11376RE: [CreationTalk] Re: Biblical Eons
- Oct 29, 2012------ Charles Creager Jr.
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>> You are saying that the Bible as we have it to day has been>> corruptedby Catholics views and that even the meaning of the Greek and Hebrew words
> been likewise corrupted. The result is you can claim you own personalsays
> translation and interpretation of the Bible as what the Bible actually
> even though it disagrees with every other translator of last 2000 years.Not
> that but when I look any Greek or Hebrew text of the Bible I don't seeyour
> personal translation and interpretation popping out as obvious or evendo
> possible. When I then say I don't see it and in fact the Greek and Hebrew
> not say what you claim., then you are not at fault but every one else isWe have the text of the Bible accurately preserved in its original
> because in YOUR VEIW we are looking ar corrupt texts with a corrupt
> understanding of the even the Greek and Hebrew languages them selves.
most cases - although Matthew probably was originally written in Aramaic.
am saying is it is illegitimate for religious tradition to change the
words to fit their religious concepts. E.g. changing the Greek word for eons
(aion) the Greek word used for the Old Testament Hebrew word "olam" to
How do we know what the words meant? We have documents in Greek and Hebrew.
Moses said take 12 stones out of the Jordan and set them up as a memorial
olam. The stones are long gone, they are not in place for eternity, but for
Here is Aristotle's description of the word aion both with respect to the
gods and with respect to mortal men.
It is therefore evident that there is neither space, nor time, nor vacuum
beyond. Wherefore the things there are not adapted by nature to exist in
nor does time make them grow old; neither under the highest (heaven) is
any change of any one of these things, they being placed beyond it; but
unchangeable, passionless - they continue through all aióna. For indeed, the
word itself according to the ancients, divinely expressed this. For the
which comprehends the time of every one's life, beyond which, according to
nature, nothing exists, is called his aión. And for the same reason, the
of the whole heaven even the infinite time of all things, and the period
comprehending that infinity is aión, eternity, deriving its name from aei,
einai, always being, immortal and divine."
With respect to the pagan gods, who unlike the biblical God absolutely could
not change, it was an infinite duration. With respect to mortals, in ancient
times it was used for the duration of a lifetime. The Greek poets agreed
the Bible that the earliest generations lived for vast ages.
What am I saying. Words HAVE MEANING IN THEIR HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
have no right to change the meaning to fit their religious persuasion or
> You are claiming that God not only failed to preserve and transmit his
> to us in the 21st century by that he even allow the understanding varyfrom
> original languages to become corrupt so that even efforts to translate
> an original autograph (if one were available) would produce a corruptand
> translation. You would then have us believe the God came to you one day
> gave and only the key to undoing corruption. As a result we are suppose toyou
> bow the knee of our intellect to you despite the fact that every other
> source including the Bible I grew up on the KJV says you are wrong. What
> are claiming much like that of a cult leader.I am not wise. I am not introducing some new teaching. I am not corrupting
word. I advocate accepting the biblical words as they meant when they were
written. The message I have is we must not tailor the Bible to fit the
system. The western system is mindset. When I was a child, my mind was
into a mold by my schooling. (BTW, schooling is not usually to teach one to
think freely, but to think within the mindset of the society one is raised
I did not even know that my mind was incarcerated until I read the biblical
warning about the dangers of the elementary ideas of philosophy (Col 2:8). I
realized that the western system was contrived by well meaning Christians
who adjusted the Bible to fit the philosophy of the pagan Greeks. They
thought that philosophy could be the handmaiden to the Bible, bringing
> What is at the hart of the issue is not what the first principle of
> is or what Augustine or Friar Thomas said but do we have a faithful,I beg you to read the original text. Don't read the traditions of men.
> accurate authoritative copy of the word of God.
The issues Creationist (both young and old earthers) has a simple, literal
answer in the original languages. In fact, the age of the universe is
the most powerful evidence for a literal creation, since we see the vast
back to the creation age and we SEE exactly what the literal text states.
However, we must stop tailoring our interpretations to fit the false first
of the last days.
I challenge you to look up at the galaxies - which in our age you can do
a telscopoe - sinc e we taxpayers have access to the photos we pay for with
Hubble and hopefully someday the James Webb.
Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars,
One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because
the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is
Here is a double imperative - look up and see! God expects us to see the
evidence for what He does in the sky. He created something - a verbally
completed action. The next verb is a hiphil participle to cause to go, to
out, bring out, lead out. Hiphil expresses the causative action and the
participle shows an action in its unbroken continuity. He expects us to see
something coming out as he continues to call to his starry army in the sky.
Because of the strength of His power, none of the stars fails. (What we see
galactic history is that orbits accelerate outward as matter keeps on
its clock frequencies and the space it takes up as stars continue to form
things that do not appear. What we see is the evidence that God will make
foolish the scientists. Man cannot find Him through humanistic wisdom. Yet
evidence for His creation is simple and visible.
Changing Earth Creationist are not a new cult. We preach that people should
accept the literal words of the Bible as they were written (verbal, plenary
authority) and not tailor the text to fit the modern mindset of scientists
reason with the very first law the Bible predicted for the last days. Of
when we bring down the great fortress of speculative reasoning raised up
the knowledge of God (science - 2 cor 10:3 -6) it will probably bring on
persecution. But we will bring great glory to our Creator when we use HIS
LITERAL WORDS as weapons of war, not keep on adjusting the meaning to fit
latest scientific theory as has been going on for some centuries now.
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