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Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden

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  • Isabelo S Alcordo
    Peter:Be You are right. God has never stopped working. Theistic evolution means that God has never stopped working on His creations and creatures. Creations
    Message 1 of 87 , Apr 19 8:35 PM



      You are right. God has never stopped working. Theistic evolution means that God has never stopped working on His creations and creatures. Creations and creatures are never perfect until they have attained divine perfection as God our Universal father declares: "Be perfect even as I am perfect!"  Until then, He cannot stop working.





      -----Original Message-----
      From: Peter Silverstone
      Sent: Apr 19, 2013 1:08 AM
      To: "Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com"
      Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden


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      Isa, Its good to hear that you have studied the bible for thirty year. With that knowledge, one will not have to explain too much to you. First off; God did not create the universe sometimes back in time. As you remember, Jesus said “My father is always working, and so am I” This was an indication that even at the time Jesus appeared, God was still working. Secondly, the Sun and the Moon, were created in the forth creation day. And this sun and moon, are the ones that we use to measure the twenty four hour day. That means that God could not have created the sun and the moon in the fourth day, and yet use the day , which is the time that the earth takes to rotate on its axis and thus create a day and a night, as the parameters for measuring creation time.  Thirdly, from quantum mechanics, we find that matter exists as a supper positioning of quantum wave. Particle is as a result of the collapse of the Wave Structure. That means that unless one is observing, the quantum particle that has manifested matter and the reality that we observe does not exists. And if these quantum states only exists when being observed, the Macro systems that they manifests exists because there are observers. And from epistemological perception of reality, “space” “time” and “material matter”  are mental tools that the human mind uses to make sense of reality. That means that we as observers are the creators of time, and space, which we use to measure conscious experiences.  Reality, as Schrödinger pointed out, is given only once. God, therefore is always creating. But we as observers experience this creation using time, and experience space, and matter.

      From: Isabelo S Alcordo <isalcordo@...>
      To: Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:22 AM
      Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden

      I have studied the Bible for more than 30 years and I found it wanting. The revelations in the Bible demand  a "magical God" who by merely saying "Let there be" created the heavens and all the celestial bodies instantaneously! The scientific fact is that it took billions of years for our planet to consolidate from a gaseous mass and to accumulate space debris and to eventually cool off to form the oceans.
      The creation story of man and woman is another unbelievable thing understood in the so-called "magical powers" of God to bring things into being instantaneously.
      In service to a brother!
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jacob Smith
      Sent: Apr 17, 2013 11:47 AM
      To: "Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com"
      Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden

      The only book we should trust completely is the Bible.

      From: Isabelo S Alcordo <isalcordo@...>
      To: Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden

      The Bible has a very vague understanding, hence revelation,  of what a soul is. The best way to understand "Biblical soul" is "biological life" which is common to all animals and even plants. Such biological life is physically represented by what we call DNA, the hereditary material of all living things. As such, it is subject to evolutionary modifications or changes. For the believers in God, these changes or their evolutions are divinely-guided or planned, thus the term "theistic evolution."  Thus, biological man is said to be the result of theistic evolution.  And biological man, being divinely planned by a Creator from whatever source material into "being or into a 'living soul'" may also be said "to have been created by God!
      The Urantia Book reveals a lot more about man than the Bible. Besides man's biological life which includes the physical brain, God, through the Third Person of the Paradise Trinity, the Infinite Spirit, endowed man with "material MIND" through the "seven adjutant mind spirits" the "seven spirit of God sent out into all the earth"  to evolve in man the qualities or spirits of courage, counsel, knowldge, understanding. intuition, worship, and wisdom. The Universal Father himself also invested or endowed man with a fragment of his pre-personal spirit the THOUGHT ADJUSTER (or the Mystery Monitor) that dwells in man's material MIND. And the UB reveals the evolution of the IMMORTAL SOUL, thus:   
      (111:2.2) The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings—a surviving SOUL of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.
      Get a copy of the UB or access it in the internet: www.urantiabook.org
      Your brother in the spirit.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jacob Smith
      Sent: Apr 11, 2013 7:08 PM
      To: "Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com"
      Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden

      God is above time, he is unaffected by it, because he created it. I would like you to find that part in the scriptures if you don't mind. The Bible sais that god created the earth in 6 days, when he sais that, I believe that time then was the same as it is now. There is also much evidence against evolution. Why would God want to make us in a process that is as slow and destructive as evolution? Those who have reason to support evolution have reason to equate humans with animals, after all, when would God have injected souls into us? Maybe Africans don't have souls since they wouldn't be as evolved as us if evolution is true (I may have tense disagreement here). I do agree that the only way evolution could be true is if it was governed by intelligence. I believe God would have told us if he created us that way, evolution originated as an alternative to the creation story, not in accompaniment with it.

      From: Moon John <BitsyCat1@...>
      To: Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:53 AM
      Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden

      well now. How so? If t his was Gods plan for man,,,,,,,perhaps we had to learn, like the children of Israel had to learn in the desert.Our society had to become more Godlike
      If this is Gods plan how does it contradict the bible>

      God, does not see time as we do…….( YOu raise your eyebrows) But  to him a year is like 10,000( If you wish i can find that scripture to prove it)

      Our time is an invention of man,The day, The week, The hour, The minutes the months.IN different times they were al different measurements

      We tend to forget that not even the MOnths were the same in ancient times, The calendar had not been invented
      Years, may not even h ave been the same, One long season in a new region might have lasted more than a year
      or far less according to he changing of seasons,

      Basicaly its all guess work,But one cannot project our modern day beliefs that things had to be as they are now,,,INcluding how men looked in the past.
      Even today man varies widely  in appearance,,,,,and yet small or large hairy or hairless they are all men

      Species come and go some live some die,,IN the amazon it is said that 20 species of animals a year are wiped out while others appear new( Apparently new ) Since usually they can trace where they came from,
      But the truth is we have not yet discovered everything in rain forests and belts and jungles.

      now you may be right that certain theories may strain belief,,,,,,,,but generally these theories merely refer to migration. The out of africa theory has has some holes punch din it recently,THats why they call them theories

      But if you examine them closely they do not include creation. Only MIGRATION of ancestors

      So im not clear how migration theories violate the bible,
      Now maybe you refer to the proposal of how man looked,
      I think thats probably irrelevant. MAn varies in appearance so much even today . I think appearance is just that

      Appearance des not mean the spirit the Spark of Gods creation is not in a man or ancestor.

      perhaps the idea is merely unappealing,,,,,,,,?

      But that does not make it in error, Still its only a theory and may or may not be correct

      On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Jacob Smith <jpshurricane@...> wrote:

      I don't believe in evolution; it contradicts the Bible.

    • Peter Silverstone
      People keep confusing between Old Testament, and New Testament. Some claim that Old Testament is not correct and New testament is correct. Greater confusion is
      Message 87 of 87 , Jul 24, 2014
        People keep confusing between Old Testament, and New Testament. Some claim that Old Testament is not correct and New testament is correct. Greater confusion is brought by the fact that there are people who deliberately want to mislead others.

        Focus should be on this:-
        Why is the God of Old Testament so violent, and of the New Testament so meek?
        who is Jesus, and why does he appear so humble when his Father, Yahweh, appear so violent?

        The clue is in Zechariah

        God says,
        “The word of Yahweh about Israel. It is I, Yahweh, who speaks, who spread the heaven, and founded the earth, and formed the Spirit of Man, within him.” Zechariah 12:1-2 

        So, what kind of Spirit is Man?

        We read again, from the bible

        ‘Let us make Man, in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts, and all the reptiles that crawl upon the earth’ God created man, in the image of himself, and in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them. “Genesis 1:26-29.  

        So, from the bible we learn that Man has a Spirit, which is the Image and likeness of God! This, is the Spirit of Man!

        Who is Jesus?
        We read again from the Bible
        “I tell you most solemnly, the hour will come-in fact, it is here already-when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and all who hear it, will live. For the Father, who is the source of Life, has made the Son, the source of life, and because he is the Son of Man, has appointed him, supreme judge." John 5:26-28.  

        Jesus therefore is the Son of God (The Spirit of God) and also the Son of Man (The Spirit of Man)

        Yahweh, therefore, is the Spirit of God before He knew Himself as Man, and the Spirit of Man, before He knew himself as the Image of God.
        Christ, therefore, is ow the True Image of God and Man. And he does what he sees his Father, Man and God doing. He holds the keys, to life

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