Re: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: to replace or not to replace -- hey n ew cachers!
- The ET Highway and like power runs are special cache cases, and the replacement/swap down the line is recommended by the CACHE OWNERS. Right there on the cace page (or in prep materials). That said, on the associated (same area) ABC run, in more than one spot we found multiple caches. Though, to be fair to those who came later, those hides were film cans chucked in chamisa bushes, not nice little URPs that squirrels and cattle like to raid. ["Film cans.... yummy."]HOWEVER, and here is to my point, there are caches in the areas of Power Runs that are treated as if they are part of the series and they are clearly NOT. Their pages say SPECIFICALLY not to swap containers/logs, etc. But people blow them off. Some because they're only looking at GC#s/Names and not the cache page, some because they don't care. They also drive routes that they are specifically and adamantly told to walk. That's ill-considered caching, and the sort of thing that gets us banned.As finders we all have over eager moments. And I've made that lecture before.Every cacher is different; every hider is different.... and while we know how we got to OUR count, it's ill-conceived (not to mention fruitless) to worry about others'.A modicum of tolerance, and, more, compassion -- which is to put yourself in the other cachers' shoes, or the local muggles, for that matter -- goes the long way. [And we're GOOD at the long way.]You don't have to agree to let folks have their play -- we're ALL judgemental.BUT, while the CO isn't God, the CO is the final arbiter on their cache -- sensible to you or not.So, again, I say to newcomers and everyone: know your CO. Just because one allows something (like replacing) doesn't mean another will.When in doubt, DNF -- and believe me, I hate those blue frowns as much as the next person. They represent MORE work -- takes me a LOT longer NOT to find something, and I still give good log -- not to mention the possibility of a total oops/geosense fart, and, come on, the ego wants to be a super hero.Be nice. Nice is good.BarbJ = *PLAY* on = Tygress
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From: "Toni" <tfbrown@...>
Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: to replace or not to replace -- hey new cachers!
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:52:19 -0000
Oops. That is we replaced 2-3 not "a" 2-3 as in ratings.
--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "Toni" <tfbrown@...> wrote:
> Very well put Barb and a good lesson. My missing caches are mostly lamp post caches, which some people detest and would very much like to do away with. There's no missing where the cache should have been.
> I do not advocate replacing caches simply because you can't find it especially if they have a higher rating. I'm not comfortable replacing caches if I don't know the CO, unless it's in a series. You can't expect CO's of series such as the E.T. Hwy or OK Land Run to maintain them or they wouldn't hide them. Jana and I replaced a 2-3 on the E.T. Hwy and we were FTF! But you can't miss that little rock pile of where it should have been. In case anyone is going to question then how did we know we were FTF, they were in the middle of 325 FTF's we did that day.
> I have replaced caches if I found them destroyed. However, I was scolded once for replacing a cache that I found on the ground, in a puddle, lid off, log gone and I even included a pic of it on my found log. You would think the CO would have appreciated it, but we all have different personalities and different preferences. My preference is for people to feel free to replace one of my caches if the actual hide is easy (even if the puzzle was hard) and besides my rating I usually include a statement about the cache being easy peasy in the description. I'll skip going over my personality. :)
> And we all have dnf's, that's part of this game. I've had off days when I've dnf'd 3-4 in a row and the next time I look for it I walk right to it. doh There are some people who won't mark a dnf. I don't know if they think it's a mark of shame, but it's actually detrimental both to the CO and to the next cacher who tries to find it. Unless it's a newbie who's never done a lamppost cache (I remember my first one), if someone dnf's it the CO knows it's got to be missing.
> --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "gumbietygress@" <gumbietygress@> wrote:
> > Hey, new cachers!As you can see by this aggravated conversation -- folks have different approaches within the freedom of the game of geocaching. And feel pretty strongly with really good reason about them. All ways. TattooBarbie has said it's ok to replace her South Austin EASY caches in kind if you're sure they're not there.Other cachers also give permission (especially for remote caches where it's 50 miles to replace a film can zipped to a fence) -- but CHECK THE CACHE PAGE. Or, if you know the owner, call and ask. [We've been known to employ email from the field -- don't you love technology?!?] But NEVER *assume*! Yes, I have replaced caches WITH PERMISSION. Or if I find the mangled remains (those vertical mowers are BEASTS). [And ALWAYS fess up in the log.]But I have also seen where people replaced caches with the original still there -- the funniest was 2 pill bottles zipped 8 inches apart. The sad are when a really elegant hide gets trumped by someone's lame substitute because they figured they were doing a 'favor' (or couldn't bear a blue frowny). Or the next person who comes along and finds the substitute gets their hindquarters chewed royal and log deleted by the angry cache owner. It happened to me -- how was *I* to know the cache I found wasn't the cache? But MINE, coming along innocently the next day, were the ears boxed. Thanks for setting me up, Impatient Cacher before me. I don't care how experienced you are,JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FIND IT DOES *NOT* MEAN IT WAS NOT THERE TO FIND.Even our remarkable HiDude_98 posts DNFs (and employs phone-a-friends) -- near as I can tell, we're all mortal.Heck. I'll still whiff an obvious one. And you've seen my count. [Especially those black key holders -- I *SUCK* at those. And I think I'm going to give up searching Cabooses entirely.] DNFs are NOT the end of the world -- everybody sings the blues sometimes, consider logging sad a challenge -- and useful information. [And, in this August madness, it's not like Austin is short of caches. Well, at least not for some of us.] I know BigGuy will award a smilie to the first DNF if she's convinced the cache is actually missing, because she's grateful for the information. Tougher hides will not always respond to a DNF -- I have a tough one that gets 1 DNF in 3 hunts. So I'll wait for a string of no finds before checking. Because I *expect* people to have trouble. Yes, perhaps I'm mean bordering on evil, but the difficulty stars are there for a reason. So. There's your rule of thumb.And, while you may not agree, a little thanks is due Toni for attempting to be gracious; especially if her caches are having problems. [It's summer and little bored muggles are out in force, folks!] And don't MOVE a cache, either. You got a better way to hide a cache? Go find your own spot and do it. Don't 'improve' my hide -- even if you ARE right in your brilliance -- it makes owner maintenance a PITA. And I don't get to claim finds on my own now 3-star diff cache.... On the other hand, most of us are VERY grateful if a full or damaged log gets replaced. Note it on the cache page -- the owner may or may not want their paper mache or filled up scratch paper back. So that's my dollar fifty on the matter.Can we shake hands and call our points made, if not aggreed?Thanks. Barb - It's too hot to go barking mad - Tygress
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