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  • polyhistor_1
    Hi, I ve got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my zapping method
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      Hi,

      I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded. I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler.blogspot and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.

      C.R.A.D.

      P.S. What is the difference betwixt an adaptor and a converter?
    • Kim Ghobrial
      Hi, Sorry, I don t know your name, which makes it quite awkward trying to have a conversation. You need to ask them for PH+ for Pools (Carbonated Soda), but I
      Message 2 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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        Hi,
        Sorry, I don't know your name, which makes it quite awkward trying to
        have a conversation.

        You need to ask them for PH+ for Pools (Carbonated Soda), but I don't
        think Walmart will have it, you need to go to a Pool Supply Store, Home
        Improvement type of Store (like Lowes or Home Depot). If you still
        can't find something like that, then just get Baking Soda (Bi-Carbonated
        Soda). Even tho, Baking Soda isn't the best thing to use, it is much
        better than Salt.

        When you take them out of the Solution from Zapping, most use White
        Vinegar to soak them, then wash them in soap and water, then some folks
        will start using a pick or skewer to get the rest off the coin, but
        others will put them back into the solution to zap again.

        Sincerely,
        Kim

        polyhistor_1 wrote:
        > Hi,
        >
        > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded. I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler.blogspot and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
        >
        > C.R.A.D.
        >
        > P.S. What is the difference betwixt an adaptor and a converter?
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • Don Robertson
        Take a look in your grocery store in the laundry section. Many, if not most, of them carry Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda. It seems to work quite well and
        Message 3 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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          Take a look in your grocery store in the laundry section. Many, if not most, of them carry Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda. It seems to work quite well and says it contains sodium carbonate. I don't know what the concentration is. You definitely do not want to use salt. It is too corrosive. Baking soda works pretty well too. In a pinch, I have even used laundry detergent. It worked OK, but it foamed a lot.

          Don

          Don Robertson

          e-mail: don_robertson@...


          --- On Tue, 11/3/09, polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf@...> wrote:

          > From: polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf@...>
          > Subject: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
          > To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
          > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 7:30 AM
          > Hi,
          >
          > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried
          > zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I
          > wanted to perfect my zapping method before moving on to the
          > Roman coins), and they faded. I'm going to look for SC today
          > (spent an hour yesterday searching Walmart, asking at least
          > 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take them out from the
          > zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler.blogspot and can't
          > recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
          >
          > C.R.A.D.
          >
          > P.S. What is the difference betwixt an adaptor and a
          > converter?
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >     mailto:CoinZappers-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
          >
          >
          >
        • polyhistor_1
          How much distilled water and SC do I add? How many coins will that clean? Chris
          Message 4 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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            How much distilled water and SC do I add? How many coins will that clean?


            Chris
          • Jerry Jones
            Hey my friend!  You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.  Please use sodium bicarb until you locate SC.  Salt is out : )  C, when you remove the coins you can
            Message 5 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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              Hey my friend!  You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.  Please use sodium bicarb until you locate SC.  Salt is out : )  C, when you remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will cause the coins to darken over a period of time.  Or you can drop the coins in white venegar and all activity will halt.  Remove the coins, rinse well and dry. 
               
              As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC.  Not sure about the adaptor terminolgy..  Great to see you are learning my friend.. God Bless.. Jerry..  








               http://www.ancientcoinstore.com


              --- On Tue, 11/3/09, polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf@...> wrote:


              From: polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf@...>
              Subject: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
              To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 7:30 AM


               



              Hi,

              I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded. I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.

              C.R.A.D.

              P.S. What is the difference betwixt an adaptor and a converter?
















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            • Jerry Jones
              Thanks Kim and God Bless.. Jerry..  http://www.ancientcoinstore.com ... From: Kim Ghobrial Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter To:
              Message 6 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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                Thanks Kim and God Bless.. Jerry..








                 http://www.ancientcoinstore.com


                --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Kim Ghobrial <euroburms@...> wrote:


                From: Kim Ghobrial <euroburms@...>
                Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:34 AM


                 



                Hi,
                Sorry, I don't know your name, which makes it quite awkward trying to
                have a conversation.

                You need to ask them for PH+ for Pools (Carbonated Soda), but I don't
                think Walmart will have it, you need to go to a Pool Supply Store, Home
                Improvement type of Store (like Lowes or Home Depot). If you still
                can't find something like that, then just get Baking Soda (Bi-Carbonated
                Soda). Even tho, Baking Soda isn't the best thing to use, it is much
                better than Salt.

                When you take them out of the Solution from Zapping, most use White
                Vinegar to soak them, then wash them in soap and water, then some folks
                will start using a pick or skewer to get the rest off the coin, but
                others will put them back into the solution to zap again.

                Sincerely,
                Kim

                polyhistor_1 wrote:
                > Hi,
                >
                > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded. I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                >
                > C.R.A.D.
                >
                > P.S. What is the difference betwixt an adaptor and a converter?
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                >
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >















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              • Jerry Jones
                Thank you too Don!  God Bless.. Jerry..  http://www.ancientcoinstore.com ... From: Don Robertson Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC
                Message 7 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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                  Thank you too Don!  God Bless.. Jerry..








                   http://www.ancientcoinstore.com


                  --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Don Robertson <don_robertson@...> wrote:


                  From: Don Robertson <don_robertson@...>
                  Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                  To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:56 AM


                   



                  Take a look in your grocery store in the laundry section. Many, if not most, of them carry Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda. It seems to work quite well and says it contains sodium carbonate. I don't know what the concentration is. You definitely do not want to use salt. It is too corrosive. Baking soda works pretty well too. In a pinch, I have even used laundry detergent. It worked OK, but it foamed a lot.

                  Don

                  Don Robertson

                  e-mail: don_robertson@ yahoo.com

                  --- On Tue, 11/3/09, polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf @...> wrote:

                  > From: polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf @...>
                  > Subject: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                  > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                  > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 7:30 AM
                  > Hi,
                  >
                  > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried
                  > zapping a few dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I
                  > wanted to perfect my zapping method before moving on to the
                  > Roman coins), and they faded. I'm going to look for SC today
                  > (spent an hour yesterday searching Walmart, asking at least
                  > 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take them out from the
                  > zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot and can't
                  > recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                  >
                  > C.R.A.D.
                  >
                  > P.S. What is the difference betwixt an adaptor and a
                  > converter?
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------ --------- --------- ------
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >     mailto:CoinZappers- fullfeatured@ yahoogroups. com
                  >
                  >
                  >
















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                • Jerry Jones
                  Hi Chris!  Chris mix 1 and 1/2 teasoonfuls of SC to one quart of water.  I have cleaned hundreds of coins using the same solution.  As the solution
                  Message 8 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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                    Hi Chris!  Chris mix 1 and 1/2 teasoonfuls of SC to one quart of water.  I have cleaned hundreds of coins using the "same" solution.  As the solution evaporates I continue to add a bit of mixed solution to top off..  I hope this helps.. By the way, I love Zapping and I hope you enjoy as much Chris.. God Bless.. Jerry..  








                     http://www.ancientcoinstore.com


                    --- On Tue, 11/3/09, polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf@...> wrote:


                    From: polyhistor_1 <startrekdataandworf@...>
                    Subject: [CoinZappers] Re: DC adapter
                    To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 10:34 AM


                     



                    How much distilled water and SC do I add? How many coins will that clean?

                    Chris
















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                  • Dan Mancuso
                    Hi folks... I know y all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns months into seconds and years into minutes... After a bit of experimenting
                    Message 9 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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                      Hi folks...

                      I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                      months into seconds and years into minutes...

                      After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                      out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                      discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                      Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                      good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                      would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                      see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                      this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                      or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                      side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                      matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                      it makes a difference.

                      i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                      and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                      the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                      had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                      been the same... or the money I got for them.

                      I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                      parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                      LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                      I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius(sp) in my
                      pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                      (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                      supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                      VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                      that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                      been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                      examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                      contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                      looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                      is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                      worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                      tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                      is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                      still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                      see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                      zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                      mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                      pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                      cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                      I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                      in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                      long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                      now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                      completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                      only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                      cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                      in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                      of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                      low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                      coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)



                      Jerry Jones wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                      > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                      > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                      > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                      > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                      > rinse well and dry.
                      >
                      > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                      > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                      > God Bless... Jerry..
                      >
                      > http://www.ancientcoinstore.com <http://www.ancientcoinstore.com>
                      > Hi,
                      >
                      > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                      > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                      > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                      > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                      > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                      > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                      > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                      >
                      >


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                    • Jerry Jones
                      Hey partner and thanks Dan!  God Bless.. Jerry..  http://www.ancientcoinstore.com ... From: Dan Mancuso Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                      Message 10 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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                        Hey partner and thanks Dan!  God Bless.. Jerry..








                         http://www.ancientcoinstore.com


                        --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...> wrote:


                        From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                        Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                        To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM


                         



                        Hi folks...

                        I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                        months into seconds and years into minutes...

                        After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                        out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                        discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                        Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                        good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                        would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                        see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                        this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                        or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                        side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                        matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                        it makes a difference.

                        i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                        and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                        the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                        had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                        been the same... or the money I got for them.

                        I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                        parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                        LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                        I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                        pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                        (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                        supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                        VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                        that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                        been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                        examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                        contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                        looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                        is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                        worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                        tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                        is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                        still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                        see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                        zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                        mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                        pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                        cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                        I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                        in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                        long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                        now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                        completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                        only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                        cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                        in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                        of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                        low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                        coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                        Jerry Jones wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                        > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                        > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                        > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                        > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                        > rinse well and dry.
                        >
                        > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                        > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                        > God Bless... Jerry..
                        >
                        > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                        > Hi,
                        >
                        > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                        > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                        > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                        > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                        > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                        > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                        > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                        >
                        >

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                      • Dan Mancuso
                        oh, some points I forgot to make... if you are like me, and forgot all those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to reduce the current and that...
                        Message 11 of 29 , Nov 3, 2009
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                          oh, some points I forgot to make... if you are like me, and forgot all
                          those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to reduce the current
                          and that... then do what I did... get a smaller, tinier DC adapter, a
                          coupla volts, and as few milliamps as you can find... 50-100 is probably
                          more than you'll need... but, the lower, the better.... you want to see
                          a little bubbling, but if your tray or whatever you zap in looks like a
                          carbonated beverage, or the coin/artifact looks like it has a swarm of
                          fleas rushing out of it... it's probably going faster than you really
                          want it too...

                          Another way to control it... PURE distilled water will NOT conduct
                          electricity... weird huh? but true... add something to it, almost
                          anything. and it will conduct electricity. (Some things work better than
                          others, like salt :) Thing is... everyone recommends against the use of
                          salt... and I suppose if you take it up to the level of sea water... not
                          good... then again... consider all the shipwrecks in the ocean (of salt
                          water) and how well preserved they are... (then again, deep sea, high
                          pressure, lack of light, and I believe even reduced amounts of oxygen,
                          probably all play a factor)....

                          ANYway... my point was... you don't need salt... but in a minuscule
                          quantity, it would actually be fine... but the point is MINUSCULE!!!
                          5-10 GRAINS, granuals, or perhaps 1/20th of a pinch.. is where to start,
                          with DISTILLED, not filtered, water... Whatever you use, Sodium
                          carbonate, sodium bicarbonate (which I believe is easier to get (um,
                          baking soda) (BTW, what is baking powder?) I dunno right now... thing
                          is, whatever you use... just put in a very little... just enough to
                          get the juices flowing... If it nothing seems to have happened after
                          say 2-3 mins (IOW, no bubbling at all) add another 20th of a dash, or
                          maybe a 10th of a dash) and see if it happens...

                          Then again, if you have a coupla hundred laying around, they make some
                          serious cool power supplies... way back in my "electronic" days, I had a
                          helluva cool power supply. it did everything... that would be cool to
                          play zapping with, you controlled voltage, current limits, even the
                          ability to add portions of AC, like the top half of the wave, or sharpen
                          it to like triangles, it could be mostly alternating, or mostly DC...
                          sorta like adding a little hum, buzz, or tingle to the DC... that
                          woulda coulda been fun to experiment with...

                          But, I never got the chance to try that... my only point was before I
                          began my near 3 in the morning babble... other ways to go low and
                          slow... and with the little time I experimented, I wound up with the
                          little itty bitty DC adapter, I think it is 3 volts... (OH YEAH...
                          voltage is part of the equation... lower voltage "usually" results in
                          lower current, given the same conductive path)

                          I'm going to bed, I think I fell asleep, 2-3 times writing this :) (and
                          thank goodness for spel chkers)

                          Jerry Jones wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > Hey partner and thanks Dan! God Bless.. Jerry..
                          >
                          > http://www.ancientcoinstore.com <http://www.ancientcoinstore.com>
                          >
                          > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                          > <mailto:danm%40swcp.com>> wrote:
                          >
                          > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@... <mailto:danm%40swcp.com>>
                          > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                          > To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CoinZappers%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi folks...
                          >
                          > I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                          > months into seconds and years into minutes...
                          >
                          > After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                          > out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                          > discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...
                          >
                          > Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                          > good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                          > would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                          > see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                          > this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                          > or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                          > side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                          > matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                          > it makes a difference.
                          >
                          > i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                          > and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                          > the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                          > had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                          > been the same... or the money I got for them.
                          >
                          > I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                          > parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                          > LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.
                          >
                          > I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                          > pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                          > (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                          > supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                          > VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                          > that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                          > been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                          > examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                          > contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                          > looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                          > is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                          > worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                          > tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                          > is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                          > still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                          > see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                          > zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                          > mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                          > pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                          > cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...
                          >
                          > I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                          > in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                          > long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                          > now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                          > completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                          > only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                          > cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...
                          >
                          > in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                          > of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                          > low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                          > coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)
                          >
                          > Jerry Jones wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                          > > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                          > > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                          > > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                          > > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                          > > rinse well and dry.
                          > >
                          > > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                          > > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                          > > God Bless... Jerry..
                          > >
                          > > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                          > > Hi,
                          > >
                          > > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                          > > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                          > > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                          > > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                          > > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                          > > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                          > > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >


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                        • Jerry Jones
                          Thanks Dan!  I get really good results at 12 volts and 6 amps.  I tried both.  I think each member has to determine how many amps/volts to use.  I can t
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                            Thanks Dan!  I get really good results at 12 volts and 6 amps.  I tried both.  I think each member has to determine how many amps/volts to use.  I can't tell any diff when using the higher end as opposed to the lower end.. I do love to see all input though.. I hope we get more opinions and I hope we get feedback from others who have Zapped using more and less amperage.. God Bless.. Jerry..








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                            --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...> wrote:


                            From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                            Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                            To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 1:50 AM


                             



                            oh, some points I forgot to make... if you are like me, and forgot all
                            those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to reduce the current
                            and that... then do what I did... get a smaller, tinier DC adapter, a
                            coupla volts, and as few milliamps as you can find... 50-100 is probably
                            more than you'll need... but, the lower, the better.... you want to see
                            a little bubbling, but if your tray or whatever you zap in looks like a
                            carbonated beverage, or the coin/artifact looks like it has a swarm of
                            fleas rushing out of it... it's probably going faster than you really
                            want it too...

                            Another way to control it... PURE distilled water will NOT conduct
                            electricity. .. weird huh? but true... add something to it, almost
                            anything. and it will conduct electricity. (Some things work better than
                            others, like salt :) Thing is... everyone recommends against the use of
                            salt... and I suppose if you take it up to the level of sea water... not
                            good... then again... consider all the shipwrecks in the ocean (of salt
                            water) and how well preserved they are... (then again, deep sea, high
                            pressure, lack of light, and I believe even reduced amounts of oxygen,
                            probably all play a factor)....

                            ANYway... my point was... you don't need salt... but in a minuscule
                            quantity, it would actually be fine... but the point is MINUSCULE!!!
                            5-10 GRAINS, granuals, or perhaps 1/20th of a pinch.. is where to start,
                            with DISTILLED, not filtered, water... Whatever you use, Sodium
                            carbonate, sodium bicarbonate (which I believe is easier to get (um,
                            baking soda) (BTW, what is baking powder?) I dunno right now... thing
                            is, whatever you use... just put in a very little... just enough to
                            get the juices flowing... If it nothing seems to have happened after
                            say 2-3 mins (IOW, no bubbling at all) add another 20th of a dash, or
                            maybe a 10th of a dash) and see if it happens...

                            Then again, if you have a coupla hundred laying around, they make some
                            serious cool power supplies... way back in my "electronic" days, I had a
                            helluva cool power supply. it did everything.. . that would be cool to
                            play zapping with, you controlled voltage, current limits, even the
                            ability to add portions of AC, like the top half of the wave, or sharpen
                            it to like triangles, it could be mostly alternating, or mostly DC...
                            sorta like adding a little hum, buzz, or tingle to the DC... that
                            woulda coulda been fun to experiment with...

                            But, I never got the chance to try that... my only point was before I
                            began my near 3 in the morning babble... other ways to go low and
                            slow... and with the little time I experimented, I wound up with the
                            little itty bitty DC adapter, I think it is 3 volts... (OH YEAH...
                            voltage is part of the equation... lower voltage "usually" results in
                            lower current, given the same conductive path)

                            I'm going to bed, I think I fell asleep, 2-3 times writing this :) (and
                            thank goodness for spel chkers)

                            Jerry Jones wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > Hey partner and thanks Dan! God Bless.. Jerry..
                            >
                            > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                            >
                            > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                            > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> > wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@... <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> >
                            > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                            > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:CoinZappers %40yahoogroups. com>
                            > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi folks...
                            >
                            > I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                            > months into seconds and years into minutes...
                            >
                            > After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                            > out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                            > discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...
                            >
                            > Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                            > good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                            > would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                            > see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                            > this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                            > or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                            > side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                            > matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                            > it makes a difference.
                            >
                            > i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                            > and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                            > the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                            > had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                            > been the same... or the money I got for them.
                            >
                            > I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                            > parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                            > LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.
                            >
                            > I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                            > pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                            > (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                            > supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                            > VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                            > that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                            > been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                            > examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                            > contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                            > looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                            > is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                            > worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                            > tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                            > is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                            > still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                            > see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                            > zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                            > mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                            > pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                            > cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...
                            >
                            > I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                            > in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                            > long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                            > now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                            > completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                            > only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                            > cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...
                            >
                            > in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                            > of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                            > low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                            > coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)
                            >
                            > Jerry Jones wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                            > > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                            > > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                            > > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                            > > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                            > > rinse well and dry.
                            > >
                            > > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                            > > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                            > > God Bless... Jerry..
                            > >
                            > > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                            > > Hi,
                            > >
                            > > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                            > > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                            > > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                            > > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                            > > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                            > > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                            > > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >

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                          • jamesthelast@aol.com
                            Hello, Zappers If you re having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
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                              Hello, Zappers

                              If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                              pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                              ingredient is SC.

                              Hope this helps someone,

                              Jim


                              In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                              danm@... writes:

                              Hi folks...

                              I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                              months into seconds and years into minutes...

                              After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                              out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                              discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                              Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                              good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                              would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                              see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                              this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                              or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                              side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                              matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                              it makes a difference.

                              i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                              and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                              the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                              had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                              been the same... or the money I got for them.

                              I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                              parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                              LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                              I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius(sp) in my
                              pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                              (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                              supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                              VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                              that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                              been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                              examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                              contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                              looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                              is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                              worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                              tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                              is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                              still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                              see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                              zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                              mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                              pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                              cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                              I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                              in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                              long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                              now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                              completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                              only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                              cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                              in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                              of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                              low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                              coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)



                              Jerry Jones wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                              > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                              > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                              > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                              > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                              > rinse well and dry.
                              >
                              > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                              > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                              > God Bless... Jerry..
                              >
                              > http://www.ancientcoinstore.com <http://www.ancientcoinstore.com>
                              > Hi,
                              >
                              > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                              > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                              > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                              > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                              > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                              > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                              > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                              >
                              >


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                            • Jerry Jones
                              Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand name of the SC.  Please look on the container and see if there is a company phone
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                                Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand name of the SC.  Please look on the container and see if there is a company phone number.  Many companies will provide the nearest source of their product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about my Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..  








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                                --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...> wrote:


                                From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM


                                 



                                Hello, Zappers

                                If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                ingredient is SC.

                                Hope this helps someone,

                                Jim


                                In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                danm@... writes:

                                Hi folks...

                                I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                it makes a difference.

                                i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                Jerry Jones wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                > rinse well and dry.
                                >
                                > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                > God Bless... Jerry..
                                >
                                > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                > Hi,
                                >
                                > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                >
                                >

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                              • jamesthelast@aol.com
                                Hey, Jerry I don t see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard.com_
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                                  Hey, Jerry

                                  I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                  name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard.com_
                                  (http://www.biogard.com) . The website features a "store locator" option, which should help.
                                  Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                  "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay seller
                                  name).

                                  I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size stainless
                                  steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                  at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                  Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                  suggestions.

                                  Jim






                                  In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                  jceaus@... writes:

                                  Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                  name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                  phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                  product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about my
                                  Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..








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                                  --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...> wrote:


                                  From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                  To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM






                                  Hello, Zappers

                                  If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                  pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                  ingredient is SC.

                                  Hope this helps someone,

                                  Jim


                                  In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                  danm@... writes:

                                  Hi folks...

                                  I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                  months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                  After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                  out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                  discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                  Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                  good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                  would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                  see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                  this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                  or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                  side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                  matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                  it makes a difference.

                                  i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                  and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                  the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                  had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                  been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                  I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                  parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                  LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                  I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                  pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                  (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                  supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                  VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                  that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                  been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                  examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                  contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                  looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                  is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                  worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                  tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                  is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                  still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                  see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                  zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                  mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                  pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                  cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                  I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                  in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                  long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                  now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                  completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                  only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                  cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                  in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                  of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                  low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                  coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                  Jerry Jones wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                  > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                  > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                  > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                  > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                  > rinse well and dry.
                                  >
                                  > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                  > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                  > God Bless... Jerry..
                                  >
                                  > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                  > Hi,
                                  >
                                  > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                  > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                  > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                  > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                  > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                  > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                  > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                  >
                                  >

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                                  Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend!  Will you please keep the information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the need
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                                    Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend!  Will you please keep the information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the need arise.  Most often newbies will ask about sources.  I am sorry I have been so buys but I have been looking for a house.  I think we are going to build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon.  Jim, if you know where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit for the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..  








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                                    --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...> wrote:


                                    From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                    To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM


                                     



                                    Hey, Jerry

                                    I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                    name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                    (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option, which should help.
                                    Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                    "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay seller
                                    name).

                                    I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size stainless
                                    steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                    at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                    Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                    suggestions.

                                    Jim






                                    In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                    jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                    Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                    name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                    phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                    product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about my
                                    Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                    http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                    --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                    From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                    To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                    Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                    Hello, Zappers

                                    If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                    pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                    ingredient is SC.

                                    Hope this helps someone,

                                    Jim

                                    In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                    danm@... writes:

                                    Hi folks...

                                    I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                    months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                    After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                    out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                    discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                    Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                    good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                    would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                    see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                    this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                    or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                    side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                    matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                    it makes a difference.

                                    i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                    and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                    the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                    had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                    been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                    I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                    parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                    LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                    I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                    pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                    (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                    supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                    VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                    that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                    been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                    examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                    contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                    looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                    is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                    worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                    tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                    is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                    still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                    see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                    zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                    mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                    pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                    cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                    I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                    in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                    long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                    now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                    completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                    only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                    cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                    in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                    of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                    low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                    coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                    Jerry Jones wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                    > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                    > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                    > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                    > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                    > rinse well and dry.
                                    >
                                    > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                    > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                    > God Bless... Jerry..
                                    >
                                    > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                    > Hi,
                                    >
                                    > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                    > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                    > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                    > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                    > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                    > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                    > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                    >
                                    >

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                                    Jerry, Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages. Are you building in the same town where you live now? Jim In a message dated
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                                      Jerry,

                                      Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages.
                                      Are you building in the same town where you live now?

                                      Jim


                                      In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
                                      jceaus@... writes:

                                      Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend! Will you please keep the
                                      information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the
                                      need arise. Most often newbies will ask about sources. I am sorry I have
                                      been so buys but I have been looking for a house. I think we are going to
                                      build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon. Jim, if you know
                                      where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit for
                                      the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..








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                                      --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...> wrote:


                                      From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                      To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM






                                      Hey, Jerry

                                      I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                      name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                      (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option,
                                      which should help.
                                      Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                      "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay
                                      seller
                                      name).

                                      I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size
                                      stainless
                                      steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                      at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                      Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                      suggestions.

                                      Jim






                                      In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                      jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                      Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                      name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                      phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                      product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about
                                      my
                                      Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                      http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                      --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                      From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                      To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                      Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                      Hello, Zappers

                                      If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                      pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                      ingredient is SC.

                                      Hope this helps someone,

                                      Jim

                                      In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                      danm@... writes:

                                      Hi folks...

                                      I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                      months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                      After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                      out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                      discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                      Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                      good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                      would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                      see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                      this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                      or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                      side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                      matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                      it makes a difference.

                                      i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                      and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                      the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                      had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                      been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                      I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                      parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                      LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                      I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                      pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                      (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                      supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                      VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                      that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                      been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                      examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                      contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                      looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                      is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                      worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                      tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                      is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                      still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                      see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                      zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                      mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                      pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                      cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                      I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                      in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                      long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                      now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                      completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                      only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                      cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                      in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                      of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                      low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                      coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                      Jerry Jones wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                      > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                      > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                      > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                      > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                      > rinse well and dry.
                                      >
                                      > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                      > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                      > God Bless... Jerry..
                                      >
                                      > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                      > Hi,
                                      >
                                      > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                      > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                      > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                      > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                      > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                      > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                      > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                      >
                                      >

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                                      Hey my friend!  Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS.  Hattiesburg is about 25 miles down the road from where I live.  We really like the place and it
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                                        Hey my friend!  Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS.  Hattiesburg is about 25 miles down the road from where I live.  We really like the place and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of course) in with a population of 50,000 or so.  I don't recall the specific details.
                                         
                                        It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is located there.  I did my undergraduate work there may years ago.  Hattiesburg is considered a cultural city by our standards with live theatre, and an art museum on campus.  There are many, many great restaurants and many stores unlike where I live.
                                         
                                        There are two pretty large hospitals and many clinics and medical facilities.  We have located a nice community of patio homes with pretty stringent covenants we like very much.  We continued to look at many places but we continued to return to "Turtle Creek Cottages" but continued to rule it out because of the cost of building there.
                                         
                                        We finally relinquished and the builder and I finished with our house design a couple hours ago.  We had a wonderful give and take brainstorming session as we are both visually creative individuals.  I like what we have on paper and he is supposed to send me the plans and cost by tomorrow.. V gives me free reign with making design decisions and she really likes what he and I created.
                                         
                                        The owner has a very large staff and we will be assigned a decorator to help us make selections and we will work with the cabinet maker, etc in making decisions.  I love the way the owner has things set up.   
                                         
                                        I will have a small room to devote to my coins and coin photographs so I am pleased with that.  I have always wanted a screened rear patio and I also have that.. Thank you for asking Jim and God bless.. Jerry..  
                                         
                                          








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                                        From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                        To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:05 PM


                                         



                                        Jerry,

                                        Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages.
                                        Are you building in the same town where you live now?

                                        Jim


                                        In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
                                        jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                        Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend! Will you please keep the
                                        information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the
                                        need arise. Most often newbies will ask about sources. I am sorry I have
                                        been so buys but I have been looking for a house. I think we are going to
                                        build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon. Jim, if you know
                                        where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit for
                                        the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                        http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

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                                        From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                        Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                        To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM

                                        Hey, Jerry

                                        I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                        name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                        (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option,
                                        which should help.
                                        Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                        "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay
                                        seller
                                        name).

                                        I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size
                                        stainless
                                        steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                        at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                        Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                        suggestions.

                                        Jim

                                        In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                        jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                        Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                        name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                        phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                        product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about
                                        my
                                        Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                        http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

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                                        From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                        Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                        To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                        Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                        Hello, Zappers

                                        If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                        pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                        ingredient is SC.

                                        Hope this helps someone,

                                        Jim

                                        In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                        danm@... writes:

                                        Hi folks...

                                        I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                        months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                        After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                        out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                        discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                        Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                        good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                        would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                        see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                        this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                        or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                        side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                        matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                        it makes a difference.

                                        i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                        and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                        the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                        had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                        been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                        I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                        parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                        LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                        I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                        pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                        (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                        supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                        VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                        that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                        been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                        examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                        contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                        looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                        is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                        worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                        tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                        is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                        still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                        see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                        zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                        mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                        pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                        cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                        I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                        in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                        long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                        now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                        completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                        only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                        cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                        in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                        of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                        low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                        coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                        Jerry Jones wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                        > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                        > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                        > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                        > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                        > rinse well and dry.
                                        >
                                        > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                        > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                        > God Bless... Jerry..
                                        >
                                        > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                        > Hi,
                                        >
                                        > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                        > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                        > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                        > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                        > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                        > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                        > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                        >
                                        >

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                                      • Dan Mancuso
                                        Jerry, Say Hi to them for me... I have old friends and an Ex-Gal from Hattiesburg... A once little girl I knew well, Tamara, who was one of those Lil girl
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                                          Jerry, Say Hi to them for me... I have old friends and an Ex-Gal from
                                          Hattiesburg... A once little girl I knew well, Tamara, who was one of
                                          those Lil' girl beauty queens who I was the only one she let call her
                                          Tammy, is a young lady by now, and probably married. It would be
                                          interesting, and further proof of the small world we live in, if your
                                          paths should cross some day :)

                                          Jerry Jones wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Hey my friend! Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS. Hattiesburg
                                          > is about 25 miles down the road from where I live. We really like the
                                          > place and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of
                                          > course) in with a population of 50,000 or so. I don't recall the
                                          > specific details.
                                          >
                                          > It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is
                                          > located there. I did my undergraduate work there may years
                                          > ago. Hattiesburg is considered a cultural city by our standards with
                                          > live theatre, and an art museum on campus. There are many, many great
                                          > restaurants and many stores unlike where I live.
                                          >


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                                        • Jerry Jones
                                          Hey my friend!  That would be great Dan!  If by chance I encounter Tammy I will certianly do so partner.. God Bless.. Jerry..
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                                            Hey my friend!  That would be great Dan!  If by chance I encounter Tammy I will certianly do so partner.. God Bless.. Jerry..








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                                            --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...> wrote:


                                            From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                            To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 7:37 PM


                                             



                                            Jerry, Say Hi to them for me... I have old friends and an Ex-Gal from
                                            Hattiesburg. .. A once little girl I knew well, Tamara, who was one of
                                            those Lil' girl beauty queens who I was the only one she let call her
                                            Tammy, is a young lady by now, and probably married. It would be
                                            interesting, and further proof of the small world we live in, if your
                                            paths should cross some day :)

                                            Jerry Jones wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Hey my friend! Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS. Hattiesburg
                                            > is about 25 miles down the road from where I live. We really like the
                                            > place and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of
                                            > course) in with a population of 50,000 or so. I don't recall the
                                            > specific details.
                                            >
                                            > It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is
                                            > located there. I did my undergraduate work there may years
                                            > ago. Hattiesburg is considered a cultural city by our standards with
                                            > live theatre, and an art museum on campus. There are many, many great
                                            > restaurants and many stores unlike where I live.
                                            >

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                                          • Dan Mancuso
                                            Cool, that d be great! BTW... I am heading to what may be a good sized coin show tomorrow... anybody need anything? :) ... [Non-text portions of this message
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                                              Cool, that'd be great!

                                              BTW... I am heading to what may be a good sized coin show tomorrow...
                                              anybody need anything? :)

                                              Jerry Jones wrote:
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Hey my friend! That would be great Dan! If by chance I encounter
                                              > Tammy I will certianly do so partner.. God Bless.. Jerry..
                                              >


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                                            • jamesthelast@aol.com
                                              Jerry, Hattiesburg is a great place, and has been for a long time - I grew up in the metropolis of Amory and I can remember when the college was Mississippi
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                                                Jerry,

                                                Hattiesburg is a great place, and has been for a long time - I grew up in
                                                the metropolis of Amory and I can remember when the college was
                                                "Mississippi Southern" . That should tell you that I'm over 40.

                                                Jim




                                                In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:03:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                jceaus@... writes:

                                                Hey my friend! Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS. Hattiesburg is
                                                about 25 miles down the road from where I live. We really like the place
                                                and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of course) in with
                                                a population of 50,000 or so. I don't recall the specific details.

                                                It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is located
                                                there. I did my undergraduate work there may years ago. Hattiesburg is
                                                considered a cultural city by our standards with live theatre, and an art
                                                museum on campus. There are many, many great restaurants and many stores
                                                unlike where I live.

                                                There are two pretty large hospitals and many clinics and medical
                                                facilities. We have located a nice community of patio homes with pretty stringent
                                                covenants we like very much. We continued to look at many places but we
                                                continued to return to "Turtle Creek Cottages" but continued to rule it out
                                                because of the cost of building there.

                                                We finally relinquished and the builder and I finished with our house
                                                design a couple hours ago. We had a wonderful give and take brainstorming
                                                session as we are both visually creative individuals. I like what we have on
                                                paper and he is supposed to send me the plans and cost by tomorrow.. V gives
                                                me free reign with making design decisions and she really likes what he
                                                and I created.

                                                The owner has a very large staff and we will be assigned a decorator to
                                                help us make selections and we will work with the cabinet maker, etc in
                                                making decisions. I love the way the owner has things set up.

                                                I will have a small room to devote to my coins and coin photographs so I
                                                am pleased with that. I have always wanted a screened rear patio and I also
                                                have that.. Thank you for asking Jim and God bless.. Jerry..










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                                                --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...> wrote:


                                                From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                                Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:05 PM






                                                Jerry,

                                                Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages.
                                                Are you building in the same town where you live now?

                                                Jim


                                                In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend! Will you please keep the
                                                information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the
                                                need arise. Most often newbies will ask about sources. I am sorry I have
                                                been so buys but I have been looking for a house. I think we are going to
                                                build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon. Jim, if you know
                                                where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit
                                                for
                                                the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM

                                                Hey, Jerry

                                                I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                                name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                                (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option,
                                                which should help.
                                                Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                                "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay
                                                seller
                                                name).

                                                I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size
                                                stainless
                                                steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                                at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                                Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                                suggestions.

                                                Jim

                                                In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                                name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                                phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                                product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about
                                                my
                                                Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                                Hello, Zappers

                                                If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                                pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                                ingredient is SC.

                                                Hope this helps someone,

                                                Jim

                                                In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                danm@... writes:

                                                Hi folks...

                                                I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                                months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                                After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                                out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                                discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                                Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                                good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                                would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                                see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                                this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                                or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                                side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                                matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                                it makes a difference.

                                                i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                                and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                                the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                                had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                                been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                                I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                                parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                                LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                                I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                                supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                                VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                                that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                                been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                                examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                                contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                                looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                                is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                                worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                                tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                                is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                                still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                                see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                                zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                                mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                                pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                                cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                                I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                                in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                                long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                                now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                                completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                                only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                                cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                                in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                                of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                                low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                                coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                                Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                                > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                                > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                                > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                                > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                                > rinse well and dry.
                                                >
                                                > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                                > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                                > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                >
                                                > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                > Hi,
                                                >
                                                > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                                > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                                > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                                > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                                > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                                > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                                >
                                                >

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                                              • Jerry Jones
                                                Wow!  Wonderful Jim and I to recall Mississippi Southern .. I used to pass through Amory on the way to Ole Miss when in graduate school my friend!  Great to
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                                                  Wow!  Wonderful Jim and I to recall "Mississippi Southern".. I used to pass through Amory on the way to Ole Miss when in graduate school my friend!  Great to know you are from this area.. God Bless.. Jerry.. PS: Where do you live now Jim?








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                                                  From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                                  Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                  To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:19 PM


                                                   



                                                  Jerry,

                                                  Hattiesburg is a great place, and has been for a long time - I grew up in
                                                  the metropolis of Amory and I can remember when the college was
                                                  "Mississippi Southern" . That should tell you that I'm over 40.

                                                  Jim




                                                  In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:03:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                  jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                  Hey my friend! Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS. Hattiesburg is
                                                  about 25 miles down the road from where I live. We really like the place
                                                  and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of course) in with
                                                  a population of 50,000 or so. I don't recall the specific details.

                                                  It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is located
                                                  there. I did my undergraduate work there may years ago. Hattiesburg is
                                                  considered a cultural city by our standards with live theatre, and an art
                                                  museum on campus. There are many, many great restaurants and many stores
                                                  unlike where I live.

                                                  There are two pretty large hospitals and many clinics and medical
                                                  facilities. We have located a nice community of patio homes with pretty stringent
                                                  covenants we like very much. We continued to look at many places but we
                                                  continued to return to "Turtle Creek Cottages" but continued to rule it out
                                                  because of the cost of building there.

                                                  We finally relinquished and the builder and I finished with our house
                                                  design a couple hours ago. We had a wonderful give and take brainstorming
                                                  session as we are both visually creative individuals. I like what we have on
                                                  paper and he is supposed to send me the plans and cost by tomorrow.. V gives
                                                  me free reign with making design decisions and she really likes what he
                                                  and I created.

                                                  The owner has a very large staff and we will be assigned a decorator to
                                                  help us make selections and we will work with the cabinet maker, etc in
                                                  making decisions. I love the way the owner has things set up.

                                                  I will have a small room to devote to my coins and coin photographs so I
                                                  am pleased with that. I have always wanted a screened rear patio and I also
                                                  have that.. Thank you for asking Jim and God bless.. Jerry..

                                                  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

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                                                  From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                  To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:05 PM

                                                  Jerry,

                                                  Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages.
                                                  Are you building in the same town where you live now?

                                                  Jim

                                                  In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                  jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                  Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend! Will you please keep the
                                                  information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the
                                                  need arise. Most often newbies will ask about sources. I am sorry I have
                                                  been so buys but I have been looking for a house. I think we are going to
                                                  build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon. Jim, if you know
                                                  where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit
                                                  for
                                                  the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                  --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                  From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                  To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM

                                                  Hey, Jerry

                                                  I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                                  name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                                  (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option,
                                                  which should help.
                                                  Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                                  "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay
                                                  seller
                                                  name).

                                                  I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size
                                                  stainless
                                                  steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                                  at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                                  Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                                  suggestions.

                                                  Jim

                                                  In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                  jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                  Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                                  name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                                  phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                                  product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about
                                                  my
                                                  Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                  --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                  From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                  Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                  To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                                  Hello, Zappers

                                                  If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                                  pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                                  ingredient is SC.

                                                  Hope this helps someone,

                                                  Jim

                                                  In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                  danm@... writes:

                                                  Hi folks...

                                                  I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                                  months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                                  After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                                  out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                                  discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                                  Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                                  good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                                  would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                                  see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                                  this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                                  or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                                  side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                                  matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                                  it makes a difference.

                                                  i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                                  and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                                  the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                                  had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                                  been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                                  I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                                  parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                                  LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                                  I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                  pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                  (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                                  supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                                  VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                                  that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                                  been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                                  examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                                  contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                                  looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                                  is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                                  worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                                  tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                                  is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                                  still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                                  see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                                  zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                                  mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                                  pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                                  cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                                  I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                                  in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                                  long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                                  now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                                  completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                                  only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                                  cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                                  in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                                  of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                                  low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                                  coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                                  Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                                  > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                                  > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                                  > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                                  > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                                  > rinse well and dry.
                                                  >
                                                  > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                                  > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                                  > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                  >
                                                  > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                  > Hi,
                                                  >
                                                  > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                                  > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                                  > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                                  > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                                  > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                                  > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                  > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                                  >
                                                  >

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                                                  Jerry, I live in Birmingham -- small world. Jim In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:23:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, jceaus@yahoo.com writes: Wow! Wonderful Jim
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                                                    Jerry,

                                                    I live in Birmingham -- small world.

                                                    Jim


                                                    In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:23:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                    jceaus@... writes:

                                                    Wow! Wonderful Jim and I to recall "Mississippi Southern".. I used to
                                                    pass through Amory on the way to Ole Miss when in graduate school my friend!
                                                    Great to know you are from this area.. God Bless.. Jerry.. PS: Where do you
                                                    live now Jim?








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                                                    From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                                    Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                    To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:19 PM






                                                    Jerry,

                                                    Hattiesburg is a great place, and has been for a long time - I grew up in
                                                    the metropolis of Amory and I can remember when the college was
                                                    "Mississippi Southern" . That should tell you that I'm over 40.

                                                    Jim




                                                    In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:03:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                    jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                    Hey my friend! Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS. Hattiesburg is
                                                    about 25 miles down the road from where I live. We really like the place
                                                    and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of course) in
                                                    with
                                                    a population of 50,000 or so. I don't recall the specific details.

                                                    It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is located
                                                    there. I did my undergraduate work there may years ago. Hattiesburg is
                                                    considered a cultural city by our standards with live theatre, and an art
                                                    museum on campus. There are many, many great restaurants and many stores
                                                    unlike where I live.

                                                    There are two pretty large hospitals and many clinics and medical
                                                    facilities. We have located a nice community of patio homes with pretty
                                                    stringent
                                                    covenants we like very much. We continued to look at many places but we
                                                    continued to return to "Turtle Creek Cottages" but continued to rule it
                                                    out
                                                    because of the cost of building there.

                                                    We finally relinquished and the builder and I finished with our house
                                                    design a couple hours ago. We had a wonderful give and take brainstorming
                                                    session as we are both visually creative individuals. I like what we have
                                                    on
                                                    paper and he is supposed to send me the plans and cost by tomorrow.. V
                                                    gives
                                                    me free reign with making design decisions and she really likes what he
                                                    and I created.

                                                    The owner has a very large staff and we will be assigned a decorator to
                                                    help us make selections and we will work with the cabinet maker, etc in
                                                    making decisions. I love the way the owner has things set up.

                                                    I will have a small room to devote to my coins and coin photographs so I
                                                    am pleased with that. I have always wanted a screened rear patio and I
                                                    also
                                                    have that.. Thank you for asking Jim and God bless.. Jerry..

                                                    http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                    --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                    From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                    Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                    To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:05 PM

                                                    Jerry,

                                                    Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages.
                                                    Are you building in the same town where you live now?

                                                    Jim

                                                    In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                    jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                    Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend! Will you please keep the
                                                    information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the
                                                    need arise. Most often newbies will ask about sources. I am sorry I have
                                                    been so buys but I have been looking for a house. I think we are going to
                                                    build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon. Jim, if you know
                                                    where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit
                                                    for
                                                    the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                    http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                    --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                    From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                    Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                    To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM

                                                    Hey, Jerry

                                                    I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                                    name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                                    (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option,
                                                    which should help.
                                                    Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                                    "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay
                                                    seller
                                                    name).

                                                    I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size
                                                    stainless
                                                    steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                                    at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                                    Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                                    suggestions.

                                                    Jim

                                                    In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                    jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                    Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                                    name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                                    phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                                    product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about
                                                    my
                                                    Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                    http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                    --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                    From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                    Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                    To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                                    Hello, Zappers

                                                    If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                                    pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                                    ingredient is SC.

                                                    Hope this helps someone,

                                                    Jim

                                                    In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                    danm@... writes:

                                                    Hi folks...

                                                    I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                                    months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                                    After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                                    out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                                    discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                                    Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                                    good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                                    would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                                    see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                                    this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                                    or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                                    side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                                    matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                                    it makes a difference.

                                                    i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                                    and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                                    the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                                    had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                                    been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                                    I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                                    parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                                    LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                                    I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                    pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                    (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                                    supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                                    VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                                    that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                                    been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                                    examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                                    contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                                    looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                                    is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                                    worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                                    tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                                    is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                                    still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                                    see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                                    zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                                    mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                                    pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                                    cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                                    I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                                    in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                                    long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                                    now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                                    completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                                    only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                                    cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                                    in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                                    of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                                    low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                                    coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                                    Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                                    > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                                    > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                                    > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                                    > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                                    > rinse well and dry.
                                                    >
                                                    > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                                    > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                                    > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                    >
                                                    > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                    > Hi,
                                                    >
                                                    > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                                    > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                                    > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                                    > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                                    > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                                    > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                    > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                                    >
                                                    >

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                                                    Hey my friend!  It really is Jim!  God Bless.. Jerry..  http://www.ancientcoinstore.com ... From: jamesthelast@aol.com Subject: Re:
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                                                      Hey my friend!  It really is Jim!  God Bless.. Jerry..








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                                                      --- On Sat, 11/7/09, jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...> wrote:


                                                      From: jamesthelast@... <jamesthelast@...>
                                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                      To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:55 AM


                                                       



                                                      Jerry,

                                                      I live in Birmingham -- small world.

                                                      Jim


                                                      In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:23:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                      jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                      Wow! Wonderful Jim and I to recall "Mississippi Southern".. I used to
                                                      pass through Amory on the way to Ole Miss when in graduate school my friend!
                                                      Great to know you are from this area.. God Bless.. Jerry.. PS: Where do you
                                                      live now Jim?

                                                      http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                      --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                      From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                      To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:19 PM

                                                      Jerry,

                                                      Hattiesburg is a great place, and has been for a long time - I grew up in
                                                      the metropolis of Amory and I can remember when the college was
                                                      "Mississippi Southern" . That should tell you that I'm over 40.

                                                      Jim

                                                      In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:03:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                      jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                      Hey my friend! Jim, I plan to build in Hattiesburg, MS. Hattiesburg is
                                                      about 25 miles down the road from where I live. We really like the place
                                                      and it was once voted one of the top 10 towns to live (US of course) in
                                                      with
                                                      a population of 50,000 or so. I don't recall the specific details.

                                                      It is a college town and the University of Southern Mississippi is located
                                                      there. I did my undergraduate work there may years ago. Hattiesburg is
                                                      considered a cultural city by our standards with live theatre, and an art
                                                      museum on campus. There are many, many great restaurants and many stores
                                                      unlike where I live.

                                                      There are two pretty large hospitals and many clinics and medical
                                                      facilities. We have located a nice community of patio homes with pretty
                                                      stringent
                                                      covenants we like very much. We continued to look at many places but we
                                                      continued to return to "Turtle Creek Cottages" but continued to rule it
                                                      out
                                                      because of the cost of building there.

                                                      We finally relinquished and the builder and I finished with our house
                                                      design a couple hours ago. We had a wonderful give and take brainstorming
                                                      session as we are both visually creative individuals. I like what we have
                                                      on
                                                      paper and he is supposed to send me the plans and cost by tomorrow.. V
                                                      gives
                                                      me free reign with making design decisions and she really likes what he
                                                      and I created.

                                                      The owner has a very large staff and we will be assigned a decorator to
                                                      help us make selections and we will work with the cabinet maker, etc in
                                                      making decisions. I love the way the owner has things set up.

                                                      I will have a small room to devote to my coins and coin photographs so I
                                                      am pleased with that. I have always wanted a screened rear patio and I
                                                      also
                                                      have that.. Thank you for asking Jim and God bless.. Jerry..

                                                      http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

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                                                      From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                      To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:05 PM

                                                      Jerry,

                                                      Congratulations on the new house. Building certainly has its advantages.
                                                      Are you building in the same town where you live now?

                                                      Jim

                                                      In a message dated 11/6/2009 11:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                      jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                      Great Jim and thank you for the input my friend! Will you please keep the
                                                      information handy (store locator) and share with others as you see the
                                                      need arise. Most often newbies will ask about sources. I am sorry I have
                                                      been so buys but I have been looking for a house. I think we are going to
                                                      build and I hope to sign off on the house this afternoon. Jim, if you know
                                                      where to post your information (under files?) please do and take credit
                                                      for
                                                      the information if you will.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                      http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                      --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                      From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                      To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:40 AM

                                                      Hey, Jerry

                                                      I don't see a phone number except for medical emergencies, but the brand
                                                      name is BioGuard and their website is _www.biogard. com_
                                                      (http://www.biogard com) . The website features a "store locator" option,
                                                      which should help.
                                                      Swimming pool supply companies usually recognize SC under the generic name
                                                      "soda ash". It was recommended to me by Kevin @ sevenhillscoins (Ebay
                                                      seller
                                                      name).

                                                      I replaced my quarter inch copper wire cathode with the same size
                                                      stainless
                                                      steel threaded rod, as you suggested. - works great. I located the rod
                                                      at Ace Hardware after finding out that my local Lowe's didn't carry it.

                                                      Thanks to you and all the other members for the good information and
                                                      suggestions.

                                                      Jim

                                                      In a message dated 11/5/2009 7:04:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                      jceaus@yahoo. com writes:

                                                      Thank you for sharing Jim and will you be so kind as to share the brand
                                                      name of the SC. Please look on the container and see if there is a company
                                                      phone number. Many companies will provide the nearest source of their
                                                      product if and when one inquires.. Thank you for being what we are about
                                                      my
                                                      Brother.. God Bless.. Jerry..

                                                      http://www.ancientc oinstore. com

                                                      --- On Thu, 11/5/09, jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com> wrote:

                                                      From: jamesthelast@ aol.com <jamesthelast@ aol.com>
                                                      Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                      To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:27 AM

                                                      Hello, Zappers

                                                      If you're having problems finding pure sodium carbonate, try a swimming
                                                      pool supply store. I bought a two pound container for $7.99 - the only
                                                      ingredient is SC.

                                                      Hope this helps someone,

                                                      Jim

                                                      In a message dated 11/3/2009 9:17:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                                                      danm@... writes:

                                                      Hi folks...

                                                      I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck, zapping turns
                                                      months into seconds and years into minutes...

                                                      After a bit of experimenting with different voltages, and what turned
                                                      out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better milliamps) I
                                                      discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays off...

                                                      Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High current... burn was a
                                                      good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of the crud, but it
                                                      would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so many love to
                                                      see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors... (I used to know
                                                      this from memory, the how many and which way would reduce or increase
                                                      or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a "T" place on one
                                                      side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think it really
                                                      matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the zapping happens...
                                                      it makes a difference.

                                                      i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice ancient romans...
                                                      and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper Haters remarks at
                                                      the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now nice they looked...
                                                      had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the comments would have
                                                      been the same... or the money I got for them.

                                                      I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that will either... ALL
                                                      parties are happy with the deal, and until this message, it had been a
                                                      LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be true.

                                                      I have been carrying around another zapped Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                      pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                      (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps available... it was the DC
                                                      supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely Bronze coin to a
                                                      VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin mind you) but now
                                                      that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year now... and has
                                                      been shown to dozens of people who have been encouraged to hold and
                                                      examine it (the holding is the important part) They combined human
                                                      contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a more normal
                                                      looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I get from people
                                                      is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?", "This coin must be
                                                      worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I would expect when I
                                                      tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient Roman Empire, and it
                                                      is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it looks too new :) It
                                                      still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina" most folk want to
                                                      see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000 years... so be careful
                                                      zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much if you make a
                                                      mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing and patience will
                                                      pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are looking at was
                                                      cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather that 10-15 months...

                                                      I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have now been soaking
                                                      in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was designed for the slow.
                                                      long, replenish the water weekly method... and they have been in there
                                                      now for around ten months... a few have been removed and the cleaning
                                                      completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there, 30 remain, and
                                                      only a couple more are looking close enough to try to finish the
                                                      cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...

                                                      in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of the other circles
                                                      of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits ready to go... a
                                                      low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I will have some
                                                      coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)

                                                      Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA PS.. Please use
                                                      > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out : ) C, when you
                                                      > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper towel and the SC will
                                                      > cause the coins to darken over a period of time. Or you can drop the
                                                      > coins in white venegar and all activity will halt. Remove the coins,
                                                      > rinse well and dry.
                                                      >
                                                      > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to DC. Not sure about
                                                      > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are learning my friend..
                                                      > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                      >
                                                      > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                      > Hi,
                                                      >
                                                      > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I tried zapping a few
                                                      > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I wanted to perfect my
                                                      > zapping method before moving on to the Roman coins), and they faded.
                                                      > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour yesterday searching
                                                      > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do I do after I take
                                                      > them out from the zapper? I've read most of ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                      > and can't recall if I ever found anything related to this. Thanks.
                                                      >
                                                      >

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                                                    • Don Robertson
                                                      The formula mentioned here is E=IR, sometimes people say V=IR. E is the Electromotive force or Voltage and R is the resistance, in ohms, in the circuit. I is
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                                                        The formula mentioned here is E=IR, sometimes people say V=IR. E is the Electromotive force or Voltage and R is the resistance, in ohms, in the circuit. I is the current in amperes. The ratio of the resistance to voltage determines what the current will be. The lower the resistance, the higher the current will be. A twelve volt transformer in a circuit with 12 ohms of resistance will try to put out 1 amp of current, no matter what the rating of the transformer is. The current rating of the transformer/adapter is the maximum that it can put out before it blows a fuse (if it has one in it) or burns up. In cleaning coins, the resistance may vary, depending on several factors. One would be the conductivity of the solution, depending on solution that you are using. Another could be how close the coin/cathode is to the anode. Another might be how corroded the coin is and even the composition of the corrosion. However, whatever the resistance is, the
                                                        transformer will attempt to put out the maximum current allowed by the resistance in the circuit.

                                                        I do not know what the optimum voltage would be, but it would be wise to get the transformer that will put out the most current in milliamps that you can get. It is also safer and much less likely to burn up if you accidentally touch the cathode and anode together which would give you zero resistance.

                                                        Don

                                                        Don Robertson

                                                        e-mail:  don_robertson@...


                                                        --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...> wrote:

                                                        > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                                        > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                        > To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 1:50 AM
                                                        > oh, some points I forgot to
                                                        > make...  if you are like me, and forgot all
                                                        > those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to reduce
                                                        > the current
                                                        > and that... then do what I did... get a smaller, tinier DC
                                                        > adapter, a
                                                        > coupla volts, and as few milliamps as you can find...
                                                        > 50-100 is probably
                                                        > more than you'll need...  but, the lower, the
                                                        > better.... you want to see
                                                        > a little bubbling, but if your tray or whatever you zap in
                                                        > looks like a
                                                        > carbonated beverage, or the coin/artifact looks like it has
                                                        > a swarm of
                                                        > fleas rushing out of it... it's probably going faster than
                                                        > you really
                                                        > want it too...
                                                        >
                                                        > Another way to control it...  PURE distilled water
                                                        > will NOT conduct
                                                        > electricity... weird huh?  but true...  add
                                                        > something to it, almost
                                                        > anything. and it will conduct electricity. (Some things
                                                        > work better than
                                                        > others, like salt :)  Thing is... everyone recommends
                                                        > against the use of
                                                        > salt... and I suppose if you take it up to the level of sea
                                                        > water... not
                                                        > good...  then again... consider all the shipwrecks in
                                                        > the ocean (of salt
                                                        > water) and how well preserved they are... (then again, deep
                                                        > sea, high
                                                        > pressure, lack of light, and I believe even reduced amounts
                                                        > of oxygen,
                                                        > probably all play a factor)....
                                                        >
                                                        > ANYway... my point was...  you don't need
                                                        > salt...  but in a minuscule
                                                        > quantity, it would actually be fine...  but the point
                                                        > is MINUSCULE!!! 
                                                        > 5-10 GRAINS, granuals, or perhaps 1/20th of a pinch.. is
                                                        > where to start,
                                                        > with DISTILLED, not filtered, water...  Whatever you
                                                        > use, Sodium
                                                        > carbonate, sodium bicarbonate (which I believe is easier to
                                                        > get (um,
                                                        > baking soda) (BTW, what is baking powder?) I dunno right
                                                        > now...  thing
                                                        > is, whatever you use...  just put in a very
                                                        > little...  just enough to
                                                        > get the juices flowing...  If it nothing seems to have
                                                        > happened after
                                                        > say 2-3 mins (IOW, no bubbling at all) add another 20th of
                                                        > a dash, or
                                                        > maybe a 10th of a dash) and see if it happens...
                                                        >
                                                        > Then again, if you have a coupla hundred laying around,
                                                        > they make some
                                                        > serious cool power supplies... way back in my "electronic"
                                                        > days, I had a
                                                        > helluva cool power supply. it did everything... that would
                                                        > be cool to
                                                        > play zapping with, you controlled voltage, current limits,
                                                        > even the
                                                        > ability to add portions of AC, like the top half of the
                                                        > wave, or sharpen
                                                        > it to like triangles, it could be mostly alternating, or
                                                        > mostly DC...
                                                        > sorta like adding a little hum, buzz, or tingle to the
                                                        > DC...  that
                                                        > woulda coulda been fun to experiment with...
                                                        >
                                                        > But, I never got the chance to try that...  my only
                                                        > point was before I
                                                        > began my near 3 in the morning babble...  other ways
                                                        > to go low and
                                                        > slow...  and with the little time I experimented, I
                                                        > wound up with the
                                                        > little itty bitty DC adapter, I think it is 3 volts... (OH
                                                        > YEAH...
                                                        > voltage is part of the equation... lower voltage "usually"
                                                        > results in
                                                        > lower current, given the same conductive path)
                                                        >
                                                        > I'm going to bed, I think I fell asleep, 2-3 times writing
                                                        > this :) (and
                                                        > thank goodness for spel chkers)
                                                        >
                                                        > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                        > > 
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Hey partner and thanks Dan!  God Bless.. Jerry..
                                                        > >
                                                        > >  http://www.ancientcoinstore.com <http://www.ancientcoinstore.com>
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                        > > <mailto:danm%40swcp.com>> wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                        > <mailto:danm%40swcp.com>>
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                        > > To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > <mailto:CoinZappers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                        > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM
                                                        > >
                                                        > > 
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Hi folks...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck,
                                                        > zapping turns
                                                        > > months into seconds and years into minutes...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > After a bit of experimenting with different voltages,
                                                        > and what turned
                                                        > > out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better
                                                        > milliamps) I
                                                        > > discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays
                                                        > off...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High
                                                        > current... burn was a
                                                        > > good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of
                                                        > the crud, but it
                                                        > > would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so
                                                        > many love to
                                                        > > see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors...
                                                        > (I used to know
                                                        > > this from memory, the how many and which way would
                                                        > reduce or increase
                                                        > > or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a
                                                        > "T" place on one
                                                        > > side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think
                                                        > it really
                                                        > > matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the
                                                        > zapping happens...
                                                        > > it makes a difference.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice
                                                        > ancient romans...
                                                        > > and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper
                                                        > Haters remarks at
                                                        > > the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now
                                                        > nice they looked...
                                                        > > had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the
                                                        > comments would have
                                                        > > been the same... or the money I got for them.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that
                                                        > will either... ALL
                                                        > > parties are happy with the deal, and until this
                                                        > message, it had been a
                                                        > > LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be
                                                        > true.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I have been carrying around another zapped
                                                        > Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                        > > pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a
                                                        > "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                        > > (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps
                                                        > available... it was the DC
                                                        > > supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely
                                                        > Bronze coin to a
                                                        > > VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin
                                                        > mind you) but now
                                                        > > that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year
                                                        > now... and has
                                                        > > been shown to dozens of people who have been
                                                        > encouraged to hold and
                                                        > > examine it (the holding is the important part) They
                                                        > combined human
                                                        > > contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a
                                                        > more normal
                                                        > > looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I
                                                        > get from people
                                                        > > is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?",
                                                        > "This coin must be
                                                        > > worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I
                                                        > would expect when I
                                                        > > tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient
                                                        > Roman Empire, and it
                                                        > > is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it
                                                        > looks too new :) It
                                                        > > still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina"
                                                        > most folk want to
                                                        > > see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000
                                                        > years... so be careful
                                                        > > zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much
                                                        > if you make a
                                                        > > mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing
                                                        > and patience will
                                                        > > pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are
                                                        > looking at was
                                                        > > cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather
                                                        > that 10-15 months...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have
                                                        > now been soaking
                                                        > > in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was
                                                        > designed for the slow.
                                                        > > long, replenish the water weekly method... and they
                                                        > have been in there
                                                        > > now for around ten months... a few have been removed
                                                        > and the cleaning
                                                        > > completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there,
                                                        > 30 remain, and
                                                        > > only a couple more are looking close enough to try to
                                                        > finish the
                                                        > > cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of
                                                        > the other circles
                                                        > > of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits
                                                        > ready to go... a
                                                        > > low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I
                                                        > will have some
                                                        > > coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA
                                                        > PS.. Please use
                                                        > > > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out :
                                                        > ) C, when you
                                                        > > > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper
                                                        > towel and the SC will
                                                        > > > cause the coins to darken over a period of time.
                                                        > Or you can drop the
                                                        > > > coins in white venegar and all activity will
                                                        > halt. Remove the coins,
                                                        > > > rinse well and dry.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to
                                                        > DC. Not sure about
                                                        > > > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are
                                                        > learning my friend..
                                                        > > > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                        > > > Hi,
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I
                                                        > tried zapping a few
                                                        > > > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I
                                                        > wanted to perfect my
                                                        > > > zapping method before moving on to the Roman
                                                        > coins), and they faded.
                                                        > > > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour
                                                        > yesterday searching
                                                        > > > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do
                                                        > I do after I take
                                                        > > > them out from the zapper? I've read most of
                                                        > ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                        > > > and can't recall if I ever found anything related
                                                        > to this. Thanks.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
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                                                      • Jerry Jones
                                                        Wow Don!  I will have to work on this one my friend : )  The results I get are the result of trial and error in addition to reading a few basic electronic
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                                                          Wow Don!  I will have to work on this one my friend : )  The results I get are the result of trial and error in addition to reading a few basic electronic papers, etc.  As  a right brained artist I envy those who understand such linear reasoning.  I am about 90% right brained but I am very spatial and creative. 
                                                           
                                                          It is great how we can come together and learn from one another.  However, I am afraid there are fewer of us than you guys : ) Thank you for sharing Don and you are wonderful asset to our group.. Please do share such informaion with us and I will try very hard to understand my friend.. God Bless.. Jerry..  








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                                                          --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Don Robertson <don_robertson@...> wrote:


                                                          From: Don Robertson <don_robertson@...>
                                                          Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                          To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:11 PM


                                                           



                                                          The formula mentioned here is E=IR, sometimes people say V=IR. E is the Electromotive force or Voltage and R is the resistance, in ohms, in the circuit. I is the current in amperes. The ratio of the resistance to voltage determines what the current will be. The lower the resistance, the higher the current will be. A twelve volt transformer in a circuit with 12 ohms of resistance will try to put out 1 amp of current, no matter what the rating of the transformer is. The current rating of the transformer/ adapter is the maximum that it can put out before it blows a fuse (if it has one in it) or burns up. In cleaning coins, the resistance may vary, depending on several factors. One would be the conductivity of the solution, depending on solution that you are using. Another could be how close the coin/cathode is to the anode. Another might be how corroded the coin is and even the composition of the corrosion. However, whatever the resistance is, the
                                                          transformer will attempt to put out the maximum current allowed by the resistance in the circuit.

                                                          I do not know what the optimum voltage would be, but it would be wise to get the transformer that will put out the most current in milliamps that you can get. It is also safer and much less likely to burn up if you accidentally touch the cathode and anode together which would give you zero resistance.

                                                          Don

                                                          Don Robertson

                                                          e-mail:  don_robertson@ yahoo.com

                                                          --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...> wrote:

                                                          > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                                          > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                          > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                          > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 1:50 AM
                                                          > oh, some points I forgot to
                                                          > make...  if you are like me, and forgot all
                                                          > those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to reduce
                                                          > the current
                                                          > and that... then do what I did... get a smaller, tinier DC
                                                          > adapter, a
                                                          > coupla volts, and as few milliamps as you can find...
                                                          > 50-100 is probably
                                                          > more than you'll need...  but, the lower, the
                                                          > better.... you want to see
                                                          > a little bubbling, but if your tray or whatever you zap in
                                                          > looks like a
                                                          > carbonated beverage, or the coin/artifact looks like it has
                                                          > a swarm of
                                                          > fleas rushing out of it... it's probably going faster than
                                                          > you really
                                                          > want it too...
                                                          >
                                                          > Another way to control it...  PURE distilled water
                                                          > will NOT conduct
                                                          > electricity. .. weird huh?  but true...  add
                                                          > something to it, almost
                                                          > anything. and it will conduct electricity. (Some things
                                                          > work better than
                                                          > others, like salt :)  Thing is... everyone recommends
                                                          > against the use of
                                                          > salt... and I suppose if you take it up to the level of sea
                                                          > water... not
                                                          > good...  then again... consider all the shipwrecks in
                                                          > the ocean (of salt
                                                          > water) and how well preserved they are... (then again, deep
                                                          > sea, high
                                                          > pressure, lack of light, and I believe even reduced amounts
                                                          > of oxygen,
                                                          > probably all play a factor)....
                                                          >
                                                          > ANYway... my point was...  you don't need
                                                          > salt...  but in a minuscule
                                                          > quantity, it would actually be fine...  but the point
                                                          > is MINUSCULE!!! 
                                                          > 5-10 GRAINS, granuals, or perhaps 1/20th of a pinch.. is
                                                          > where to start,
                                                          > with DISTILLED, not filtered, water...  Whatever you
                                                          > use, Sodium
                                                          > carbonate, sodium bicarbonate (which I believe is easier to
                                                          > get (um,
                                                          > baking soda) (BTW, what is baking powder?) I dunno right
                                                          > now...  thing
                                                          > is, whatever you use...  just put in a very
                                                          > little...  just enough to
                                                          > get the juices flowing...  If it nothing seems to have
                                                          > happened after
                                                          > say 2-3 mins (IOW, no bubbling at all) add another 20th of
                                                          > a dash, or
                                                          > maybe a 10th of a dash) and see if it happens...
                                                          >
                                                          > Then again, if you have a coupla hundred laying around,
                                                          > they make some
                                                          > serious cool power supplies... way back in my "electronic"
                                                          > days, I had a
                                                          > helluva cool power supply. it did everything.. . that would
                                                          > be cool to
                                                          > play zapping with, you controlled voltage, current limits,
                                                          > even the
                                                          > ability to add portions of AC, like the top half of the
                                                          > wave, or sharpen
                                                          > it to like triangles, it could be mostly alternating, or
                                                          > mostly DC...
                                                          > sorta like adding a little hum, buzz, or tingle to the
                                                          > DC...  that
                                                          > woulda coulda been fun to experiment with...
                                                          >
                                                          > But, I never got the chance to try that...  my only
                                                          > point was before I
                                                          > began my near 3 in the morning babble...  other ways
                                                          > to go low and
                                                          > slow...  and with the little time I experimented, I
                                                          > wound up with the
                                                          > little itty bitty DC adapter, I think it is 3 volts... (OH
                                                          > YEAH...
                                                          > voltage is part of the equation... lower voltage "usually"
                                                          > results in
                                                          > lower current, given the same conductive path)
                                                          >
                                                          > I'm going to bed, I think I fell asleep, 2-3 times writing
                                                          > this :) (and
                                                          > thank goodness for spel chkers)
                                                          >
                                                          > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                          > > 
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Hey partner and thanks Dan!  God Bless.. Jerry..
                                                          > >
                                                          > >  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                          > >
                                                          > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                          > > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> > wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                          > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> >
                                                          > > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                          > > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                          > <mailto:CoinZappers %40yahoogroups. com>
                                                          > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM
                                                          > >
                                                          > > 
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Hi folks...
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but heck,
                                                          > zapping turns
                                                          > > months into seconds and years into minutes...
                                                          > >
                                                          > > After a bit of experimenting with different voltages,
                                                          > and what turned
                                                          > > out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or better
                                                          > milliamps) I
                                                          > > discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays
                                                          > off...
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High
                                                          > current... burn was a
                                                          > > good word... in mere seconds it would not only rip of
                                                          > the crud, but it
                                                          > > would melt away that centuries accumulated "patina" so
                                                          > many love to
                                                          > > see... Add a few appropriately positioned resistors...
                                                          > (I used to know
                                                          > > this from memory, the how many and which way would
                                                          > reduce or increase
                                                          > > or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is like a
                                                          > "T" place on one
                                                          > > side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't think
                                                          > it really
                                                          > > matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that the
                                                          > zapping happens...
                                                          > > it makes a difference.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two nice
                                                          > ancient romans...
                                                          > > and did well when I sold them... I loved the Zapper
                                                          > Haters remarks at
                                                          > > the coins I offered... how detailed they were, now
                                                          > nice they looked...
                                                          > > had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if the
                                                          > comments would have
                                                          > > been the same... or the money I got for them.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here that
                                                          > will either... ALL
                                                          > > parties are happy with the deal, and until this
                                                          > message, it had been a
                                                          > > LONG time since I was the only one that new this to be
                                                          > true.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I have been carrying around another zapped
                                                          > Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                          > > pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a
                                                          > "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                          > > (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps
                                                          > available... it was the DC
                                                          > > supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this lovely
                                                          > Bronze coin to a
                                                          > > VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the coin
                                                          > mind you) but now
                                                          > > that it has been in my pocket for getting near a year
                                                          > now... and has
                                                          > > been shown to dozens of people who have been
                                                          > encouraged to hold and
                                                          > > examine it (the holding is the important part) They
                                                          > combined human
                                                          > > contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to return a
                                                          > more normal
                                                          > > looking "tone" to this coins... and now the comments I
                                                          > get from people
                                                          > > is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a museum?",
                                                          > "This coin must be
                                                          > > worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what I
                                                          > would expect when I
                                                          > > tell them they are holding a coin from the Ancient
                                                          > Roman Empire, and it
                                                          > > is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way, it
                                                          > looks too new :) It
                                                          > > still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown "patina"
                                                          > most folk want to
                                                          > > see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000
                                                          > years... so be careful
                                                          > > zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to much
                                                          > if you make a
                                                          > > mistake... time will likely fix it.. but practicing
                                                          > and patience will
                                                          > > pay off when people have NO idea that coin they are
                                                          > looking at was
                                                          > > cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes, rather
                                                          > that 10-15 months...
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I have some coins sitting to the left of me that have
                                                          > now been soaking
                                                          > > in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which was
                                                          > designed for the slow.
                                                          > > long, replenish the water weekly method... and they
                                                          > have been in there
                                                          > > now for around ten months... a few have been removed
                                                          > and the cleaning
                                                          > > completed, but of the say 35 I started with in there,
                                                          > 30 remain, and
                                                          > > only a couple more are looking close enough to try to
                                                          > finish the
                                                          > > cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...
                                                          > >
                                                          > > in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up some of
                                                          > the other circles
                                                          > > of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper sits
                                                          > ready to go... a
                                                          > > low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2) and I
                                                          > will have some
                                                          > > coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the 1000 mA
                                                          > PS.. Please use
                                                          > > > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is out :
                                                          > ) C, when you
                                                          > > > remove the coins you can blot dry with a paper
                                                          > towel and the SC will
                                                          > > > cause the coins to darken over a period of time.
                                                          > Or you can drop the
                                                          > > > coins in white venegar and all activity will
                                                          > halt. Remove the coins,
                                                          > > > rinse well and dry.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > As for the converter.. I think it converts AC to
                                                          > DC. Not sure about
                                                          > > > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you are
                                                          > learning my friend..
                                                          > > > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                          > > > Hi,
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this good? I
                                                          > tried zapping a few
                                                          > > > dirty pennies from the forties using salt (I
                                                          > wanted to perfect my
                                                          > > > zapping method before moving on to the Roman
                                                          > coins), and they faded.
                                                          > > > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an hour
                                                          > yesterday searching
                                                          > > > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people). What do
                                                          > I do after I take
                                                          > > > them out from the zapper? I've read most of
                                                          > ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                          > > > and can't recall if I ever found anything related
                                                          > to this. Thanks.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          >
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                                                          Hi Jerry: I am not an expert at this either, but another way to think of it is like water flowing through a pipe. Voltage is the pressure, the water is the
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                                                            Hi Jerry:

                                                            I am not an expert at this either, but another way to think of it is like water flowing through a pipe. Voltage is the pressure, the water is the current and the pipe is the resistance. A large pipe (or low resistance) lets a large current flow through it. A small pipe (or high resistance) keeps the amount of current to a smaller amount. Maybe that will make it seem a bit more understandable.

                                                            Don

                                                            Don Robertson

                                                            e-mail: don_robertson@...


                                                            --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jerry Jones <jceaus@...> wrote:

                                                            > From: Jerry Jones <jceaus@...>
                                                            > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                            > To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:37 PM
                                                            > Wow Don!  I will have to work on
                                                            > this one my friend : )  The results I get are the result of
                                                            > trial and error in addition to reading a few basic
                                                            > electronic papers, etc.  As  a right brained artist I envy
                                                            > those who understand such linear reasoning.  I am about 90%
                                                            > right brained but I am very spatial and creative. 
                                                            >  
                                                            > It is great how we can come together and learn from one
                                                            > another.  However, I am afraid there are fewer of us
                                                            > than you guys : ) Thank you for sharing Don and you are
                                                            > wonderful asset to our group.. Please do share such
                                                            > informaion with us and I will try very hard to understand my
                                                            > friend.. God Bless.. Jerry..  
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >  http://www.ancientcoinstore.com
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Don Robertson <don_robertson@...>
                                                            > wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > From: Don Robertson <don_robertson@...>
                                                            > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                            > To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:11 PM
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >  
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > The formula mentioned here is E=IR, sometimes people say
                                                            > V=IR. E is the Electromotive force or Voltage and R is the
                                                            > resistance, in ohms, in the circuit. I is the current in
                                                            > amperes. The ratio of the resistance to voltage determines
                                                            > what the current will be. The lower the resistance, the
                                                            > higher the current will be. A twelve volt transformer in a
                                                            > circuit with 12 ohms of resistance will try to put out 1 amp
                                                            > of current, no matter what the rating of the transformer is.
                                                            > The current rating of the transformer/ adapter is the
                                                            > maximum that it can put out before it blows a fuse (if it
                                                            > has one in it) or burns up. In cleaning coins, the
                                                            > resistance may vary, depending on several factors. One would
                                                            > be the conductivity of the solution, depending on solution
                                                            > that you are using. Another could be how close the
                                                            > coin/cathode is to the anode. Another might be how corroded
                                                            > the coin is and even the composition of the corrosion.
                                                            > However, whatever the resistance is, the
                                                            > transformer will attempt to put out the maximum current
                                                            > allowed by the resistance in the circuit.
                                                            >
                                                            > I do not know what the optimum voltage would be, but it
                                                            > would be wise to get the transformer that will put out the
                                                            > most current in milliamps that you can get. It is also safer
                                                            > and much less likely to burn up if you accidentally touch
                                                            > the cathode and anode together which would give you zero
                                                            > resistance.
                                                            >
                                                            > Don
                                                            >
                                                            > Don Robertson
                                                            >
                                                            > e-mail:  don_robertson@ yahoo.com
                                                            >
                                                            > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                                            > wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                            > > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 1:50 AM
                                                            > > oh, some points I forgot to
                                                            > > make...  if you are like me, and forgot all
                                                            > > those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to
                                                            > reduce
                                                            > > the current
                                                            > > and that... then do what I did... get a smaller,
                                                            > tinier DC
                                                            > > adapter, a
                                                            > > coupla volts, and as few milliamps as you can find...
                                                            > > 50-100 is probably
                                                            > > more than you'll need...  but, the lower, the
                                                            > > better.... you want to see
                                                            > > a little bubbling, but if your tray or whatever you
                                                            > zap in
                                                            > > looks like a
                                                            > > carbonated beverage, or the coin/artifact looks like
                                                            > it has
                                                            > > a swarm of
                                                            > > fleas rushing out of it... it's probably going faster
                                                            > than
                                                            > > you really
                                                            > > want it too...
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Another way to control it...  PURE distilled water
                                                            > > will NOT conduct
                                                            > > electricity. .. weird huh?  but true...  add
                                                            > > something to it, almost
                                                            > > anything. and it will conduct electricity. (Some
                                                            > things
                                                            > > work better than
                                                            > > others, like salt :)  Thing is... everyone
                                                            > recommends
                                                            > > against the use of
                                                            > > salt... and I suppose if you take it up to the level
                                                            > of sea
                                                            > > water... not
                                                            > > good...  then again... consider all the shipwrecks
                                                            > in
                                                            > > the ocean (of salt
                                                            > > water) and how well preserved they are... (then again,
                                                            > deep
                                                            > > sea, high
                                                            > > pressure, lack of light, and I believe even reduced
                                                            > amounts
                                                            > > of oxygen,
                                                            > > probably all play a factor)....
                                                            > >
                                                            > > ANYway... my point was...  you don't need
                                                            > > salt...  but in a minuscule
                                                            > > quantity, it would actually be fine...  but the
                                                            > point
                                                            > > is MINUSCULE!!! 
                                                            > > 5-10 GRAINS, granuals, or perhaps 1/20th of a pinch..
                                                            > is
                                                            > > where to start,
                                                            > > with DISTILLED, not filtered, water...  Whatever you
                                                            > > use, Sodium
                                                            > > carbonate, sodium bicarbonate (which I believe is
                                                            > easier to
                                                            > > get (um,
                                                            > > baking soda) (BTW, what is baking powder?) I dunno
                                                            > right
                                                            > > now...  thing
                                                            > > is, whatever you use...  just put in a very
                                                            > > little...  just enough to
                                                            > > get the juices flowing...  If it nothing seems to
                                                            > have
                                                            > > happened after
                                                            > > say 2-3 mins (IOW, no bubbling at all) add another
                                                            > 20th of
                                                            > > a dash, or
                                                            > > maybe a 10th of a dash) and see if it happens...
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Then again, if you have a coupla hundred laying
                                                            > around,
                                                            > > they make some
                                                            > > serious cool power supplies... way back in my
                                                            > "electronic"
                                                            > > days, I had a
                                                            > > helluva cool power supply. it did everything.. . that
                                                            > would
                                                            > > be cool to
                                                            > > play zapping with, you controlled voltage, current
                                                            > limits,
                                                            > > even the
                                                            > > ability to add portions of AC, like the top half of
                                                            > the
                                                            > > wave, or sharpen
                                                            > > it to like triangles, it could be mostly alternating,
                                                            > or
                                                            > > mostly DC...
                                                            > > sorta like adding a little hum, buzz, or tingle to
                                                            > the
                                                            > > DC...  that
                                                            > > woulda coulda been fun to experiment with...
                                                            > >
                                                            > > But, I never got the chance to try that...  my only
                                                            > > point was before I
                                                            > > began my near 3 in the morning babble...  other ways
                                                            > > to go low and
                                                            > > slow...  and with the little time I experimented, I
                                                            > > wound up with the
                                                            > > little itty bitty DC adapter, I think it is 3 volts...
                                                            > (OH
                                                            > > YEAH...
                                                            > > voltage is part of the equation... lower voltage
                                                            > "usually"
                                                            > > results in
                                                            > > lower current, given the same conductive path)
                                                            > >
                                                            > > I'm going to bed, I think I fell asleep, 2-3 times
                                                            > writing
                                                            > > this :) (and
                                                            > > thank goodness for spel chkers)
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                            > > > 
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Hey partner and thanks Dan!  God Bless..
                                                            > Jerry..
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                            > > > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> > wrote:
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                            > > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> >
                                                            > > > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                            > > > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            > > <mailto:CoinZappers %40yahoogroups. com>
                                                            > > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > 
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Hi folks...
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but
                                                            > heck,
                                                            > > zapping turns
                                                            > > > months into seconds and years into minutes...
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > After a bit of experimenting with different
                                                            > voltages,
                                                            > > and what turned
                                                            > > > out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or
                                                            > better
                                                            > > milliamps) I
                                                            > > > discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays
                                                            > > off...
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High
                                                            > > current... burn was a
                                                            > > > good word... in mere seconds it would not only
                                                            > rip of
                                                            > > the crud, but it
                                                            > > > would melt away that centuries accumulated
                                                            > "patina" so
                                                            > > many love to
                                                            > > > see... Add a few appropriately positioned
                                                            > resistors...
                                                            > > (I used to know
                                                            > > > this from memory, the how many and which way
                                                            > would
                                                            > > reduce or increase
                                                            > > > or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is
                                                            > like a
                                                            > > "T" place on one
                                                            > > > side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't
                                                            > think
                                                            > > it really
                                                            > > > matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that
                                                            > the
                                                            > > zapping happens...
                                                            > > > it makes a difference.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two
                                                            > nice
                                                            > > ancient romans...
                                                            > > > and did well when I sold them... I loved the
                                                            > Zapper
                                                            > > Haters remarks at
                                                            > > > the coins I offered... how detailed they were,
                                                            > now
                                                            > > nice they looked...
                                                            > > > had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if
                                                            > the
                                                            > > comments would have
                                                            > > > been the same... or the money I got for them.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here
                                                            > that
                                                            > > will either... ALL
                                                            > > > parties are happy with the deal, and until this
                                                            > > message, it had been a
                                                            > > > LONG time since I was the only one that new this
                                                            > to be
                                                            > > true.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > I have been carrying around another zapped
                                                            > > Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                            > > > pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a
                                                            > > "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                            > > > (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps
                                                            > > available... it was the DC
                                                            > > > supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this
                                                            > lovely
                                                            > > Bronze coin to a
                                                            > > > VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the
                                                            > coin
                                                            > > mind you) but now
                                                            > > > that it has been in my pocket for getting near a
                                                            > year
                                                            > > now... and has
                                                            > > > been shown to dozens of people who have been
                                                            > > encouraged to hold and
                                                            > > > examine it (the holding is the important part)
                                                            > They
                                                            > > combined human
                                                            > > > contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to
                                                            > return a
                                                            > > more normal
                                                            > > > looking "tone" to this coins... and now the
                                                            > comments I
                                                            > > get from people
                                                            > > > is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a
                                                            > museum?",
                                                            > > "This coin must be
                                                            > > > worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what
                                                            > I
                                                            > > would expect when I
                                                            > > > tell them they are holding a coin from the
                                                            > Ancient
                                                            > > Roman Empire, and it
                                                            > > > is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way,
                                                            > it
                                                            > > looks too new :) It
                                                            > > > still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown
                                                            > "patina"
                                                            > > most folk want to
                                                            > > > see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000
                                                            > > years... so be careful
                                                            > > > zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to
                                                            > much
                                                            > > if you make a
                                                            > > > mistake... time will likely fix it.. but
                                                            > practicing
                                                            > > and patience will
                                                            > > > pay off when people have NO idea that coin they
                                                            > are
                                                            > > looking at was
                                                            > > > cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes,
                                                            > rather
                                                            > > that 10-15 months...
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > I have some coins sitting to the left of me that
                                                            > have
                                                            > > now been soaking
                                                            > > > in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which
                                                            > was
                                                            > > designed for the slow.
                                                            > > > long, replenish the water weekly method... and
                                                            > they
                                                            > > have been in there
                                                            > > > now for around ten months... a few have been
                                                            > removed
                                                            > > and the cleaning
                                                            > > > completed, but of the say 35 I started with in
                                                            > there,
                                                            > > 30 remain, and
                                                            > > > only a couple more are looking close enough to
                                                            > try to
                                                            > > finish the
                                                            > > > cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up
                                                            > some of
                                                            > > the other circles
                                                            > > > of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper
                                                            > sits
                                                            > > ready to go... a
                                                            > > > low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2)
                                                            > and I
                                                            > > will have some
                                                            > > > coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the
                                                            > 1000 mA
                                                            > > PS.. Please use
                                                            > > > > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is
                                                            > out :
                                                            > > ) C, when you
                                                            > > > > remove the coins you can blot dry with a
                                                            > paper
                                                            > > towel and the SC will
                                                            > > > > cause the coins to darken over a period of
                                                            > time.
                                                            > > Or you can drop the
                                                            > > > > coins in white venegar and all activity
                                                            > will
                                                            > > halt. Remove the coins,
                                                            > > > > rinse well and dry.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > As for the converter.. I think it converts
                                                            > AC to
                                                            > > DC. Not sure about
                                                            > > > > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you
                                                            > are
                                                            > > learning my friend..
                                                            > > > > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                            > > > > Hi,
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this
                                                            > good? I
                                                            > > tried zapping a few
                                                            > > > > dirty pennies from the forties using salt
                                                            > (I
                                                            > > wanted to perfect my
                                                            > > > > zapping method before moving on to the
                                                            > Roman
                                                            > > coins), and they faded.
                                                            > > > > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an
                                                            > hour
                                                            > > yesterday searching
                                                            > > > > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people).
                                                            > What do
                                                            > > I do after I take
                                                            > > > > them out from the zapper? I've read most of
                                                            > > ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                            > > > > and can't recall if I ever found anything
                                                            > related
                                                            > > to this. Thanks.
                                                            > > > >
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                                                              --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Don Robertson <don_robertson@...> wrote:


                                                              From: Don Robertson <don_robertson@...>
                                                              Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                              To: CoinZappers@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:56 AM


                                                               



                                                              Hi Jerry:

                                                              I am not an expert at this either, but another way to think of it is like water flowing through a pipe. Voltage is the pressure, the water is the current and the pipe is the resistance. A large pipe (or low resistance) lets a large current flow through it. A small pipe (or high resistance) keeps the amount of current to a smaller amount. Maybe that will make it seem a bit more understandable.

                                                              Don

                                                              Don Robertson

                                                              e-mail: don_robertson@ yahoo.com

                                                              --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Jerry Jones <jceaus@yahoo. com> wrote:

                                                              > From: Jerry Jones <jceaus@yahoo. com>
                                                              > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                              > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                              > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:37 PM
                                                              > Wow Don!  I will have to work on
                                                              > this one my friend : )  The results I get are the result of
                                                              > trial and error in addition to reading a few basic
                                                              > electronic papers, etc.  As  a right brained artist I envy
                                                              > those who understand such linear reasoning.  I am about 90%
                                                              > right brained but I am very spatial and creative. 
                                                              >  
                                                              > It is great how we can come together and learn from one
                                                              > another.  However, I am afraid there are fewer of us
                                                              > than you guys : ) Thank you for sharing Don and you are
                                                              > wonderful asset to our group.. Please do share such
                                                              > informaion with us and I will try very hard to understand my
                                                              > friend.. God Bless.. Jerry..  
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com
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                                                              >
                                                              > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Don Robertson <don_robertson@ yahoo.com>
                                                              > wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > From: Don Robertson <don_robertson@ yahoo.com>
                                                              > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                              > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                              > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:11 PM
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >  
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > The formula mentioned here is E=IR, sometimes people say
                                                              > V=IR. E is the Electromotive force or Voltage and R is the
                                                              > resistance, in ohms, in the circuit. I is the current in
                                                              > amperes. The ratio of the resistance to voltage determines
                                                              > what the current will be. The lower the resistance, the
                                                              > higher the current will be. A twelve volt transformer in a
                                                              > circuit with 12 ohms of resistance will try to put out 1 amp
                                                              > of current, no matter what the rating of the transformer is.
                                                              > The current rating of the transformer/ adapter is the
                                                              > maximum that it can put out before it blows a fuse (if it
                                                              > has one in it) or burns up. In cleaning coins, the
                                                              > resistance may vary, depending on several factors. One would
                                                              > be the conductivity of the solution, depending on solution
                                                              > that you are using. Another could be how close the
                                                              > coin/cathode is to the anode. Another might be how corroded
                                                              > the coin is and even the composition of the corrosion.
                                                              > However, whatever the resistance is, the
                                                              > transformer will attempt to put out the maximum current
                                                              > allowed by the resistance in the circuit.
                                                              >
                                                              > I do not know what the optimum voltage would be, but it
                                                              > would be wise to get the transformer that will put out the
                                                              > most current in milliamps that you can get. It is also safer
                                                              > and much less likely to burn up if you accidentally touch
                                                              > the cathode and anode together which would give you zero
                                                              > resistance.
                                                              >
                                                              > Don
                                                              >
                                                              > Don Robertson
                                                              >
                                                              > e-mail:  don_robertson@ yahoo.com
                                                              >
                                                              > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                                              > wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              > > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...>
                                                              > > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                              > > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                              > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 1:50 AM
                                                              > > oh, some points I forgot to
                                                              > > make...  if you are like me, and forgot all
                                                              > > those formulas, and ways of putting the resistors to
                                                              > reduce
                                                              > > the current
                                                              > > and that... then do what I did... get a smaller,
                                                              > tinier DC
                                                              > > adapter, a
                                                              > > coupla volts, and as few milliamps as you can find...
                                                              > > 50-100 is probably
                                                              > > more than you'll need...  but, the lower, the
                                                              > > better.... you want to see
                                                              > > a little bubbling, but if your tray or whatever you
                                                              > zap in
                                                              > > looks like a
                                                              > > carbonated beverage, or the coin/artifact looks like
                                                              > it has
                                                              > > a swarm of
                                                              > > fleas rushing out of it... it's probably going faster
                                                              > than
                                                              > > you really
                                                              > > want it too...
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Another way to control it...  PURE distilled water
                                                              > > will NOT conduct
                                                              > > electricity. .. weird huh?  but true...  add
                                                              > > something to it, almost
                                                              > > anything. and it will conduct electricity. (Some
                                                              > things
                                                              > > work better than
                                                              > > others, like salt :)  Thing is... everyone
                                                              > recommends
                                                              > > against the use of
                                                              > > salt... and I suppose if you take it up to the level
                                                              > of sea
                                                              > > water... not
                                                              > > good...  then again... consider all the shipwrecks
                                                              > in
                                                              > > the ocean (of salt
                                                              > > water) and how well preserved they are... (then again,
                                                              > deep
                                                              > > sea, high
                                                              > > pressure, lack of light, and I believe even reduced
                                                              > amounts
                                                              > > of oxygen,
                                                              > > probably all play a factor)....
                                                              > >
                                                              > > ANYway... my point was...  you don't need
                                                              > > salt...  but in a minuscule
                                                              > > quantity, it would actually be fine...  but the
                                                              > point
                                                              > > is MINUSCULE!!! 
                                                              > > 5-10 GRAINS, granuals, or perhaps 1/20th of a pinch..
                                                              > is
                                                              > > where to start,
                                                              > > with DISTILLED, not filtered, water...  Whatever you
                                                              > > use, Sodium
                                                              > > carbonate, sodium bicarbonate (which I believe is
                                                              > easier to
                                                              > > get (um,
                                                              > > baking soda) (BTW, what is baking powder?) I dunno
                                                              > right
                                                              > > now...  thing
                                                              > > is, whatever you use...  just put in a very
                                                              > > little...  just enough to
                                                              > > get the juices flowing...  If it nothing seems to
                                                              > have
                                                              > > happened after
                                                              > > say 2-3 mins (IOW, no bubbling at all) add another
                                                              > 20th of
                                                              > > a dash, or
                                                              > > maybe a 10th of a dash) and see if it happens...
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Then again, if you have a coupla hundred laying
                                                              > around,
                                                              > > they make some
                                                              > > serious cool power supplies... way back in my
                                                              > "electronic"
                                                              > > days, I had a
                                                              > > helluva cool power supply. it did everything.. . that
                                                              > would
                                                              > > be cool to
                                                              > > play zapping with, you controlled voltage, current
                                                              > limits,
                                                              > > even the
                                                              > > ability to add portions of AC, like the top half of
                                                              > the
                                                              > > wave, or sharpen
                                                              > > it to like triangles, it could be mostly alternating,
                                                              > or
                                                              > > mostly DC...
                                                              > > sorta like adding a little hum, buzz, or tingle to
                                                              > the
                                                              > > DC...  that
                                                              > > woulda coulda been fun to experiment with...
                                                              > >
                                                              > > But, I never got the chance to try that...  my only
                                                              > > point was before I
                                                              > > began my near 3 in the morning babble...  other ways
                                                              > > to go low and
                                                              > > slow...  and with the little time I experimented, I
                                                              > > wound up with the
                                                              > > little itty bitty DC adapter, I think it is 3 volts...
                                                              > (OH
                                                              > > YEAH...
                                                              > > voltage is part of the equation... lower voltage
                                                              > "usually"
                                                              > > results in
                                                              > > lower current, given the same conductive path)
                                                              > >
                                                              > > I'm going to bed, I think I fell asleep, 2-3 times
                                                              > writing
                                                              > > this :) (and
                                                              > > thank goodness for spel chkers)
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                              > > > 
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Hey partner and thanks Dan!  God Bless..
                                                              > Jerry..
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >  http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                              > > > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> > wrote:
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > From: Dan Mancuso <danm@...
                                                              > > <mailto:danm% 40swcp.com> >
                                                              > > > Subject: Re: [CoinZappers] DC adapter
                                                              > > > To: CoinZappers@ yahoogroups. com
                                                              > > <mailto:CoinZappers %40yahoogroups. com>
                                                              > > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:17 PM
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > 
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Hi folks...
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I know y'all are in a hurry to zap a coin... but
                                                              > heck,
                                                              > > zapping turns
                                                              > > > months into seconds and years into minutes...
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > After a bit of experimenting with different
                                                              > voltages,
                                                              > > and what turned
                                                              > > > out to be more important, Current (AMPS, or
                                                              > better
                                                              > > milliamps) I
                                                              > > > discovered as in most things, LOW and SLOW pays
                                                              > > off...
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Seemed if I set the coin on a HIGH burner, High
                                                              > > current... burn was a
                                                              > > > good word... in mere seconds it would not only
                                                              > rip of
                                                              > > the crud, but it
                                                              > > > would melt away that centuries accumulated
                                                              > "patina" so
                                                              > > many love to
                                                              > > > see... Add a few appropriately positioned
                                                              > resistors...
                                                              > > (I used to know
                                                              > > > this from memory, the how many and which way
                                                              > would
                                                              > > reduce or increase
                                                              > > > or... the voltage or current or...) but, it is
                                                              > like a
                                                              > > "T" place on one
                                                              > > > side of the DC supply... (usually +, but i don't
                                                              > think
                                                              > > it really
                                                              > > > matters.... The idea is to reduce the speed that
                                                              > the
                                                              > > zapping happens...
                                                              > > > it makes a difference.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > i.e. - in a recent "AP" auction, I offered two
                                                              > nice
                                                              > > ancient romans...
                                                              > > > and did well when I sold them... I loved the
                                                              > Zapper
                                                              > > Haters remarks at
                                                              > > > the coins I offered... how detailed they were,
                                                              > now
                                                              > > nice they looked...
                                                              > > > had they known they were "Zapped"... I wonder if
                                                              > the
                                                              > > comments would have
                                                              > > > been the same... or the money I got for them.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I will not tell them, and hope no spies are here
                                                              > that
                                                              > > will either... ALL
                                                              > > > parties are happy with the deal, and until this
                                                              > > message, it had been a
                                                              > > > LONG time since I was the only one that new this
                                                              > to be
                                                              > > true.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I have been carrying around another zapped
                                                              > > Contantinius( sp) in my
                                                              > > > pocket, that was zapped to the extreme, with a
                                                              > > "hi-powered" DC supply
                                                              > > > (it was like 13 volts DC, with a coupla amps
                                                              > > available... it was the DC
                                                              > > > supply for an older portable TV) It zapped this
                                                              > lovely
                                                              > > Bronze coin to a
                                                              > > > VERY brand new shiny finish (no damage to the
                                                              > coin
                                                              > > mind you) but now
                                                              > > > that it has been in my pocket for getting near a
                                                              > year
                                                              > > now... and has
                                                              > > > been shown to dozens of people who have been
                                                              > > encouraged to hold and
                                                              > > > examine it (the holding is the important part)
                                                              > They
                                                              > > combined human
                                                              > > > contact, exposure to atmosphere, had begun to
                                                              > return a
                                                              > > more normal
                                                              > > > looking "tone" to this coins... and now the
                                                              > comments I
                                                              > > get from people
                                                              > > > is things like... "Shouldn't that be in a
                                                              > museum?",
                                                              > > "This coin must be
                                                              > > > worth a fortune!", "Is this real?" which is what
                                                              > I
                                                              > > would expect when I
                                                              > > > tell them they are holding a coin from the
                                                              > Ancient
                                                              > > Roman Empire, and it
                                                              > > > is nearly 1700 years old... Instead of, no way,
                                                              > it
                                                              > > looks too new :) It
                                                              > > > still doesn't have that desired Dark Brown
                                                              > "patina"
                                                              > > most folk want to
                                                              > > > see... and it likely won't for say another 1,000
                                                              > > years... so be careful
                                                              > > > zapping... practice on coins that won't suffer to
                                                              > much
                                                              > > if you make a
                                                              > > > mistake... time will likely fix it.. but
                                                              > practicing
                                                              > > and patience will
                                                              > > > pay off when people have NO idea that coin they
                                                              > are
                                                              > > looking at was
                                                              > > > cleaned to near perfection, in 10-15 minutes,
                                                              > rather
                                                              > > that 10-15 months...
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I have some coins sitting to the left of me that
                                                              > have
                                                              > > now been soaking
                                                              > > > in "fancy" powder I spent some money on which
                                                              > was
                                                              > > designed for the slow.
                                                              > > > long, replenish the water weekly method... and
                                                              > they
                                                              > > have been in there
                                                              > > > now for around ten months... a few have been
                                                              > removed
                                                              > > and the cleaning
                                                              > > > completed, but of the say 35 I started with in
                                                              > there,
                                                              > > 30 remain, and
                                                              > > > only a couple more are looking close enough to
                                                              > try to
                                                              > > finish the
                                                              > > > cleaning... I'll give 'em a few more months...
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > in the meantime... when i am ready to clean up
                                                              > some of
                                                              > > the other circles
                                                              > > > of mud I have in the plastic bags... My zapper
                                                              > sits
                                                              > > ready to go... a
                                                              > > > low and slow zap, (10-20 mins, rather than 1-2)
                                                              > and I
                                                              > > will have some
                                                              > > > coins to enjoy, and perhaps sell :)
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Jerry Jones wrote:
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Hey my friend! You can do a lot with the
                                                              > 1000 mA
                                                              > > PS.. Please use
                                                              > > > > sodium bicarb until you locate SC. Salt is
                                                              > out :
                                                              > > ) C, when you
                                                              > > > > remove the coins you can blot dry with a
                                                              > paper
                                                              > > towel and the SC will
                                                              > > > > cause the coins to darken over a period of
                                                              > time.
                                                              > > Or you can drop the
                                                              > > > > coins in white venegar and all activity
                                                              > will
                                                              > > halt. Remove the coins,
                                                              > > > > rinse well and dry.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > As for the converter.. I think it converts
                                                              > AC to
                                                              > > DC. Not sure about
                                                              > > > > the adaptor terminolgy.. Great to see you
                                                              > are
                                                              > > learning my friend..
                                                              > > > > God Bless... Jerry..
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > http://www.ancientc oinstore. com <http://www.ancientc oinstore. com>
                                                              > > > > Hi,
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > I've got a 12VDC/ 1000mA adapter. Is this
                                                              > good? I
                                                              > > tried zapping a few
                                                              > > > > dirty pennies from the forties using salt
                                                              > (I
                                                              > > wanted to perfect my
                                                              > > > > zapping method before moving on to the
                                                              > Roman
                                                              > > coins), and they faded.
                                                              > > > > I'm going to look for SC today (spent an
                                                              > hour
                                                              > > yesterday searching
                                                              > > > > Walmart, asking at least 6 or 7 people).
                                                              > What do
                                                              > > I do after I take
                                                              > > > > them out from the zapper? I've read most of
                                                              > > ancientpeddler. blogspot
                                                              > > > > and can't recall if I ever found anything
                                                              > related
                                                              > > to this. Thanks.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > >
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