Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden
As put in the Bible...the clay cannot question the potter...but the instructions were given us out of love. We are merely creatures of our God and must except our place in life and the Universe. The devil was the first to rebel and opposer...causing God pain chaos and being a burden.
Gods will will be done reguardless. He has given us the power of free will to choose....which is generous and perhaps undeserved. He measures our hearts and knows all. The devil is doomed and he is only permitted to exhist because God wants to prove his point to the Angels...his children...whom he owes nothing but loves them reguardless because he created them and they are somewhat a piece or extension of him. If he would have destroyed Satan at his rebellion...the others may have became suspicious to...so out of love and understanding he allows the test to be witnessed on this Earth and its inhabitants so to show that God alone is to rule.
If you have children or pets you can perhaps understand the favor or love he may have for them...understanding they are below him and so has mercy upon them. Our minds can't grasp all reasoning for our minds are limited and not equal to God. so to truly follow the mysteries in our minds and hearts....you will know and feel the desire for the truth and understanding that may be secretly written in our hearts. And the Bible cannot be denied. Ultimatley...we will die. We are limited. We are mere creations. Only God can defeat death by his powers and love. Praise and worship and fear the Holy name of Jehovah God. He alone is worthy.On Apr 11, 2013 11:29 PM, "Cristina Caudill" <ctinacaudill1978@...> wrote:
If you study the Bible you would find that at the tower of Babel God separated n scattered humans for their arrogance in their power of numbers and so I believe that the different races came into play.
Now...the division came based on faith in God is my theory...some who worshipped falsley ...well...their nations were not exulted...and cannibalism n other curseworthy causes added to the seperation and differences in culture and races standing on evolution or mental powers ....however Jesus sais love one another...mortal man and mankind. I believe they are different spiritually ...possibly... He also sais don't put a stumbling block in front of a blindman as well don't harm lesser or inferior humans who capacities are not to be judged or weighed by man...one must be of noble and wise standing to do so.
Also....the devil is smarter and a superior life form to humans and this brings me to wonder if some "smart" people are actually his servants....and I'm sure they are He also was the first innovative thinker aside from God and opposed his rule by choosing to do his own thing and think his own thoughts. Just like the angels in Heaven...some were good and others evil. Their intelligence has never been altered that I have read or deciphered in the Bible...however God's power exceeds all creation.
So...not wise to judge people by their looks...Jesus was a great immortal King....born poor and with no castle army or luxury....not desirable to the eye. Also...let us not forget...Solomon in the Bible ...was a blackman. Don't sweat the small stuff so to speak...some receive the inheritance of the Kingdom...some don't. All different races included.
Something to pray for guidance and accurate knowledge on.....remember ..seek first the Kingdom of God and the rest shall be added unto you.
Hope you are blessed and hope this makes sense to you....I have prayed for knowledge on the differences in races. Take care!On Apr 11, 2013 10:55 PM, "Jacob Smith" <jpshurricane@...> wrote:God is above time, he is unaffected by it, because he created it. I would like you to find that part in the scriptures if you don't mind. The Bible sais that god created the earth in 6 days, when he sais that, I believe that time then was the same as it is now. There is also much evidence against evolution. Why would God want to make us in a process that is as slow and destructive as evolution? Those who have reason to support evolution have reason to equate humans with animals, after all, when would God have injected souls into us? Maybe Africans don't have souls since they wouldn't be as evolved as us if evolution is true (I may have tense disagreement here). I do agree that the only way evolution could be true is if it was governed by intelligence. I believe God would have told us if he created us that way, evolution originated as an alternative to the creation story, not in accompaniment with it.
From: Moon John <BitsyCat1@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] I don't understand the Garden of Eden
well now. How so? If t his was Gods plan for man,,,,,,,perhaps we had to learn, like the children of Israel had to learn in the desert.Our society had to become more GodlikeIf this is Gods plan how does it contradict the bible>God, does not see time as we do…….( YOu raise your eyebrows) But to him a year is like 10,000( If you wish i can find that scripture to prove it)Our time is an invention of man,The day, The week, The hour, The minutes the months.IN different times they were al different measurementsWe tend to forget that not even the MOnths were the same in ancient times, The calendar had not been inventedYears, may not even h ave been the same, One long season in a new region might have lasted more than a yearor far less according to he changing of seasons,Basicaly its all guess work,But one cannot project our modern day beliefs that things had to be as they are now,,,INcluding how men looked in the past.Even today man varies widely in appearance,,,,,and yet small or large hairy or hairless they are all menSpecies come and go some live some die,,IN the amazon it is said that 20 species of animals a year are wiped out while others appear new( Apparently new ) Since usually they can trace where they came from,But the truth is we have not yet discovered everything in rain forests and belts and jungles.now you may be right that certain theories may strain belief,,,,,,,,but generally these theories merely refer to migration. The out of africa theory has has some holes punch din it recently,THats why they call them theoriesBut if you examine them closely they do not include creation. Only MIGRATION of ancestorsSo im not clear how migration theories violate the bible,Now maybe you refer to the proposal of how man looked,I think thats probably irrelevant. MAn varies in appearance so much even today . I think appearance is just thatappearanceAppearance des not mean the spirit the Spark of Gods creation is not in a man or ancestor.perhaps the idea is merely unappealing,,,,,,,,?But that does not make it in error, Still its only a theory and may or may not be correctsmilesjohnOn Apr 1, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Jacob Smith <jpshurricane@...> wrote:
I don't believe in evolution; it contradicts the Bible.
- People keep confusing between Old Testament, and New Testament. Some claim that Old Testament is not correct and New testament is correct. Greater confusion is brought by the fact that there are people who deliberately want to mislead others.Focus should be on this:-Why is the God of Old Testament so violent, and of the New Testament so meek?who is Jesus, and why does he appear so humble when his Father, Yahweh, appear so violent?The clue is in ZechariahGod says,“The word of Yahweh about Israel. It is I, Yahweh, who speaks, who spread the heaven, and founded the earth, and formed the Spirit of Man, within him.” Zechariah 12:1-2So, what kind of Spirit is Man?We read again, from the bible‘Let us make Man, in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts, and all the reptiles that crawl upon the earth’ God created man, in the image of himself, and in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them. “Genesis 1:26-29.So, from the bible we learn that Man has a Spirit, which is the Image and likeness of God! This, is the Spirit of Man!Who is Jesus?We read again from the Bible“I tell you most solemnly, the hour will come-in fact, it is here already-when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and all who hear it, will live. For the Father, who is the source of Life, has made the Son, the source of life, and because he is the Son of Man, has appointed him, supreme judge." John 5:26-28.Jesus therefore is the Son of God (The Spirit of God) and also the Son of Man (The Spirit of Man)Yahweh, therefore, is the Spirit of God before He knew Himself as Man, and the Spirit of Man, before He knew himself as the Image of God.Christ, therefore, is ow the True Image of God and Man. And he does what he sees his Father, Man and God doing. He holds the keys, to life
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