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  • john gill
    As a British/ Canadian living in England i can confirm what you are saying ________________________________ From: Martyn Painter
    Message 1 of 9 , Aug 22, 2009
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      As a British/ Canadian living in England i can confirm what you are saying


      From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
      To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 19:23:36
      Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE



      I think if you actually ask someone in Canada or the UK or Europe you will find these lines are no longer than those in the US.  Their systems are just as quick and just as professional only they don’t cost you your house.

       

       

       

      From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpl632
      Sent: 22 August 2009 19:14
      To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

       

       

      You may ned to start paying attention as to WAITING LINES IN CANADA, and elsewhere.

      --- In Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com, "Martyn Painter" <martyn.painter@...> wrote:

      >
      > Give it a chance, let those who cannot afford treatment or ins have a
      chance
      > for help. World pretty well in Canada and UK, nobody goes without,
      everyone
      > see's the doctor they need when they need it and medication does not
      > bankrupt you.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com]
      On Behalf Of lassy_1972
      > Sent: 11 August 2009 20:01
      > To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit
      > > books of all employers that self insure!!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE
      > > that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS
      > > RATIONED!!!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will
      > > choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL
      > > non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to
      > > individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be
      > > issued!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access
      > > to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees
      > > and their families in Unions & community organizations:
      > > (ACORN).
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages
      > > for private HC plans in the Exchange.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit
      > > Levels for Plans (Rationed Healthcare)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic
      > > appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e.,
      > > ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC
      > > plan.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels
      > > for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be
      > > rationed.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals
      > > will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price
      > > fixing. (No judicial review allowed)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical
      > > Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make!
      > > (salary)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees
      > > into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part
      > > time employees AND their families.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k &
      > > above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all
      > > payroll.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k
      > > & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6%
      > > tax on all payroll.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have
      > > acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of
      > > income.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt
      > > from individual taxes. (Americans will PAY)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin
      > > (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal
      > > records.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this
      > > section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says
      > > that!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician
      > > services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are
      > > affected.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what
      > > specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time,
      > > profession, judgment etc.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls
      > > productivity for private HC industries.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental &
      > > purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS-
      > > Cancer patients - (Rationing)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for
      > > whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during
      > > initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will
      > > penalize you.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt
      > > tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion-
      > > Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for
      > > exception BUT community input is required. (ACORN again)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of
      > > outcome based measures. (Rationing)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify
      > > Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt
      > > plan.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special
      > > needs people! Unbelievable!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy -
      > > Tele-health Advisory Committee. (Healthcare by phone)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning
      > > Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult
      > > regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
      > > Mandatory!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved
      > > list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
      > > (assisted suicide)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for
      > > end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning
      > > consultant" will be used frequently as patients health
      > > deteriorates.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care
      > > consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life
      > > plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors
      > > can write an end of life order.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of
      > > treatment you will have at end of life!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non
      > > profit organizations. (ACORN Medical Services???)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED
      > > ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based
      > > organization. (ACORN?)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage &
      > > Family therapy. (Govt into your marriage????)
      > >
      > >
      > > Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services
      > > including defining, creating, rationing those services.
      > >
      > Page 425 of Health Care BILL - it says in black and white
      > > that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior
      > > Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling
      > > every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
      > > suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied
      > > based on age. The only way for that to happen is to
      > > drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will
      > > be cut first. Paying for your own care
      > > will not be an option. Perhaps you could go
      > > to Canada or England to buy some care at one of their pay
      > > all facilities.
      > >
      >




    • Martyn Painter
      I can confirm it as well, I live in the UK and I have a serious medical condition and I get wonderful service and pay nothing extra on top of my usual
      Message 2 of 9 , Aug 22, 2009
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        I can confirm it as well, I live in the UK and I have a serious medical condition and I get wonderful service and pay nothing extra on top of my usual contributions.  I run an online support group for people around the world with my condition and the difference between the UK and US are striking.  While I get the treatment I need when I need it, others with the same problems have to work out how they can raise the money needed to pay before they can consider it.  I am about to have a pacemaker fitted, it will cost nothing at the time it is put in, my friends who have had pacemakers and medical insurance have had to find $30,000+ for the same op in the US.  I need 20 pills a day and they cost nothing, people in the US have to buy generic drugs from Walmart which do not work as well because of the cost, how can that be right, why should I get the best and the US only gives the best to those who can afford it.

         

         

         

        From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john gill
        Sent: 22 August 2009 21:22
        To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

         

         

        As a British/ Canadian living in England i can confirm what you are saying

         


        From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
        To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 19:23:36
        Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE


        I think if you actually ask someone in Canada or the UK or Europe you will find these lines are no longer than those in the US.  Their systems are just as quick and just as professional only they don’t cost you your house.

         

         

         

        From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpl632
        Sent: 22 August 2009 19:14
        To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

         

         

        You may ned to start paying attention as to WAITING LINES IN CANADA, and elsewhere.

        --- In Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com, "Martyn Painter" <martyn.painter@...> wrote:

        >
        > Give it a chance, let those who cannot afford treatment or ins have a
        chance
        > for help. World pretty well in Canada and UK, nobody goes without,
        everyone
        > see's the doctor they need when they need it and medication does not
        > bankrupt you.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
        > [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com]
        On Behalf Of lassy_1972
        > Sent: 11 August 2009 20:01
        > To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit
        > > books of all employers that self insure!!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE
        > > that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS
        > > RATIONED!!!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will
        > > choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL
        > > non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to
        > > individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be
        > > issued!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access
        > > to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees
        > > and their families in Unions & community organizations:
        > > (ACORN).
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages
        > > for private HC plans in the Exchange.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit
        > > Levels for Plans (Rationed Healthcare)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic
        > > appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e.,
        > > ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC
        > > plan.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels
        > > for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be
        > > rationed.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals
        > > will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price
        > > fixing. (No judicial review allowed)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical
        > > Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make!
        > > (salary)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees
        > > into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part
        > > time employees AND their families.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k &
        > > above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all
        > > payroll.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k
        > > & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6%
        > > tax on all payroll.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have
        > > acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of
        > > income.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt
        > > from individual taxes. (Americans will PAY)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin
        > > (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal
        > > records.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this
        > > section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says
        > > that!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician
        > > services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are
        > > affected.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what
        > > specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time,
        > > profession, judgment etc.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls
        > > productivity for private HC industries.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental &
        > > purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS-
        > > Cancer patients - (Rationing)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for
        > > whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during
        > > initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will
        > > penalize you.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt
        > > tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion-
        > > Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for
        > > exception BUT community input is required. (ACORN again)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of
        > > outcome based measures. (Rationing)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify
        > > Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt
        > > plan.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special
        > > needs people! Unbelievable!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy -
        > > Tele-health Advisory Committee. (Healthcare by phone)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning
        > > Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult
        > > regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
        > > Mandatory!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved
        > > list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
        > > (assisted suicide)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for
        > > end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning
        > > consultant" will be used frequently as patients health
        > > deteriorates.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care
        > > consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life
        > > plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors
        > > can write an end of life order.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of
        > > treatment you will have at end of life!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non
        > > profit organizations. (ACORN Medical Services???)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED
        > > ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based
        > > organization. (ACORN?)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage &
        > > Family therapy. (Govt into your marriage????)
        > >
        > >
        > > Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services
        > > including defining, creating, rationing those services.
        > >
        > Page 425 of Health Care BILL - it says in black and white
        > > that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior
        > > Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling
        > > every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
        > > suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied
        > > based on age. The only way for that to happen is to
        > > drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will
        > > be cut first. Paying for your own care
        > > will not be an option. Perhaps you could go
        > > to Canada or England to buy some care at one of their pay
        > > all facilities.
        > >
        >

         

         

      • john gill
        The only thing i can say here is in my dads case who is 89 and lives in Atlanta he is insured and has some serious medical conditions but he is treated very
        Message 3 of 9 , Aug 22, 2009
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          The only thing i can say here is in my dads case who is 89 and lives in Atlanta he is insured and has some serious medical conditions but he is treated very well, in the U.K. you can be untreatable because of cost in large parts of the country,I my self like you have a heart condition and also take about 13 pills a day but i am starting to get a little worried about this lottery system that seems to be appearing in the U.K.


          From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
          To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 21:41:11
          Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE



          I can confirm it as well, I live in the UK and I have a serious medical condition and I get wonderful service and pay nothing extra on top of my usual contributions.  I run an online support group for people around the world with my condition and the difference between the UK and US are striking.  While I get the treatment I need when I need it, others with the same problems have to work out how they can raise the money needed to pay before they can consider it.  I am about to have a pacemaker fitted, it will cost nothing at the time it is put in, my friends who have had pacemakers and medical insurance have had to find $30,000+ for the same op in the US.  I need 20 pills a day and they cost nothing, people in the US have to buy generic drugs from Walmart which do not work as well because of the cost, how can that be right, why should I get the best and the US only gives the best to those who can afford it.

           

           

           

          From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john gill
          Sent: 22 August 2009 21:22
          To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

           

           

          As a British/ Canadian living in England i can confirm what you are saying

           


          From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
          To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 19:23:36
          Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE


          I think if you actually ask someone in Canada or the UK or Europe you will find these lines are no longer than those in the US.  Their systems are just as quick and just as professional only they don’t cost you your house.

           

           

           

          From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpl632
          Sent: 22 August 2009 19:14
          To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

           

           

          You may ned to start paying attention as to WAITING LINES IN CANADA, and elsewhere.

          --- In Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com, "Martyn Painter" <martyn.painter@...> wrote:
          >
          > Give it a chance, let those who cannot afford treatment or ins have a chance
          > for help. World pretty well in Canada and UK, nobody goes without, everyone
          > see's the doctor they need when they need it and medication does not
          > bankrupt you.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
          > [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lassy_1972
          > Sent: 11 August 2009 20:01
          > To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit
          > > books of all employers that self insure!!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE
          > > that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS
          > > RATIONED!!!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will
          > > choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL
          > > non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to
          > > individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be
          > > issued!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access
          > > to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees
          > > and their families in Unions & community organizations:
          > > (ACORN).
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages
          > > for private HC plans in the Exchange.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit
          > > Levels for Plans (Rationed Healthcare)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic
          > > appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e.,
          > > ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC
          > > plan.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels
          > > for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be
          > > rationed.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals
          > > will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price
          > > fixing. (No judicial review allowed)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical
          > > Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make!
          > > (salary)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees
          > > into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part
          > > time employees AND their families.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k &
          > > above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all
          > > payroll.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k
          > > & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6%
          > > tax on all payroll.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have
          > > acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of
          > > income.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt
          > > from individual taxes. (Americans will PAY)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin
          > > (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal
          > > records.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this
          > > section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says
          > > that!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician
          > > services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are
          > > affected.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what
          > > specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time,
          > > profession, judgment etc.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls
          > > productivity for private HC industries.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental &
          > > purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS-
          > > Cancer patients - (Rationing)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for
          > > whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during
          > > initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will
          > > penalize you.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt
          > > tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion-
          > > Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for
          > > exception BUT community input is required. (ACORN again)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of
          > > outcome based measures. (Rationing)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify
          > > Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt
          > > plan.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special
          > > needs people! Unbelievable!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy -
          > > Tele-health Advisory Committee. (Healthcare by phone)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning
          > > Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult
          > > regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
          > > Mandatory!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved
          > > list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
          > > (assisted suicide)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for
          > > end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning
          > > consultant" will be used frequently as patients health
          > > deteriorates.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care
          > > consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life
          > > plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors
          > > can write an end of life order.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of
          > > treatment you will have at end of life!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non
          > > profit organizations. (ACORN Medical Services???)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED
          > > ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based
          > > organization. (ACORN?)
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage &
          > > Family therapy. (Govt into your marriage????)
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services
          > > including defining, creating, rationing those services.
          > >
          > Page 425 of Health Care BILL - it says in black and white
          > > that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior
          > > Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling
          > > every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
          > > suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied
          > > based on age. The only way for that to happen is to
          > > drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will
          > > be cut first. Paying for your own care
          > > will not be an option. Perhaps you could go
          > > to Canada or England to buy some care at one of their pay
          > > all facilities.
          > >
          >

           

           




        • Martyn Painter
          We have one of the best heart care systems in the world, I have doctors in Sussex and Middlesex and get fantastic treatment. My Grandmother is 91 and has just
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 22, 2009
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            We have one of the best heart care systems in the world, I have doctors in Sussex and Middlesex and get fantastic treatment.  My Grandmother is 91 and has just been offered a place in hospital for an operation to sort out a problem she has.  There are certainly problems in the system but it’s available to all and that has to be better and the current US system.

             

             

             

            From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john gill
            Sent: 22 August 2009 22:08
            To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

             

             

            The only thing i can say here is in my dads case who is 89 and lives in Atlanta he is insured and has some serious medical conditions but he is treated very well, in the U.K. you can be untreatable because of cost in large parts of the country,I my self like you have a heart condition and also take about 13 pills a day but i am starting to get a little worried about this lottery system that seems to be appearing in the U.K.

             


            From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
            To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 21:41:11
            Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE


            I can confirm it as well, I live in the UK and I have a serious medical condition and I get wonderful service and pay nothing extra on top of my usual contributions.  I run an online support group for people around the world with my condition and the difference between the UK and US are striking.  While I get the treatment I need when I need it, others with the same problems have to work out how they can raise the money needed to pay before they can consider it.  I am about to have a pacemaker fitted, it will cost nothing at the time it is put in, my friends who have had pacemakers and medical insurance have had to find $30,000+ for the same op in the US.  I need 20 pills a day and they cost nothing, people in the US have to buy generic drugs from Walmart which do not work as well because of the cost, how can that be right, why should I get the best and the US only gives the best to those who can afford it.

             

             

             

            From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john gill
            Sent: 22 August 2009 21:22
            To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

             

             

            As a British/ Canadian living in England i can confirm what you are saying

             


            From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
            To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 19:23:36
            Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

            I think if you actually ask someone in Canada or the UK or Europe you will find these lines are no longer than those in the US.  Their systems are just as quick and just as professional only they don’t cost you your house.

             

             

             

            From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpl632
            Sent: 22 August 2009 19:14
            To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

             

             

            You may ned to start paying attention as to WAITING LINES IN CANADA, and elsewhere.

            --- In Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com, "Martyn Painter" <martyn.painter@...> wrote:

            >
            > Give it a chance, let those who cannot afford treatment or ins have a
            chance
            > for help. World pretty well in Canada and UK, nobody goes without,
            everyone
            > see's the doctor they need when they need it and medication does not
            > bankrupt you.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            > [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com]
            On Behalf Of lassy_1972
            > Sent: 11 August 2009 20:01
            > To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit
            > > books of all employers that self insure!!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE
            > > that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS
            > > RATIONED!!!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will
            > > choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL
            > > non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to
            > > individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be
            > > issued!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access
            > > to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees
            > > and their families in Unions & community organizations:
            > > (ACORN).
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages
            > > for private HC plans in the Exchange.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit
            > > Levels for Plans (Rationed Healthcare)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic
            > > appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e.,
            > > ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC
            > > plan.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels
            > > for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be
            > > rationed.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals
            > > will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price
            > > fixing. (No judicial review allowed)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical
            > > Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make!
            > > (salary)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees
            > > into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part
            > > time employees AND their families.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k &
            > > above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all
            > > payroll.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k
            > > & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6%
            > > tax on all payroll.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have
            > > acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of
            > > income.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt
            > > from individual taxes. (Americans will PAY)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin
            > > (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal
            > > records.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this
            > > section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says
            > > that!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician
            > > services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are
            > > affected.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what
            > > specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time,
            > > profession, judgment etc.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls
            > > productivity for private HC industries.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental &
            > > purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS-
            > > Cancer patients - (Rationing)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for
            > > whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during
            > > initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will
            > > penalize you.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt
            > > tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion-
            > > Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for
            > > exception BUT community input is required. (ACORN again)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of
            > > outcome based measures. (Rationing)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify
            > > Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt
            > > plan.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special
            > > needs people! Unbelievable!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy -
            > > Tele-health Advisory Committee. (Healthcare by phone)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning
            > > Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult
            > > regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
            > > Mandatory!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved
            > > list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
            > > (assisted suicide)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for
            > > end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning
            > > consultant" will be used frequently as patients health
            > > deteriorates.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care
            > > consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life
            > > plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors
            > > can write an end of life order.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of
            > > treatment you will have at end of life!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non
            > > profit organizations. (ACORN Medical Services???)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED
            > > ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based
            > > organization. (ACORN?)
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage &
            > > Family therapy. (Govt into your marriage????)
            > >
            > >
            > > Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services
            > > including defining, creating, rationing those services.
            > >
            > Page 425 of Health Care BILL - it says in black and white
            > > that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior
            > > Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling
            > > every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
            > > suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied
            > > based on age. The only way for that to happen is to
            > > drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will
            > > be cut first. Paying for your own care
            > > will not be an option. Perhaps you could go
            > > to Canada or England to buy some care at one of their pay
            > > all facilities.
            > >
            >

             

             

             

             

          • john gill
            I think its all down to where you live in the U.K. Have you been to Cuba now there health and education is second to none they are the last true socialist
            Message 5 of 9 , Aug 22, 2009
            • 0 Attachment
              I think its all down to where you live in the U.K. Have you been to Cuba now there health and education is second to none they are the last true socialist state


              From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
              To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 22:21:37
              Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE



              We have one of the best heart care systems in the world, I have doctors in Sussex and Middlesex and get fantastic treatment.  My Grandmother is 91 and has just been offered a place in hospital for an operation to sort out a problem she has.  There are certainly problems in the system but it’s available to all and that has to be better and the current US system.

               

               

               

              From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john gill
              Sent: 22 August 2009 22:08
              To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

               

               

              The only thing i can say here is in my dads case who is 89 and lives in Atlanta he is insured and has some serious medical conditions but he is treated very well, in the U.K. you can be untreatable because of cost in large parts of the country,I my self like you have a heart condition and also take about 13 pills a day but i am starting to get a little worried about this lottery system that seems to be appearing in the U.K.

               


              From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
              To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 21:41:11
              Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE


              I can confirm it as well, I live in the UK and I have a serious medical condition and I get wonderful service and pay nothing extra on top of my usual contributions.  I run an online support group for people around the world with my condition and the difference between the UK and US are striking.  While I get the treatment I need when I need it, others with the same problems have to work out how they can raise the money needed to pay before they can consider it.  I am about to have a pacemaker fitted, it will cost nothing at the time it is put in, my friends who have had pacemakers and medical insurance have had to find $30,000+ for the same op in the US.  I need 20 pills a day and they cost nothing, people in the US have to buy generic drugs from Walmart which do not work as well because of the cost, how can that be right, why should I get the best and the US only gives the best to those who can afford it.

               

               

               

              From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john gill
              Sent: 22 August 2009 21:22
              To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

               

               

              As a British/ Canadian living in England i can confirm what you are saying

               


              From: Martyn Painter <martyn.painter@...>
              To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, 22 August, 2009 19:23:36
              Subject: RE: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

              I think if you actually ask someone in Canada or the UK or Europe you will find these lines are no longer than those in the US.  Their systems are just as quick and just as professional only they don’t cost you your house.

               

               

               

              From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpl632
              Sent: 22 August 2009 19:14
              To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Re: Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE

               

               

              You may ned to start paying attention as to WAITING LINES IN CANADA, and elsewhere.

              --- In Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com, "Martyn Painter" <martyn.painter@...> wrote:
              >
              > Give it a chance, let those who cannot afford treatment or ins have a chance
              > for help. World pretty well in Canada and UK, nobody goes without, everyone
              > see's the doctor they need when they need it and medication does not
              > bankrupt you.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > From: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              > [mailto:Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lassy_1972
              > Sent: 11 August 2009 20:01
              > To: Conspiracies-101@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [Conspiracies-101] Socialist Health Care Reform NOTICE
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit
              > > books of all employers that self insure!!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE
              > > that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS
              > > RATIONED!!!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will
              > > choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL
              > > non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to
              > > individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be
              > > issued!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access
              > > to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees
              > > and their families in Unions & community organizations:
              > > (ACORN).
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages
              > > for private HC plans in the Exchange.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit
              > > Levels for Plans (Rationed Healthcare)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic
              > > appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e.,
              > > ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC
              > > plan.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels
              > > for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be
              > > rationed.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals
              > > will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price
              > > fixing. (No judicial review allowed)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical
              > > Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make!
              > > (salary)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees
              > > into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part
              > > time employees AND their families.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k &
              > > above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all
              > > payroll.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k
              > > & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6%
              > > tax on all payroll.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have
              > > acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of
              > > income.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt
              > > from individual taxes. (Americans will PAY)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin
              > > (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal
              > > records.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this
              > > section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says
              > > that!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician
              > > services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are
              > > affected.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what
              > > specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time,
              > > profession, judgment etc.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls
              > > productivity for private HC industries.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental &
              > > purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS-
              > > Cancer patients - (Rationing)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for
              > > whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during
              > > initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will
              > > penalize you.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt
              > > tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion-
              > > Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for
              > > exception BUT community input is required. (ACORN again)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of
              > > outcome based measures. (Rationing)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify
              > > Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt
              > > plan.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special
              > > needs people! Unbelievable!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy -
              > > Tele-health Advisory Committee. (Healthcare by phone)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning
              > > Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult
              > > regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney.
              > > Mandatory!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved
              > > list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
              > > (assisted suicide)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for
              > > end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning
              > > consultant" will be used frequently as patients health
              > > deteriorates.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care
              > > consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life
              > > plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors
              > > can write an end of life order.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of
              > > treatment you will have at end of life!
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non
              > > profit organizations. (ACORN Medical Services???)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED
              > > ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based
              > > organization. (ACORN?)
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage &
              > > Family therapy. (Govt into your marriage????)
              > >
              > >
              > > Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services
              > > including defining, creating, rationing those services.
              > >
              > Page 425 of Health Care BILL - it says in black and white
              > > that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior
              > > Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling
              > > every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your
              > > suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied
              > > based on age. The only way for that to happen is to
              > > drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will
              > > be cut first. Paying for your own care
              > > will not be an option. Perhaps you could go
              > > to Canada or England to buy some care at one of their pay
              > > all facilities.
              > >
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