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  • Aura Mos
    Hello Ed, I am still a new user of PopFile, but FWIW this is what I have been experimented with: In the junkyard filter first comes the rule for the white list
    Message 1 of 6 , Dec 1, 2003
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      Hello Ed,

      I am still a new user of PopFile, but FWIW this is what I have been experimented with:
      In the junkyard filter first comes the rule for the white list (Checked: Perform action if sender's address is in my address book - operator ONLY - checked: Switch to filter <name of your general sorting filter>).
      In the second place of the junkyard filter is the X-Text-Classification rule. This configuration achieves what you want (it sends all messages from someone in the white list into the appopriate folders). But what if a whitelisted message is marked by PopFile as spam? Then I suppose this message won't be filtered into the junkyard folder and you will have to check manually if it is correctly classified by PopFile - rather a tedious job. A solution would be to place the X-Text-Classification rule ALSO in the first place of your general sorting filter, but this would mean that all messages, even those from members of your white list, would go through this rule, which is something you don't seem to want to happen.

      Personally I don't know if it is a good idea to rely too heavily on a white list if you want to avoid spam. I have often received spam which masquerades under an address in my address book. What is the opinion of other more experienced users?

      Best regards,

      Aura


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      On 30/11/2003 at 22:55 Ed Pulliam wrote:

      >Hello all,

      The recent messages re. Popfile finally pushed me over the
      >edge. I
      downloaded it, installed it, and I've trained it about 50
      >messages worth.
      It was at 85% after ten messages, so I am impressed as
      >hell!

      Now, I need to set up Courier filters. I want to exclude from
      >filtering a
      whitelist (any "from" address in my address book). Then I
      >want to send any
      message with
      X-Text-Classification: spam in the message
      >header to the junkyard folder.
      I want to do this through the base junkyard
      >filter.

      I thought I knew how to do that, but it isn't
      >working.

      HELP!


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    • Tommy Evans
      Here s how my junkyard filter looks using POPFile. I first look to see if the sender s address is in my address book and, if so, quit filtering. (Filter 2 is
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        Here's how my junkyard filter looks using POPFile. I first look to see if the sender's address is in my address book and, if so, quit filtering.

        (Filter 2 is for those messages where they put ME as the from)

        Selected as JunkYard filter
        Display Filter Rule dialog when adding: Yes

        Filter Rule 1: *** Base JunkYard Filter Rule ***
        Case: Off
        Pattern within object: Off
        Objects: From
        Action: Move to folder: 'Junkyard'
        Delete from mail server
        Mark as read
        Assign color marker: 'Spam'
        Strip HTML

        Filter Rule 2:
        Created: 9/10/2003 12:26 AM
        Last Hit: 10/16/2003 3:44 PM
        Hits: 108
        Mode: Incoming
        Case: Off
        Pattern 1: viagra
        Objects: Subject
        RegExp: Off
        Action: [Using base rule actions]

        Filter Rule 3:
        Created: 7/11/2003 10:48 AM
        Last Hit: 12/1/2003 7:45 AM
        Hits: 2057
        Mode: Incoming
        Case: Off
        Pattern 1: [Sender's Address]
        Objects: [Address Book]
        RegExp: Off
        Action: Delete from mail server
        Assign color marker: 'Personal'
        Switch to filter 'Home'

        Filter Rule 4:
        Created: 7/2/2003 12:35 AM
        Last Hit: 12/1/2003 7:45 AM
        Hits: 24396
        Mode: Incoming
        Case: Off
        Pattern 1: X-Text-Classification: spam
        Objects: Message header
        RegExp: Off
        Action: [Using base rule actions]


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        On 11/30/2003 at 10:55 PM Ed Pulliam <pulliam@...> wrote:

        >Hello all,
        >
        >The recent messages re. Popfile finally pushed me over the edge. I
        >downloaded it, installed it, and I've trained it about 50 messages worth.
        >It was at 85% after ten messages, so I am impressed as hell!
        >
        >Now, I need to set up Courier filters. I want to exclude from filtering a
        >whitelist (any "from" address in my address book). Then I want to send any
        >message with
        >X-Text-Classification: spam in the message header to the junkyard folder.
        >I want to do this through the base junkyard filter.
        >
        >I thought I knew how to do that, but it isn't working.
        >
        >HELP!
        >
        >
        >-- Ed L. Pulliam
        > Home of OUI, The Offline Usenet Interface, a superb news group reader
        > and other software for home and small office/home office, as well as Web
        >Design and Web Hosting
        > pulliam@... www.ouisoft.com
        >
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      • William H Reiter
        Here is my simple filter that works for PopFile and K-9 Filter Rule 1: Created: 8/20/2003 4:16 PM Last Hit: 11/15/2003
        Message 3 of 6 , Dec 1, 2003
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          Here is my simple filter that works for PopFile and K-9

          Filter Rule 1:
          Created: 8/20/2003 4:16 PM
          Last Hit: 11/15/2003 1:40 PM
          Hits: 329
          Mode: Incoming
          Case: Off
          Pattern 1: X-Text-Classification: spam
          Objects: Message header
          RegExp: Off
          Action: Move to folder: 'Spam'
          Delete from mail server
          Continue filtering

          Filter Rule 2:
          Created: 9/8/2003 9:01 AM
          Last Hit: 12/1/2003 9:15 AM
          Hits: 3671
          Mode: Incoming
          Case: Off
          Pattern 1: *
          Objects: From
          RegExp: Off
          Action: Save attachment(s) in 'C:\Program Files\Courier Email\Attachments'
          Continue filtering
        • David
          Ed, I have a setup similar to Aura s description. I use the junkyard filter first and the first rule in this filter is to switch all whitelist emails to my
          Message 4 of 6 , Dec 1, 2003
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            Ed,

            I have a setup similar to Aura's description. I use the junkyard filter first and the first rule in this filter is to switch all whitelist emails to my general sorting filter. The second rule is to send all mail classified as spam by Popfile into the junkyard. The third rule is to switch all mail not on my whitelist to the same general sorting filter. I suppose I could write this rule to switch all mail from any sender (*) to the general sorting filter.

            The general sorting filter includes all the rules that I would normally use if this were a spam free world, such as sorting mail into appropriate folders and putting attachments into my designated folder (directory). One thing I do add up front for convenience is a rule to add a color marker to mail that is on my white list and has been classified by PopFile as spam. This way I can easily spot mail that PopFile has mis-classified and can train accordingly.

            I find this method works very well. It ensures that mail from senders on my white list never get discarded, while properly handling and sorting all other mail. I find that PopFile is so accurate (after training of course) that the occasional spoofed email address that matches my whitelist is really not a problem and I have the extra precaution ensuring whitelist mail is never put in the junkyard.



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            >>On 12/1/2003 at 12:11 PM Aura Mos wrote:
            >Hello Ed,
            >
            >I am still a new user of PopFile, but FWIW this is what I have been
            >experimented with:
            >In the junkyard filter first comes the rule for the white list (Checked:
            >Perform action if sender's address is in my address book - operator ONLY -
            >checked: Switch to filter <name of your general sorting filter>).
            >In the second place of the junkyard filter is the X-Text-Classification
            >rule. This configuration achieves what you want (it sends all messages
            >from someone in the white list into the appopriate folders). But what if a
            >whitelisted message is marked by PopFile as spam? Then I suppose this
            >message won't be filtered into the junkyard folder and you will have to
            >check manually if it is correctly classified by PopFile - rather a tedious
            >job. A solution would be to place the X-Text-Classification rule ALSO in
            >the first place of your general sorting filter, but this would mean that
            >all messages, even those from members of your white list, would go through
            >this rule, which is something you don't seem to want to happen.
            >
            >Personally I don't know if it is a good idea to rely too heavily on a
            >white list if you want to avoid spam. I have often received spam which
            >masquerades under an address in my address book. What is the opinion of
            >other more experienced users?
            >
            >Best regards,
            >
            >Aura
            >
            >
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            >
            >On 30/11/2003 at 22:55 Ed Pulliam wrote:
            >
            >>Hello all,
            >
            >The recent messages re. Popfile finally pushed me over the
            >>edge. I
            >downloaded it, installed it, and I've trained it about 50
            >>messages worth.
            >It was at 85% after ten messages, so I am impressed as
            >>hell!
            >
            >Now, I need to set up Courier filters. I want to exclude from
            >>filtering a
            >whitelist (any "from" address in my address book). Then I
            >>want to send any
            >message with
            >X-Text-Classification: spam in the message
            >>header to the junkyard folder.
            >I want to do this through the base junkyard
            >>filter.
            >
            >I thought I knew how to do that, but it isn't
            >>working.
            >
            >HELP!
          • Aura Mos
            David, Simple and brilliant! It answers my question perfectly. Thanks. ... -- Best regards, Aura mailto:morgandina@fastmail.fm
            Message 5 of 6 , Dec 1, 2003
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              David,

              Simple and brilliant! It answers my question perfectly. Thanks.



              Monday, December 1, 2003, 5:05:21 PM, you wrote:

              > One thing I do add up front for convenience is a rule to add a
              > color marker to mail that is on my white list and has been
              > classified by PopFile as spam. This
              > way I can easily spot mail that PopFile has mis-classified and can train accordingly.


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              Best regards,
              Aura mailto:morgandina@...
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