Re: [Christian-Philosophy] Re: Proof of UB's description of the spiritual world; separation between brain-mind
Hi, Bro. Dave and All:
The Jesus Book of the UB reported that Jesus' public ministry was primarily in the area of HEALING the sick of various natures while he left most of the preachings to his apostles. It also reported that Jesus taught his apostles how to heal the sick but did not detail the teachings of Jesus.
You wrote: "Page-738 The physical brain with its associated nervous system possesses innate capacity for response to mind ministry just as the developing mind of a personality possesses a certain innate capacity for spirit receptivity and therefore contains the potentials of spiritual progress and attainment. Intellectual, social, moral, and spiritual evolution are dependent on the mind ministry of the seven adjutant spirits and their superphysical associates."
What these say in summary is: The mind-indwelling spirit of God - Thought Adjuster - has the power to dominate the material mind of man [our mind has the capacity to respond to the ministry of the TA], the spirit-dominated mind of man has the power to dominate the physical brain of man [the brain has the capacity to respond to the ministry of the spirit-dominated mind], and the spirit-mind-dominated physical brain of man has the power to dominate the physical body of man [the physical body has the capacity to respond to the ministry of the spirit-mind-dominate brain].
Since the spirit of God desires only the full well-being of man - spiritually and physically - affirming, impressing, and willing this TRUTH on our mind and impressing the same TRUTH on the brain and, with the mind, willfully instructing the brain to initiate the physiological processes to produce the appropriate chemical substances for the healing of whatever is not well in the physical body is, probably the mechanism of what is known as "spiritual healing."
Obviously, any pharmaceutical or herbal substance or medicine known to help cure the disorder will be of great aid in the healing process. I have been applying this technique for years and it has kept me healthy - and I am now 77 going 78,
From: Brother Dave
Sent: Jan 6, 2013 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] Re: Proof of UB's description of the spiritual world; separation between brain-mind
Hi Isa and all,Being busy, it is good to have some time to interact here. More soon.Yes, the fact that some humans sometimes experience being conscious at a point outside of their body (in addition to the normal consciousness indwelling in the brain) shows that mind is a higher reality than the physical brain. In "Psychology Today" magazine about 20-30 years ago, I read of a girl (maybe 12 yrs old) who had a terrible accident which caused her doctors to remove one hemisphere of her brain. They thought that she would be severely mentally handicapped the rest of her life here. Surprise ! She was able to reprogram her remaining 1/2 brain to accept the higher mind circuits and 90% recover her normal functions ! That caused some scientists to consider that mind is higher and outside of the brain and can recover lost brain capacity and indwell again what is left.Here are some more references of interest from the public domain "The Urantia Book" (TUB)[my brief added comments of explanation are in these square brackets]Page-535 Your [Thought] Adjuster [spirit Essence of God within] memory remains fully intact as you ascend the morontia [higher soul] life. Those mental associations that were purely animalistic and wholly material naturally perished with the physical brain, but everything in your mental life which was worth while, and which had survival value, was counterparted [as the soul you] by the Adjuster and is retained as a part of personal memory all the way through the ascendant career. You will be conscious of all [! wonderful !] your worth-while experiences as you advance from one mansion world to another and from one section of the universe to another--even to Paradise.Page-670 The physiologic equipment and the anatomic structure of all new orders of life are in response to the action of physical law, but the subsequent endowment of mind is a bestowal of the [seven] adjutant mind-spirits [of the Holy Creative Spirit] in accordance with innate brain capacity. Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments.Page-738 The physical brain with its associated nervous system possesses innate capacity for response to mind ministry just as the developing mind of a personality possesses a certain innate capacity for spirit receptivity and therefore contains the potentials of spiritual progress and attainment. Intellectual, social, moral, and spiritual evolution are dependent on the mind ministry of the seven adjutant spirits and their superphysical associates.Page-1203 1. INDWELLING THE MORTAL MINDAdjusters should not be thought of as living in the material brains of human beings. They are not organic parts of the physical creatures of the realms. The Thought Adjuster may more properly be envisaged as indwelling the mortal mind of man rather than as existing within the confines of a single physical organ. And indirectly and unrecognized the Adjuster is constantly communicating with the human subject, especially during those sublime experiences of the worshipful contact of mind with spirit in the superconsciousness. [spirit-led soul.]Page-1230 2. Intellectual (mind) death. When the vital circuits of higher adjutant ministry are disrupted through the aberrations of intellect or because of the partial destruction of the mechanism of the brain, and if these conditions pass a certain critical point of irreparability, the indwelling Adjuster is immediately released to depart for Divinington. [one of seven high (mysterious to us) spheres of the Universal Father next to Paradise] On the universe records a mortal personality is considered to have met with death whenever the essential mind circuits of human will-action have been destroyed. And again, this is death, irrespective of the continuing function of the living mechanism of the physical body. The body minus the volitional mind is no longer human, [but the physical brain sometimes still keeps the heart beating and the body breathing, etc.] but according to the prior choosing of the human will, the soul of such an individual may survive.Page-1230 3. Physical (body and mind) death. When death overtakes a human being, the Adjuster remains in the citadel of the mind until it ceases to function as an intelligent mechanism, about the time that the measurable brain energies cease their rhythmic vital pulsations. Following this dissolution the Adjuster takes leave of the vanishing mind, just as unceremoniously as entry was made years before, and proceeds to Divinington by way of Uversa. [the HQ of our superuniverse of Orvonton]Page-1234 At death the functional identity associated with the human personality is disrupted through the cessation of vital motion. Human personality, while transcending its constituent parts, is dependent on them for functional identity. The stoppage of life destroys the physical brain patterns for mind endowment, and the disruption of mind terminates mortal consciousness. The consciousness of that creature cannot subsequently reappear until a cosmic situation has been arranged which will permit the same human personality again to function in relationship with living energy.Page-1235 The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe. But personality and the relationships between personalities are never scaffolding; mortal memory of personality relationships has cosmic value and will persist. On the mansion worlds you will know and be known, and more, you will remember, and be remembered by, your onetime associates in the short but intriguing life on Urantia." [shortened to Urth long ago and now spelled Earth, our planet]Brother Dave adds: After I was suddenly given my duplicate soul-identity experience in the Spring of 1976, I later read this in TUB !Page-1193 [On our Mystery Monitors:] These faithful custodians of the future career unfailingly duplicate every mental creation with a spiritual counterpart; they are thus slowly and surely re-creating you as you really are (only spiritually) for resurrection on the survival worlds. And all of these exquisite spirit re-creations are being preserved in the emerging reality of your evolving and immortal soul, your morontia self. These realities are actually there, notwithstanding that the Adjuster is seldom able to exalt these duplicate creations sufficiently to exhibit them to the light of consciousness. [Wow ! I am just like me !! 100% in body and 100% as soul out of body and partly a higher Spirit Mystery ! [The Mystery Monitor aka Thought Adjuster or Thought Controller later in life]
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From: Isa <isalcordo@...>
Sent: Sat, October 27, 2012 10:40:47 PM
Subject: [Christian-Philosophy] Re: Proof of UB's description of the spiritual world; separation between brain-mind
Hi, Bro. Dave and All:
Here is Alexander's conclusion about his NDE:
"For me, it's become clear that the best way to look at it is to turn it around and realize that consciousness exists in a much richer form, free and independent of the brain, which has everything to do with the eternity of our souls and the fact that our awareness, our consciousness, our soul, our spirit, does not depend on the existence of the brain in the physical universe. In fact, it's freed up to a much richer knowing when we're outside."
And here is a clear statement from TUB that mind is separate from the brain
3 - (110:1.1) Adjusters should not be thought of as living in the material brains of human beings. They are not organic parts of the physical creatures of the realms. The Thought Adjuster may more properly be envisaged as indwelling the mortal mind of man rather than as existing within the confines of a single physical organ. And indirectly and unrecognized the Adjuster is constantly communicating with the human subject, especially during those sublime experiences of the worshipful contact of mind with spirit in the superconsciousness.
--- In Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com, Brother Dave <truthist@...> wrote:
> Hi Isa, Dorothy & Geoff and all Truth lovers here,
> I shared this here in a post on June 07, 2009 , Post #16849
> In the Spring of AD1976, I was reading an unusual book on Absolute Reality. (Not
> the FER, but I was then also reading that too) This book had some concepts that
> were not familiar with me; but they sounded logical and possible. So, even
> though I was then an agnostic and not praying to God for many years, I silently
> but fervently prayed: "GOD, IS THIS TRUE ??" No voice heard, just a sudden
> recreation of me ! I was 100% in body and then also 100% 2-3 ft up and right
> from my head ad a pure being (soul) just like me ! I said (silently) "WOW ! I am
> just like me !" A wonderful experience. Every thought in my brain was perfectly
> duplicated in me as soul; I am thinking in a reinforced "stereo" -- but
> impossible to convey this two-as-one experience ! Some seconds later, I am now
> partly three-as-one: 100% in body plus 100% out as pure soul plus about 40% up
> at the ceiling as ....DEEP MYSTERY ! (my Mystery Monitor aka Thought Adjuster)
> That was the stimulus to cause me to seek God and more Truth wholeheartedly !
> Just over one year later, after Bible and FER and other spiritual book studies,
> prayers and reflections, I was again, while in prayer, suddenly, unexpectedly
> down-grasped by the Jesus Christ Spirit Luminosity Presence (Light) fusing with
> the God Light above and within me; and I am suddenly taken up into infinite
> Paradise and given the Sacred, Transforming Vision of God and Jesus as One
> infinite Light of Love, Mercy, Power, Presence ...much more beyond words ... My
> final Paradise Destiny was partly revealed to me ... Since that time, I am in
> perfect Paradise peace - the same peace that Jesus had and has ! These deep
> Truths of God and Being and Destiny (and more) continue to become more clear
> each and every day. So, I am a living proof of eternal life to me personally. If
> you have not had this experience, you are still a beloved faith-son of God in
> Jesus in Spirit ! All who believe in a loving Father God should take their
> eternal salvation for granted -- granted freely by Jesus ! Amen ! John
> 12:31-32 and John 16:7-16 are fully true. Also see Rev 21:3-7 and John chapter
> 17. Deep Truths in Spirit.
> For a few years after these God-conscious experiences I read about 12-15 of the
> different Life-after-Life type books, including the one you mentioned. Having my
> personal experiences, I can relate to much that is shared there. I do not
> believe that all humans near death will have the condition of "Decathexis".
> Some talk to their relatives and friends at the death-bed and moments before
> death. One classic statement is "More Light ! Light of the senses; light of mind
> illumination, Light of God's Presence !" Then he died - actually graduated from
> here and ascended up into the next higher soul-level mansion world of seven made
> by Jesus for our rehabilitation to where most humans from normal worlds are in
> status at physical death.
> The Fifth Epochal Revelation (of 2097 pages and fully in the public domain, so
> you may freely share selected gems with others) has many specific details of our
> afterlife and
> eventual ascension into infinite Paradise and God the Universal Father, and much
> more of interest to some sincere, Truth-seeking persons.
> Peace and progress in Spirit and in Father-Son Truth,
> Brother Dave
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> From: Geoff and Dorothy Wood <geoffndot@...>
> To: Christian-Philosophy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 26, 2012 2:34:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Christian-Philosophy] Proof of UB's description of the spiritual
> world; separation between brain-mind
> Thank you for this wonderful story - it has got to be proof of another world of
> existence beyond and following this one - heaven or paradise!
> We are hearing more and more stories like this, thank God.
> >Alexander, a Harvard neurosurgeon, nearly died four years ago when a
> >ferocious E. coli meningitis infection attacked his brain and plunged him
> >deep into a week-long coma. Brain scans showed his entire cortex -- the parts
> >of the brain that give us consciousness, thought, memory and understanding --
> >was not functioning. Doctors gave him little chance to live and told his
> >family that if he did survive he'd probably be brain-damaged for the rest of
> >his life.
> >"Nurses would come in, and they would pull his eyelids back, shine in the
> >flashlight, and his eyes were just off and cocked," Holley Andersen said.
> >"It's just like no one was there."
> >Against all odds, Alexander woke up a week after being stricken. But he
> >believes Holley was right: He wasn't there.
> >Deep in coma, his brain infected so badly only the most primitive parts were
> >working, Alexander claimed he experienced something extraordinary: a journey
> >to Heaven.
> >"In every sense, of the word that's what my experience showed me," Alexander
> >"My first memories from when I was deep inside: I had no language, all my
> >earthly memories were gone," he said. "I had no body awareness at all. I was
> >just a speck of awareness in kind of a dark, murky environment, in roots or
> >vessels or something. And I seemed to be there for a very long time -- I
> >would say years.
> >"I was rescued by this beautiful, spinning, white light that had a melody, an
> >incredibly beautiful melody with it that opened up into a bright valley," he
> >added, "an extremely verdant valley with blossoming flowers and a just
> >incredible, rich, ultra-real world of indescribable complexity."
> >Alexander said there was a young woman who soared across time and space with
> >him on a butterfly wing and gave him a message to take back from Heaven.
> >"She looked at me, and this was with no words, but the concepts came straight
> >into mind: You are love; you are cherished; there's nothing you have to fear;
> >there's nothing you can do wrong," he said.
> >God was there as a vast presence of love, Alexander said, and Alexander
> >understood God through an orb of brilliant light.
> >"It was all of eternity and all of conscious existence," he said. "But it was
> >this brilliant orb of light that was almost as necessary as a translator to
> >bring in that message from the divine and the incredible."
> >After he recovered, Alexander, who was adopted, was shown a picture by his
> >biological family of a sister he had never met or seen before. He recognized
> >the sister as the young woman from Heaven.
> >"I looked up at that picture on my dresser that I had just got and I knew who
> >my guardian angel was on the butterfly wing," he said. "It is the most
> >profound experience I've ever had in this life."
> >Of course, many would call Alexander's experience a hallucination -- but not
> >"I know this is not a hallucination, not a dream, not what we call a
> >confabulation," Alexander said. "I know that it really occurred, and it
> >occurred outside of my brain."
> >It was a near-death experience -- like those reported by thousands of others.
> >But Alexander was determined to prove scientifically that it happened.
> >In his new book, "Proof of Heaven," he raises and then strikes down various
> >hypotheses on how his journey could not happen.
> >Alexander said he is scientifically certain that his stricken brain could
> >never have produced the images and ideas he experienced -- or remembered
> >"If you would have asked me before my coma, How much will someone who is in
> >coma for a week with a severe bacterial meningitis -- so severe that the
> >sugar level ... around my brain, normally around 60-80 and in a bad
> >meningitis maybe down to 20; in my case it went down to 1 -- to me, that's
> >just one piece of evidence of how severe this was. If you'd ask me how much
> >would that patient remember, I'd say nothing," he said. "They wouldn't
> >remember a single thing. ...The severity of the meningitis would have
> >prevented dreams, hallucinations, confabulations, because those things all
> >require a fairly coordinated amount of cortex."
> >Alexander isn't fazed at all by the skeptics. He was one, too.
> >Now he has "proof of Heaven," he said.
> >"For me, it's become clear that the best way to look at it is to turn it
> >around and realize that consciousness exists in a much richer form, free and
> >independent of the brain, which has everything to do with the eternity of our
> >souls and the fact that our awareness, our consciousness, our soul, our
> >spirit, does not depend on the existence of the brain in the physical
> >universe. In fact, it's freed up to a much richer knowing when we're
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