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  • hamchuck.1234
    I m working on my Boxer Rebellion Russians. I have four guys with flag poles that need flags, What sort of flags do they need? If someone makes some in 15mm
    Message 1 of 12 , May 10, 2017

      I'm working on my Boxer Rebellion Russians. 


      I have four guys with flag poles that need flags, 


      What sort of flags do they need? 


      If someone makes some in 15mm that might be good but it's not necessary. 


      Thanks

    • Mike Blake
      Flags, Colours & Standards ‘… and I hoisted the Russian Flag at the Chien Men side [of the Tarter City Wall].’ -Pvt Oscar Upham, USMC National Flags
      Message 2 of 12 , May 11, 2017

        Flags, Colours & Standards

        ‘… and I hoisted the Russian Flag at the Chien Men side
         [of the Tarter City Wall].’
        -Pvt Oscar Upham, USMC

        National Flags

        Contemporary observers mention the use of flags by all the Allies to mark captured buildings etc-the difficulty is that no one says which flag. Photographs can help, but often the flag is moving and is not clear.

        In 1858, a black/golden yellow[1]/white horizontal [top to bottom] tricolour had been adopted as the Russian national civil flag, possibly based on the black, gold and silver colours of the Romanovs[2]. It was highly unpopular and in 1883 the civil ensign, a white/blue/red [top to bottom] horizontal tricolour, was adopted as an alternate national flag, though the black-yellow-red was not officially abolished. In b&w photos it is not possible to say for certain which horizontal tricolour is flying, but in a photo of Russian troops parading in Ham & Ortner the shades of grey show it is clearly the white/blue/red version.

        A Russian flag was used alongside a Union Jack and a Stars and Stripes to show the relief force that the legation defenders were still alive, as described in the quote above. Upham does not describe the flag was but Diane Preston says it was the  ‘… the Imperial eagle of Russia’, giving no source for this very specific identification. This appeared on both the Czar’s Imperial Standard and a Russian Minister Plenipotentiary’s flag. There is no reason why the former should have been used in Peking. However a heavily retouched photograph in The Sphere 8 December 1900 shows Russian   cavalry parading in front of FM Waldersee, with a large standard which could possibly this, but the picture is not clear. ; indeed it is difficult to imagine quite what else it could be. The crowned black double headed eagle would be on a yellow (which at the time often came out dark in photos) field around 6’ square.

        The other possibility is the Russian representative in the Peking legation, Councillor of State Girs, ‘Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary’. There are 3 possibilities for his flag. Two had a red field with white crosses diagonally, horizontally and vertically; upper left canton yellow with the Imperial eagle on one; white rectangle in the centre with the black Russian Imperial on the other. The 3rd was a white over blue over red tricolour with the eagle on a white canton in the upper hoist.

        Military Designating Flags[3]

        Formation HQ flags [1m x 1.5m] may have been in use: Army 10 horizontal stripes, black and orange; Corps red with a green border, the number of the corps in the centre in black Roman numerals, followed by a full stop, eg 21st = XXI.; Infantry Division green with a orange border, the number of the division in the centre in black Arabic numbers, followed by a full stop; Rifle Division similar to infantry division, but with a raspberry red border; Artillery Brigades Green diamond, red corners; Pioneer Battalions Green diamond, brown corners.

        Naval Landing Parties

        Landing parties were not separate units as such, so they would not have had unit Colours. However, in 1908 the use of the Russian naval St Andrew’s Cross carried on a black staff for landing parties was formalised. Given the photographic evidence, this was simply the official approval of an already existing practice of Russian naval units ashore carrying the St Andrew’s Cross; mid blue diagonal cross on a white field.

        Landing parties in China are reported as hoisting Russian flags on captured positions etc. Whilst they may have had the national flag white/blue/red triband, it is more likely that contemporary observers recognised the naval St Andrew’s Cross as the ‘Russian flag’. There was also a naval jack; red field, white St Georges cross, blue St Andrews fimbriated white.

        Datsyshen states that in the attack on the Taku Forts, the St Andrew’s Cross flag was raised over the first fort the Russian landing party took. This is confirmed in a photo of the Taku forts after their capture where one shows clearly. The sailors at Taku did not have another Russian flag to mark the taking of their next fort and an under-officer’s shoulderboard was hoisted on the flagstaff instead.[4]

        Infantry

        The Regimental Colour’s obverse and reverse were different. 1883 pattern infantry colours had an obverse with a regimental icon, whilst the 1900 pattern had a common standard icon. There were inscriptions in Cyrillic lettering in the four inner border panels, geometric designs at the corners, and the icon in the central panel. The outer border was the same as the reverse.

        The Tsar's crowned monogram was on the reverse (Alexander III for the 1883, Nicholas II for the 1900), virtually filling the field from top to bottom between the borders. The Romanov eagle was in the inner border corner panels in natural colours.

        The 1883 colour was 126cm x 112.5cm, a white field with a raspberry red border. The border was edged gold and decorated with gold rosettes. The inner border was white edged with raspberry red and bore the motto Бог с нами 'S Nami Bog' (God is with us) at the top, and decorative patterns on the other 3 sides. The centre of the colour bore the regimental icon on the obverse, and the Imperial cipher on the reverse. The Imperial eagle was in each corner of the reverse. There were two borders on the flag, an outer one with stars, and an inner one with a weave pattern. These borders were in a colour based on whether the regiment was the first, second, third or fourth in the division; 1st  regiment red, 2nd blue, 3rd white, 4th dark green; the border edge braid and stars were either silver or gold [matching the button colour]. The inner embroidery was in the same colour as the border and field except where this was white, in which case the embroidery was red.

        Most of the East Siberian Rifle Regiments carried 1883 pattern colours, but some inherited their colour from their predecessor, which could be quite different. None of the regiments carried St George colours at this time[5]. The following list is from Zvegintsov.

        Regiment

        Colour Carried

        1st HM Siberian Rifle

        St Innocent; Czar Alexander III's cipher

        2nd Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 11th Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented in 1830. 140cm square. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

        3rd Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 13th Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented 1835. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

        4th Siberian Rifle

        St Andrew the Apostle; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        5th Siberian Rifle

        St Nicholas Thaumaturge; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        6th Siberian Rifle

        St Andrew the Apostle; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        7th Siberian Rifle

        The Transfiguration; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        9th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 15th Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented 1835. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

        10th Siberian Rifle

        Holy Trinity; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        11th Siberian Rifle

        The Annunciation; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        12th Siberian Rifle

        The Annunciation; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        13th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 7th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. St Mitrophene of Voronezh; light blue, not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        14th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 5th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. The Transfiguration; light blue, not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        15th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 9th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. St Nicholas Thaumaturge; light blue, not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        16th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 12th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented 1854. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher.

        17th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 1st Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion, originally presented 1835. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

        18th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 3rd Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. Archangel St Michael; light blue not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        20th Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 10th Eastern Siberian battalion. Archangel St Michael; light blue not raspberry border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        21st Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 2nd Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. Birth of Jesus; light blue not raspberry border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

        22nd Siberian Rifle

        Former colour 4th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. St Nicholas Thaumaturge; light blue not raspberry border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

         

        1880 Regulations stated that Colours were only be carried flying during full-dress parades in the presence of the Czar. For parades in the Imperial presence but when wearing service dress, or for full-dress parades in the presence of any other dignitary, the Colour was uncased, but rolled around the staff. For service dress parades in the presence of other dignitaries, the Colour was kept cased. Photographs show regiments parading in China with unfurled colours, however, and marching with cased ones.

        If they were carried in the field, a single small Colour would not be effective as a 'field sign' in a multi-battalion regiment, hence the additional designating flags. It may be that, as there was only one Colour, given the ‘holy icon’ nature of it and the 1880 regulations, it was kept with the regimental baggage during actions. However a photo from the Russo-Japanese War shows a colour on a staff which has been damaged by shell fire, suggesting that in 1904 colours were carried in battle. It is therefore probable that they were in carried into action in 1900 also. Regimental Colours would have been far too precious to be used for marking captured positions.

        Cavalry

        Primorsky Dragoon Regiment’s 1883 pattern standard was 675mm x 585mm, with a white field and yellow border and gold embroidery. Obverse  icon of SS Peter and Paul. On top of the icon was inscribed Бог с нами ‘S namy Bog (God is with us). Reverse Czar Nicholas II’s embroidered cipher monogram and eagles in each corner. Regular Cavalry regiment standards had a with borders and inscriptions of various colours.

        Cossacks

        The standard was as for dragoons. According to the Handbook 1890 each Cossack regiment was to have a flag of the same colour as the body of the regimental shoulder strap. In the centre of the standard the number or initial letter of the name of the regiment was in yellow, if the body ground was red, crimson, or blue; in red, if yellow or dark green.

        Each sotnia had a ‘burgee shaped’ guidon or bannerole, the upper half of which was the same colour as the body ground of the regimental standard; in the case of those regiments in which the regimental standard was marked with diagonal stripes, a bar of similar colour ran through the centre of the upper half of the guidon. The lower half of the guidon indicated the squadron, the sequence of colours being: 1st squadron scarlet, 2nd blue, 3rd white, 4th dark green, 5th yellow, 6th cinnamon brown.

        Amur Cossack Host

        Received a standard in 1897, form unknown. The flags of the Amur regiments had 2 diagonal yellow stripes.

        Trans-Baikal Cossack Host

        1st Verkhneudinsk Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, did not receive a standard until 1906.

        3rd Verkhneudinsk Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, carried the former colour of the 2nd Infantry Battalion, presented 1852.

        1st Chita Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, did not receive a standard until 1906.

        1st Nerchinsk Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, carried the former colour of 3rd Russian Regiment, presented 1852. They are show carrying a blue colour with a red Russian cross in Makovkin.

        1st Argun Regiment Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, carried the former colour of 3rd Russian Regiment, presented 1852.

        4th and 6th Trans-Baikal Cossack Regiments standards not known.

        In the regiments of the Transbaikal districts the flag had two diagonal white stripes, in order to distinguish these regiments from those of other Districts having standards of the same colour.

        Some regiments were presented with green, blue or red pattern ‘guidons’, with the eagle on a central orange disc and Nicholas I's ciphers in the corners.

        Transbaikal Regiments’ ‘banneroles’ were a rectangular yellow field with white diagonals and letters.

        Ussuri Host

        Ussuri Regiments’ ‘banneroles’ were rectangular with a dark green field with white diagonals and letters.

        Siberian Host

        The flag had two diagonal white stripes, in order to distinguish these regiments from those of other Districts having standards of the same colour.

        Though Zvegintsov says none of the Siberian Cossack Regiments received colours until 1906, Seaton gives rectangular ‘banneroles’ with a scarlet field with white diagonals and letters.

        Semiryechye Host

        The flag had two diagonal white stripes, in order to distinguish these regiments from those of other districts having standards of the same colour.

        1st regiment did not receive a colour until 1909.

        2nd regiment carried the former colour of 10th Siberian Cavalry Regiment, presented 1809; green over raspberry red, in the centre a red cross surrounded by a gold halo, gold fringes, silver cords and tassels, black staff.

        3rd regiment received a colour on 2nd August 1900, details not known.

        Semiryechye Regiments’ ‘banneroles’ were a crimson/scarlet field with a white diagonals and letters.

        Artillery

        The Russian artillery did not carry colours or standards.

        Chinese Russian Railway

        Putnam Weale described the flag as bearing a dragon ‘...hybrid... half Russian half Chinese monster...’



        [1] Sometimes described as orange.

        [2] It is illustrated in FOTW as an elongated rectangle, about a ¼ longer than the usual proportions of rectangular flags.

        [3] In use by 1914, when these flags were first introduced is not clear.

         

        [4] Although what use this would be, given the size of a shoulderboard is not clear! Perhaps it just served as a mark of possession in the event of a dispute – the first country to hoist something up the flag pole claimed the prize?

        [5] St George colours were

         
        Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:13 AM
        Subject: [ColonialWars] Russian army flags 1900
         
         

        I'm working on my Boxer Rebellion Russians.


        I have four guys with flag poles that need flags,


        What sort of flags do they need?


        If someone makes some in 15mm that might be good but it's not necessary.

         

        Thanks

      • Wilbur Gray
        The flags I attached are the 1900 pattern that is spoken of below. I do have the 1883 pattern flags as well, but I didn t want to make this too complicated.
        Message 3 of 12 , May 11, 2017

          The flags I attached are the 1900 pattern that is spoken of below. I do have the 1883 pattern flags as well, but I didn't want to make this too complicated.


          Actually, I have every damn flag they flew, even for such oddball units as military schools, the Guard and so on. Even lance pennants. If you are really interested you can pull all the flags ever flown by any regiment, etc from a Russian Website called www.vexillographia.ru . They have jpgs that can easily be made into flags and they are copyright free for non-commercial use.

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          Flags, Colours & Standards

          ‘… and I hoisted the Russian Flag at the Chien Men side
           [of the Tarter City Wall].’
          -Pvt Oscar Upham, USMC

          National Flags

          Contemporary observers mention the use of flags by all the Allies to mark captured buildings etc-the difficulty is that no one says which flag. Photographs can help, but often the flag is moving and is not clear.

          In 1858, a black/golden yellow[1]/white horizontal [top to bottom] tricolour had been adopted as the Russian national civil flag, possibly based on the black, gold and silver colours of the Romanovs[2]. It was highly unpopular and in 1883 the civil ensign, a white/blue/red [top to bottom] horizontal tricolour, was adopted as an alternate national flag, though the black-yellow-red was not officially abolished. In b&w photos it is not possible to say for certain which horizontal tricolour is flying, but in a photo of Russian troops parading in Ham & Ortner the shades of grey show it is clearly the white/blue/red version.

          A Russian flag was used alongside a Union Jack and a Stars and Stripes to show the relief force that the legation defenders were still alive, as described in the quote above. Upham does not describe the flag was but Diane Preston says it was the  ‘… the Imperial eagle of Russia’, giving no source for this very specific identification. This appeared on both the Czar’s Imperial Standard and a Russian Minister Plenipotentiary’s flag. There is no reason why the former should have been used in Peking. However a heavily retouched photograph in The Sphere 8 December 1900 shows Russian   cavalry parading in front of FM Waldersee, with a large standard which could possibly this, but the picture is not clear. ; indeed it is difficult to imagine quite what else it could be. The crowned black double headed eagle would be on a yellow (which at the time often came out dark in photos) field around 6’ square.

          The other possibility is the Russian representative in the Peking legation, Councillor of State Girs, ‘Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary’. There are 3 possibilities for his flag. Two had a red field with white crosses diagonally, horizontally and vertically; upper left canton yellow with the Imperial eagle on one; white rectangle in the centre with the black Russian Imperial on the other. The 3rd was a white over blue over red tricolour with the eagle on a white canton in the upper hoist.

          Military Designating Flags[3]

          Formation HQ flags [1m x 1.5m] may have been in use: Army 10 horizontal stripes, black and orange; Corps red with a green border, the number of the corps in the centre in black Roman numerals, followed by a full stop, eg 21st = XXI.; Infantry Division green with a orange border, the number of the division in the centre in black Arabic numbers, followed by a full stop; Rifle Division similar to infantry division, but with a raspberry red border; Artillery Brigades Green diamond, red corners; Pioneer Battalions Green diamond, brown corners.

          Naval Landing Parties

          Landing parties were not separate units as such, so they would not have had unit Colours. However, in 1908 the use of the Russian naval St Andrew’s Cross carried on a black staff for landing parties was formalised. Given the photographic evidence, this was simply the official approval of an already existing practice of Russian naval units ashore carrying the St Andrew’s Cross; mid blue diagonal cross on a white field.

          Landing parties in China are reported as hoisting Russian flags on captured positions etc. Whilst they may have had the national flag white/blue/red triband, it is more likely that contemporary observers recognised the naval St Andrew’s Cross as the ‘Russian flag’. There was also a naval jack; red field, white St Georges cross, blue St Andrews fimbriated white.

          Datsyshen states that in the attack on the Taku Forts, the St Andrew’s Cross flag was raised over the first fort the Russian landing party took. This is confirmed in a photo of the Taku forts after their capture where one shows clearly. The sailors at Taku did not have another Russian flag to mark the taking of their next fort and an under-officer’s shoulderboard was hoisted on the flagstaff instead.[4]

          Infantry

          The Regimental Colour’s obverse and reverse were different. 1883 pattern infantry colours had an obverse with a regimental icon, whilst the 1900 pattern had a common standard icon. There were inscriptions in Cyrillic lettering in the four inner border panels, geometric designs at the corners, and the icon in the central panel. The outer border was the same as the reverse.

          The Tsar's crowned monogram was on the reverse (Alexander III for the 1883, Nicholas II for the 1900), virtually filling the field from top to bottom between the borders. The Romanov eagle was in the inner border corner panels in natural colours.

          The 1883 colour was 126cm x 112.5cm, a white field with a raspberry red border. The border was edged gold and decorated with gold rosettes. The inner border was white edged with raspberry red and bore the motto Бог с нами 'S Nami Bog' (God is with us) at the top, and decorative patterns on the other 3 sides. The centre of the colour bore the regimental icon on the obverse, and the Imperial cipher on the reverse. The Imperial eagle was in each corner of the reverse. There were two borders on the flag, an outer one with stars, and an inner one with a weave pattern. These borders were in a colour based on whether the regiment was the first, second, third or fourth in the division; 1st  regiment red, 2nd blue, 3rd white, 4th dark green; the border edge braid and stars were either silver or gold [matching the button colour]. The inner embroidery was in the same colour as the border and field except where this was white, in which case the embroidery was red.

          Most of the East Siberian Rifle Regiments carried 1883 pattern colours, but some inherited their colour from their predecessor, which could be quite different. None of the regiments carried St George colours at this time[5]. The following list is from Zvegintsov.

          Regiment

          Colour Carried

          1st HM Siberian Rifle

          St Innocent; Czar Alexander III's cipher

          2nd Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 11th Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented in 1830. 140cm square. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

          3rd Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 13th Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented 1835. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

          4th Siberian Rifle

          St Andrew the Apostle; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          5th Siberian Rifle

          St Nicholas Thaumaturge; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          6th Siberian Rifle

          St Andrew the Apostle; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          7th Siberian Rifle

          The Transfiguration; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          9th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 15th Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented 1835. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

          10th Siberian Rifle

          Holy Trinity; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          11th Siberian Rifle

          The Annunciation; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          12th Siberian Rifle

          The Annunciation; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          13th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 7th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. St Mitrophene of Voronezh; light blue, not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          14th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 5th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. The Transfiguration; light blue, not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          15th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 9th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. St Nicholas Thaumaturge; light blue, not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          16th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 12th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion, presented 1854. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher.

          17th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 1st Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion, originally presented 1835. White cross, green corners; Czar Nicholas I's cipher

          18th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 3rd Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. Archangel St Michael; light blue not raspberry, border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          20th Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 10th Eastern Siberian battalion. Archangel St Michael; light blue not raspberry border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          21st Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 2nd Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. Birth of Jesus; light blue not raspberry border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

          22nd Siberian Rifle

          Former colour 4th Eastern Siberian Frontier Battalion. St Nicholas Thaumaturge; light blue not raspberry border; Czar Nicholas II's cipher

           

          1880 Regulations stated that Colours were only be carried flying during full-dress parades in the presence of the Czar. For parades in the Imperial presence but when wearing service dress, or for full-dress parades in the presence of any other dignitary, the Colour was uncased, but rolled around the staff. For service dress parades in the presence of other dignitaries, the Colour was kept cased. Photographs show regiments parading in China with unfurled colours, however, and marching with cased ones.

          If they were carried in the field, a single small Colour would not be effective as a 'field sign' in a multi-battalion regiment, hence the additional designating flags. It may be that, as there was only one Colour, given the ‘holy icon’ nature of it and the 1880 regulations, it was kept with the regimental baggage during actions. However a photo from the Russo-Japanese War shows a colour on a staff which has been damaged by shell fire, suggesting that in 1904 colours were carried in battle. It is therefore probable that they were in carried into action in 1900 also. Regimental Colours would have been far too precious to be used for marking captured positions.

          Cavalry

          Primorsky Dragoon Regiment’s 1883 pattern standard was 675mm x 585mm, with a white field and yellow border and gold embroidery. Obverse  icon of SS Peter and Paul. On top of the icon was inscribed Бог с нами ‘S namy Bog (God is with us). Reverse Czar Nicholas II’s embroidered cipher monogram and eagles in each corner. Regular Cavalry regiment standards had a with borders and inscriptions of various colours.

          Cossacks

          The standard was as for dragoons. According to the Handbook 1890 each Cossack regiment was to have a flag of the same colour as the body of the regimental shoulder strap. In the centre of the standard the number or initial letter of the name of the regiment was in yellow, if the body ground was red, crimson, or blue; in red, if yellow or dark green.

          Each sotnia had a ‘burgee shaped’ guidon or bannerole, the upper half of which was the same colour as the body ground of the regimental standard; in the case of those regiments in which the regimental standard was marked with diagonal stripes, a bar of similar colour ran through the centre of the upper half of the guidon. The lower half of the guidon indicated the squadron, the sequence of colours being: 1st squadron scarlet, 2nd blue, 3rd white, 4th dark green, 5th yellow, 6th cinnamon brown.

          Amur Cossack Host

          Received a standard in 1897, form unknown. The flags of the Amur regiments had 2 diagonal yellow stripes.

          Trans-Baikal Cossack Host

          1st Verkhneudinsk Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, did not receive a standard until 1906.

          3rd Verkhneudinsk Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, carried the former colour of the 2nd Infantry Battalion, presented 1852.

          1st Chita Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, did not receive a standard until 1906.

          1st Nerchinsk Regiment, Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, carried the former colour of 3rd Russian Regiment, presented 1852. They are show carrying a blue colour with a red Russian cross in Makovkin.

          1st Argun Regiment Trans-Baikal Cossack Host, carried the former colour of 3rd Russian Regiment, presented 1852.

          4th and 6th Trans-Baikal Cossack Regiments standards not known.

          In the regiments of the Transbaikal districts the flag had two diagonal white stripes, in order to distinguish these regiments from those of other Districts having standards of the same colour.

          Some regiments were presented with green, blue or red pattern ‘guidons’, with the eagle on a central orange disc and Nicholas I's ciphers in the corners.

          Transbaikal Regiments’ ‘banneroles’ were a rectangular yellow field with white diagonals and letters.

          Ussuri Host

          Ussuri Regiments’ ‘banneroles’ were rectangular with a dark green field with white diagonals and letters.

          Siberian Host

          The flag had two diagonal white stripes, in order to distinguish these regiments from those of other Districts having standards of the same colour.

          Though Zvegintsov says none of the Siberian Cossack Regiments received colours until 1906, Seaton gives rectangular ‘banneroles’ with a scarlet field with white diagonals and letters.

          Semiryechye Host

          The flag had two diagonal white stripes, in order to distinguish these regiments from those of other districts having standards of the same colour.

          1st regiment did not receive a colour until 1909.

          2nd regiment carried the former colour of 10th Siberian Cavalry Regiment, presented 1809; green over raspberry red, in the centre a red cross surrounded by a gold halo, gold fringes, silver cords and tassels, black staff.

          3rd regiment received a colour on 2nd August 1900, details not known.

          Semiryechye Regiments’ ‘banneroles’ were a crimson/scarlet field with a white diagonals and letters.

          Artillery

          The Russian artillery did not carry colours or standards.

          Chinese Russian Railway

          Putnam Weale described the flag as bearing a dragon ‘...hybrid... half Russian half Chinese monster...’



          [1] Sometimes described as orange.

          [2] It is illustrated in FOTW as an elongated rectangle, about a ¼ longer than the usual proportions of rectangular flags.

          [3] In use by 1914, when these flags were first introduced is not clear.

           

          [4] Although what use this would be, given the size of a shoulderboard is not clear! Perhaps it just served as a mark of possession in the event of a dispute – the first country to hoist something up the flag pole claimed the prize?

          [5] St George colours were

           
          Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:13 AM
          Subject: [ColonialWars] Russian army flags 1900
           
           

          I'm working on my Boxer Rebellion Russians.


          I have four guys with flag poles that need flags,


          What sort of flags do they need?


          If someone makes some in 15mm that might be good but it's not necessary.

           

          Thanks

        • mikeblake3
          ?did these get through to the poster who asked the question? - normal etiquette here is to say thanks even if the info isn t quite what you wanted...
          Message 4 of 12 , May 15, 2017
            ?did these get through to the poster who asked the question? - normal etiquette here is to say thanks even if the info isn't quite what you wanted... 
          • hamchuck.1234
            Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you. BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight,
            Message 5 of 12 , May 15, 2017
              Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you. 

              BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct? 
            • Mike Blake
              Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too. Yes indeed – the Old West
              Message 6 of 12 , May 16, 2017
                Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                Yes indeed – the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and ‘up-date’ rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.



                From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900


                Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.


                BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?


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              • Wilbur Gray
                Emotional distress? BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group? I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I
                Message 7 of 12 , May 16, 2017

                  Emotional distress?

                  BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group?

                  I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I can upload them if that did not happen.


                  PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                  Warmest regards,

                  /// BILL ///

                  Wilbur E Gray
                  Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                  AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                  http://www.ageofeagles.com

                  "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                  From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:03 AM
                  To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900
                   
                   

                  Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                  Yes indeed – the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and ‘up-date’ rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.

                  From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                  Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                  To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                  Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.

                  BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?

                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                • Mike Blake
                  Bill, Just realised the smiley faces I put into the massages denoting I was winking ie joking, donÆt seem to come through in the posted message! æED@
                  Message 8 of 12 , May 16, 2017
                    Bill,

                    Just realised the smiley faces I put into the massages denoting I was winking ie joking, don�t seem to come through in the posted message! �ED@ certainly � to a sensitive soul like me. Winking smiley face.

                    From: Wilbur Gray hmgs1@... [ColonialWars]
                    Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:13 PM
                    To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900



                    Emotional distress?

                    BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group?

                    I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I can upload them if that did not happen.




                    PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                    Warmest regards,

                    /// BILL ///

                    Wilbur E Gray
                    Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                    AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                    http://www.ageofeagles.com

                    "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides







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                    From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:03 AM
                    To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900


                    Glad to hear it. In my turn, I�d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                    Yes indeed � the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and �up-date� rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.

                    From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                    Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                    To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                    Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.

                    BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?

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                  • Wilbur Gray
                    Oh, OK, no harm, no foul. More importantly, however, did those jpg images of Russian flags I attached to my first post to the group make it thru or not? PS:
                    Message 9 of 12 , May 16, 2017

                      Oh, OK, no harm, no foul.


                      More importantly, however, did those jpg images of Russian flags I attached to my first post to the group make it thru or not?



                      PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                      Warmest regards,

                      /// BILL ///

                      Wilbur E Gray
                      Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                      AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                      http://www.ageofeagles.com

                      "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                      From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:47 AM
                      To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900
                       
                      Bill,

                      Just realised the smiley faces I put into the massages denoting I was winking ie joking, don’t seem to come through in the posted message! ‘ED@ certainly – to a sensitive soul like me. Winking smiley face.

                      From: Wilbur Gray hmgs1@... [ColonialWars]
                      Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:13 PM
                      To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                       

                      Emotional distress?

                      BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group?

                      I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I can upload them if that did not happen.




                      PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                      Warmest regards,

                      /// BILL ///

                      Wilbur E Gray
                      Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                      AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                      http://www.ageofeagles.com

                      "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


                       




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                      From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:03 AM
                      To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                       
                      Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                      Yes indeed – the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and ‘up-date’ rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.

                      From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                      Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                      To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                      Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.

                      BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?

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                    • Ross Maker
                      No, because the group is set up to strip out attachments. From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017
                      Message 10 of 12 , May 16, 2017

                        No, because the group is set up to strip out attachments.

                         

                        From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com]
                        Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:47 AM
                        To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                         




                        Oh, OK, no harm, no foul.

                         

                        More importantly, however, did those jpg images of Russian flags I attached to my first post to the group make it thru or not?

                         

                         

                        PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                         

                        Warmest regards,

                        /// BILL ///

                        Wilbur E Gray
                        Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                        AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                        http://www.ageofeagles.com

                        "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                        From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:47 AM
                        To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                         

                        Bill,

                        Just realised the smiley faces I put into the massages denoting I was winking ie joking, don’t seem to come through in the posted message! ‘ED@ certainly – to a sensitive soul like me. Winking smiley face.

                        From: Wilbur Gray hmgs1@... [ColonialWars]
                        Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:13 PM
                        To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                         

                        Emotional distress?

                        BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group?

                        I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I can upload them if that did not happen.




                        PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                        Warmest regards,

                        /// BILL ///

                        Wilbur E Gray
                        Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                        AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                        http://www.ageofeagles.com

                        "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


                         




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                        From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:03 AM
                        To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                         
                        Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                        Yes indeed – the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and ‘up-date’ rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.

                        From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                        Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                        To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                        Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.

                        BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?

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                      • Wilbur Gray
                        Got it. I will post them in the files section. PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@outlook.com), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft.
                        Message 11 of 12 , May 16, 2017

                          Got it. I will post them in the files section.


                          PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                          Warmest regards,

                          /// BILL ///

                          Wilbur E Gray
                          Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                          AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                          http://www.ageofeagles.com

                          "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                          From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Ross Maker' rmaker@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:46 AM
                          To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900
                           
                           

                          No, because the group is set up to strip out attachments.

                           

                          From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:47 AM
                          To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                           




                          Oh, OK, no harm, no foul.

                           

                          More importantly, however, did those jpg images of Russian flags I attached to my first post to the group make it thru or not?

                           

                           

                          PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                           

                          Warmest regards,

                          /// BILL ///

                          Wilbur E Gray
                          Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                          AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                          http://www.ageofeagles.com

                          "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                          From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:47 AM
                          To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                           

                          Bill,

                          Just realised the smiley faces I put into the massages denoting I was winking ie joking, don’t seem to come through in the posted message! ‘ED@ certainly – to a sensitive soul like me. Winking smiley face.

                          From: Wilbur Gray hmgs1@... [ColonialWars]
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:13 PM
                          To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                           

                          Emotional distress?

                          BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group?

                          I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I can upload them if that did not happen.




                          PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                          Warmest regards,

                          /// BILL ///

                          Wilbur E Gray
                          Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                          AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                          http://www.ageofeagles.com

                          "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


                           




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                          From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:03 AM
                          To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                           
                          Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                          Yes indeed – the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and ‘up-date’ rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.

                          From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                          Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                          To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                          Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.

                          BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?

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                        • Wilbur Gray
                          These are ready made for wargamers and come from a site called Pygmy Wars and a Danish Wargaming Site. They are RCW White Russian Flags, formerly Imperial
                          Message 12 of 12 , May 16, 2017

                            These are ready made for wargamers and come from a site called Pygmy Wars and a Danish Wargaming Site. They are RCW White Russian Flags, formerly Imperial regulation standards. I have also included the regimental color charts for the regular army and cossacks listing interior panel, edge panels and embroidery colors.


                            Its in Russian, but I swear Google Translate has been fantastic.


                            The light blue is cavalry, while for the infantry the colors are red for the 1st regiment in each division, blue for the 2d, white for the third, green for the 4th.


                            This is regulation issue. Many units kept their old colors until worn out or were awarded special, non-standard colors for distinguished service, etc.


                            The Russian Website mentioned previously is the place to go if you really want to get that precise. It has dozens more jpgs than what I just posted.




                            PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                            Warmest regards,

                            /// BILL ///

                            Wilbur E Gray
                            Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                            AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                            http://www.ageofeagles.com

                            "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                            From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Wilbur Gray hmgs1@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:33 AM
                            To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900
                             
                             

                            Oh, OK, no harm, no foul.


                            More importantly, however, did those jpg images of Russian flags I attached to my first post to the group make it thru or not?



                            PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                            Warmest regards,

                            /// BILL ///

                            Wilbur E Gray
                            Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                            AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                            http://www.ageofeagles.com

                            "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


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                            From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:47 AM
                            To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900
                             
                            Bill,

                            Just realised the smiley faces I put into the massages denoting I was winking ie joking, don’t seem to come through in the posted message! ‘ED@ certainly – to a sensitive soul like me. Winking smiley face.

                            From: Wilbur Gray hmgs1@... [ColonialWars]
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:13 PM
                            To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                             

                            Emotional distress?

                            BTW, did the post that I sent with the flag jpgs I attached make it thru to the Group?

                            I did not see it listed on the group Website, so I can upload them if that did not happen.




                            PS: This is my new Email address (hmgs1@...), an alias for my old Hotmail address mandated by Microsoft. However, the old Hotmail address will still work with no problems. Thanks.

                            Warmest regards,

                            /// BILL ///

                            Wilbur E Gray
                            Colonel, US Army (Ret)
                            AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+

                            http://www.ageofeagles.com

                            "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides


                             




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                            From: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Blake' mike.blakeuk@... [ColonialWars] <ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:03 AM
                            To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                             
                            Glad to hear it. In my turn, I’d like to thank the other responder for the very useful link to printable wargames versions too.

                            Yes indeed – the Old West rules were co-authored by me. FWIW They are about to be republished in book form, with lots a additional material like scenarios fictional and historic, and ‘up-date’ rules for Control etc. We also have a completely rewritten set based on a simpler but just as sophisticated mechanism, a sort of Old West Rules Redux, which are the set we actually use now.

                            From: hamchuck.1234@... [ColonialWars]
                            Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:27 AM
                            To: ColonialWars@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [ColonialWars] Re: Russian army flags 1900

                            Yes, they did and I am quite sorry for the discourtesy and any emotional discomfort that I caused you.

                            BTW, you are the same Mike Blake from Old West Gunfight, correct?

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