- I find it very curious that everyone believes in something - and tends to think the other side is foolish to believe what they believe. Usually I think I amMessage 1 of 5 , Aug 31, 2005View SourceI find it very curious that everyone believes in something - and tends
to think the other side is foolish to believe what they believe. Usually
I think I am being rational, and everyone else is being illogical. I
assume the other side feels the same.
Notice that I said believe. Not evidence, not proof - belief. For
example, many people want to move to Costa Rica because they believe
that they will have a better life here. For some people it is true -for
others it is not. Only time will tell. I believed we would do well in
Costa Rica, and so far I have been right. Who knows what the future holds?
Does B1 save you from dengue? Some people believe this enough to risk
their life taking only B1 and not using DEET because they believe that
DEET is likely to cause them cancer.
Others believe catnip is the solution, and others pure water with trace
compounds. Others believe DEET will be effective and they believe that
the studies are not flawed. Others believe that the studies are flawed
because they are corrupted by powerful interest groups.
Usually these threads are not about evidence, but about belief - which
means we are probably arguing about religion again.... ;-)
I suspect there are a few Ticos who would tell us that we are all wet.
Todays mission for those who wish to accept it - find out what your
friends who are Ticos recommend to protect against dengue. This should
- ... One of the great papers I found in preparing the manuscript for a book... The human has one little piece of the DNA chain that predisposes the human beingMessage 2 of 5 , Aug 31, 2005View Source--- In CostaRicaLiving@yahoogroups.com, Fred Morgan <fmorgan@f...>
> I find it very curious that everyone believes in somethingOne of the great papers I found in preparing the manuscript for a
The human has one little piece of the DNA chain that predisposes the
human being to faith...
So in a chemical sense, within the human body - we all have a need
it's only a question of what!
Then, there's the school of thought that says beliefs can cure
disease - but that gets into spiritual belief systems.
I know someone who believes that they will get dengue... and does,
on a regular basis - at least as far as symptoms go. Far more often
than any other human around here.
- Wasn t it Norman Cousins who wrote a book about the his belief that by avoiding anything that upset him and being happy and laughing as much as possible wasMessage 3 of 5 , Aug 31, 2005View SourceWasn't it Norman Cousins who wrote a book about the his belief that by avoiding anything that upset him and being happy and laughing as much as possible was the reason he was cured of cancer?
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- Hi Barry, You say that The human has one little piece of the DNA chain that predisposes the human being to faith... So in a chemical sense, within the humanMessage 4 of 5 , Sep 1, 2005View SourceHi Barry,
You say that "The human has one little piece of the DNA chain that
human being to faith...
"So in a chemical sense, within the human body - we all have a need
"it's only a question of what!"
This is a fascinating claim that raises huge questions about the difference
between the scientific method and faith. Do you have any scientific support
for your claim? Has a specific gene been found that is causal to faith in
the human being?
To my knowledge no source for human faith has been found. Yet as a health
scientist, I find examples of the results of faith everywhere in scientific
data. The Placebo Effect relies on apparently unattended faith, and abounds
in clinical trials of all kinds of medicines. Only in the last few years is
the Placebo Effect being studied in and of itself, to the point that it is
being realized that it is greater among some kinds of medicines than
others, and that it is often a powerful force.
Because I am a person of faith, I read the scientific literature carefully.
So far the questions of how it works have not been answered beyond simple
statements of faith itself. Intelligent Design, for example, is a statement
of faith rather than a scientific theory. Homeopathy is an example of the
Placebo Effect at work, according to a recent research study, which claims
that at least the homeopathic treatments studied result in responses no
different than those found in placebos.
Some people, whether because of faith or some other reason, respond to
placebos, and as a result swear by them. Any well executed clinical trial
of Vitamin B1 as a mosquito repellent will find some cases where it seems
to work. But so will trials of other substances equally ineffective. Go figure.
Good science is not inimical to good faith. It just moves slowly. It needs
to develop vocabularies of faith to explain phenomena which could be
squeezed into the placebo effect, but which deserve better, such as the
remarkable recovery from cancer of Norm Cousins through humor, and the
longevity of Jay Goulding 20 years beyond his expected life span apparently
through scientific reasoning.
So as far as I know, the Placebo Force remains unexplained and
unidentified, as are the results of all other forms of faith. But they seem
to work in my life, so I just trudge the road of happy destiny and remember
that some things belong to science, and some things are purely products of
my faith, which can be scientifically studied, but which will undoubtedly
remain a mystery of life in spite of all my earnest but puny attempts to
rise above the human condition and explain them. I am constantly being
reminded to stop analyzing and just accept, when it comes to matters of
faith. When I do that, things seem to be better :)
So whether anyone has found a bit of DNA that determines faith, if such
exists, is immaterial to the way I live my life. It remains only an
interesting scientific question.
- ... First, I honor and respect anyone who lives by faith. That s why I ve been delaying for several years the completion of a book my agent wants very badlyMessage 5 of 5 , Sep 1, 2005View Source--- In CostaRicaLiving@yahoogroups.com, John French
> piece of DNA chain thatFirst, I honor and respect anyone who lives by faith. That's why
> predisposes the
> human being to faith...
> This is a fascinating claim ... the difference
> between the scientific method and faith.
> (what's your source?)
I've been delaying for several years the completion of a book my
agent wants very badly for me to finish... because to publish the
book will have the appearance of challenging faith, and I have no
desire to do that. My own work shows that faith is as necessary to
the human being as are air, food, and water.
Second, this is off-topic and in the "banned" list of topics on this
discussion group. I responded off-handedly to another post, without
regard to the path the discussion could follow.
So let me say this: Since you asked your question publicly, I'll
answer your question publicly by citing the references from which it
came. Then, if you wish to continue the discussion, I'd be delighted
to do so, offline, either by email or by phone.
The first reference came from a faith-based group studying the links
among religion, evolution, and science. The first reference, by
publication name, with a title and abstract:
Genetic Faith Science & Theology News
By Julia C. Keller
(May 2, 2005)
Twin (City) researchers find genetic roots of religiousness.
Scientists in Minnesota studying twins maintain that there is a
strong correlation between genetics and religious faith.
Although the families in which people grow up influence how
religious they become, genetic predispositions to religiousness or
spirituality become more apparent when children leave those
environmental influences behind to start their own lives. Laura
Koenig, the lead author of the study published in the April issue of
the Journal of Personality, said, like all behavioral geneticists,
she was trying to uncover the origins of behavior and how to explain
the differences among people.
A second reference, which came strictly from the scientific side of
the house - the Dean of Aerospace Engineering at Princeton. His
work, corroborated by other scientists, leads one to the inescapable
conclusion that... well, you can follow the papers yourself at