportunity found

      conglomerates of rocks that solidified in a watery slurry and even veins of

      gypsum deposited under water in the rim of Endeavour crater. It is

      presently examining an outcrop whose signature from orbit suggests it may

      have once been water deposited clay. Yet we also see evidence for

      catastrophes. Both Spirit and Opportunity found nickle-iron meteorites

      lying on the surface. They evidently came from the core of a shattered



      In the left picture, the cat-sized Sojourner sits next to Barnacle Bill,

      evidently an andesite rock. The picture on the right is of a rock

      photographed by the Mars Science Rover on the floor of Gale. The rock has

      split into pieces, evidently fairly recently since the concave areas are

      not filled with the rusty Martian dust. Rocks can split from cycles of

      heating and cooling.* Notice the large light-colored islands in the darker

      rock. Without a spectroscopic analysis, we cannot conclusively say it is

      Andesite, but it is certainly igneous. Large crystals in rocks are evidence

      for slow cooling during partial melts and crystal fractionalization.

      for the photos are to NASA.*

      * *

      *Mars apparently went through various stages in its formation.* At some

      point lots of volcanism. Gale crater has fan-shaped deposits at the end of

      valleys that seem to be ancient stream beds. Yet the rocks encountered so

      far by Curiosity are not rounded pebbles, as though water ran for long

      periods. Today Mars is mostly cold and dry. If liquid water runs on the

      surface today, it would have to be very salty and would sublime rapidly.

      *Is Mars old or young? Like Earth, there is much evidence to suggest it is

      extremely old. A Christian might think, that can't be because God created

      the universe only 6,000 years ago. It is important to realize the Bible

      never says the Earth is young. It uses eon-age words both for mountains and

      for early peoples. According to the Bible, God continued to form the Sun,

      Moon and stars and continued to place them in the spreading place, Hebrew

      raqiya. Evidently, Mars, like Earth, has continued to form.* Martian rocks

      retain a global pattern of magnetic stripes, showing that it once had a

      magnetic field. The stripes run around the entire planet in the southern

      hemisphere. The offsets in the magnetic stripes shift at fault lines as

      though the whole planet has grown in size. If one removes the dark,

      low-lying areas, the cratered highlands fit together on a much smaller

      planet. Palm 136:6 states that the Earth spreads out in unbroken

      continuity. Indeed, Earth's continents also fit together on a much smaller

      planet, without major surface seas as one should expect from a literal

      reading of three biblical passages.



      *What is the geological age of Mars and Earth? Consider the Hebrew words

      for the fourth day. A body that continues to form is continuing to change.

      Orbits that continue to spread apart are by nature accelerating.

      Accelerating relative to what? Certainly not clocks, since we observe in

      galactic history how atomic clocks have accelerated along with the

      spreading star orbits as billions of galaxies intrinsically grew into huge

      growth spirals. How could galactic history fit into only 6,000 years? *Job

      describes, in the dinosaur age, that they lived for geological ages in few

      days as the sea (Hebrew west) dried and their faces deformed before they

      died. Indeed, drill cores of the deep Mediterranean show that it

      repeatedly dried, just like Job stated. We also find the skulls of the

      ancient ones with huge thick brows. If we lived for geological ages, our

      skulls would grow Neanderthal. Our grandchildren would not have the

      Neanderthal skulls, as the fossils show.



      *Why was Mars once a warm, wet planet? It was once much closer to the Sun,

      as also was the Earth. What changed? Everything changes. The Bible plainly

      states that the creation is enslaved to change that is an orderly and a

      together-corruption (Romans 8:19 - 22). *We observe the light signals from

      billions of ancient galaxies that clock minuscule frequencies compared to

      modern atoms. Carefully examine the first law of science, the presumption

      that atoms are perpetual motion engines. Scientists have invented a great

      structure of empirical measuring and mathematicating based on their

      presumption of atomic perpetual motion. Look at the visible universe. We

      see that it is extremely old, exactly as the Bible states. We see that

      orbits always accelerate, exactly as one should expect from the creation




      *Changing Earth Creationists try not to tailor the Bible to fit western

      science. We simply notice that the whole universe is visibly doing what the

      Bible states. The Earth is extremely ancient, yet it evidently has only

      orbited 6,000 times as all orbits continue to accelerate. *Carefully

      examine the arche ktiseous (first law) of the last days that Peter

      predicted. He predicted that mockers will obfuscate the age of the plural

      heavens and the geological history of the twice inundated earth because

      they have a first law, that all things remain the same. Everything physical

      changes, as the Bible states. Think about it.


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