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RE: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Austin Stone Walls

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  • Wayne Lind
    Go for it dude, I m fresh out of buses. ... From: GPS Dude [mailto:gpsdude@robuck.net] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:57 PM To:
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      Go for it dude, I'm fresh out of buses.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: GPS Dude [mailto:gpsdude@...]
      Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:57 PM
      To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Austin Stone Walls

      Gee Wayne, thanks a lot for spoiling my idea of the Greenbelt Bus cache!  ;-)

       

      j/k!

      Scott Robuck
      N 30° 12.4'
      W 97° 50.4'

      "Trying is the first step towards failure."

                                    -- Homer Simpson

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Wayne Lind [mailto:wlind@...]
      Sent:
      Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:10 PM
      To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Austin Stone Walls

       

      It could definately be some of the things they suggest, although the idea that a stone wall thrown together in that fashion could hold in livstock seems a little unrealistic. It could also be that these walls came to be simply because the rocks were in the way in the fields. My dad made rockwalls very similar to this in the northern part of Maine as a child growing up on a farm. The rocks made it difficult to cultivate the land for crops, so they were picked up and dumped in long piles that over time took on the resemblence of walls.

       

       In any event, your point is extremely valid! If we have a fellow cacher in the group that can provide definative answers about what should and should not be done about the walls, they are encouraged to come forward and educate the rest of us. For myself, I do not know enough about this to be of any help. In light of this lack of knowledge about the walls I have no problem with not hiding caches in or near the walls. I certainly do not want to be known as a destroyer of Austins history.

       

      Now for the problem. Even if we all say we will not hide or look for caches in the rock walls of the greenbelt, this will not stop new cachers from placing them there. It is going to require a concerted effort on all the centex Geocachers to not hide or seek caches hidden in the walls. We will also need to inform those new folks who hide caches in the walls that they need to be moved and to not search for those caches until they have been.

       

      The reality of this is that it should have little or no impact on anyone's ability to hide a cache in the greenbelt. I have found places where you could hide a bus down there that are not near any walls.

       

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Grajek [mailto:jgrajek@...]
      Sent:
      Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:29 PM
      To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Austin Stone Walls

      http://www.auschron.com/issues/dispatch/2001-01-26/xtra_feature9.
      html

      A little bit of history anyway. As you can see people who have
      researched these walls cannot agree on what they where used for. When
      they were built and who built them.

      I really do not want to get the so called experts involved (Their track
      record in
      Austin really, really sucks). I would agree if we go out en
      masse to repair large sections of the walls, we should consult someone
      like that. I would rather like to leave it at "Let's not hide caches in
      the wall any more." I think that would get the most and best results
      right now. Of course I am just one person with an opinion so....

      I am not sure how get a consensus on not hiding anymore caches in the
      walls as I am new to this group. Is there a way to petition the site not
      to post caches hidden in these walls? Does anyone else feel as strongly
      as I do about this (I tend to get a little more passionate than is
      called for sometimes.)? Should we just drop the issue and move on?
      Should Grajek just shut the heck up and geocache?

      Anyway that is my two cents worth. Not like I am going to chain myself
      to the capital until something is done, I probably will not even lose
      any sleep over it. Maybe this thread is enough.





      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mark Gessner [mailto:mgessner@...]
      Sent:
      Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:01 PM
      To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: Alright, I'll admit it....

      I would respectfully suggest before anyone goes out en masse to
      reconstruct these walls, that a competent archaeologist or local
      historian be consulted, as well as the land manager in charge of the
      greenbelt.  Now, we have a fairly passable university here in town,
      it's not the best of course, for that would be the more "Maroon"
      colored university east of here, but they should have a local history
      department or archaeology department we could consult. :-)

      It is possible from an archaeological standpoint to do more harm than
      good by reconstructing archaeological ruins without an expert on
      hand. 

      First call should be to the land manager, who probably knows more
      about the history and importance of the walls than anyone else at
      this point. 

      This may not end up looking too good for the geocaching hobby if
      damaged archaeological ruins appear to be the result of geocaching,
      whether or not the cache was placed in an area that was already
      damaged to begin with.

      -mark.
      aka 'lowracer.'





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