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  • gumbietygress@juno.com
    I m with Bill. You practiced due dilligence...BarbJ/Tygress ... From: Bill Ellis To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
    Message 1 of 17 , Nov 13, 2012
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      I'm with Bill. You practiced due dilligence...
      BarbJ/Tygress

      ---------- Original Message ----------
      From: Bill Ellis <zionzr2@...>
      To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Question about finding archived caches
      Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:45:22 -0600

      If you found a cache at the given cords, even though its archived I say log it. Esp. if the log or container indicate its the same cache.� I have found and logged a couple archived caches.�


      However, there are certain challenge caches that may require a certain types of cache be found, you will have had to have found it prior to it being archived for it to count for the challenge.�

      But Generally speaking, there is no issues with logging an Archived cache if you have found it.

      On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Dave Marquardt <dave.marquardt.tx@...> wrote:

      So, I found a cache today.� After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the cache had been archived.� But at some point in the past few weeks it was in one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.

      So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is still there and I found it.� The cache in question is GC3Y0N3 Traditional Cache Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.

      Any thoughts on this?� I know we all play the game the way we think is right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.

      -Balde Runner
      �(Dave)

       




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    • Mike Detlefsen
      If I find it, I log it. I have six or seven archived caches in my list of finds. Mike
      Message 2 of 17 , Nov 13, 2012
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        If I find it, I log it. I have six or seven archived caches in my list of finds.

        Mike


        On 13 Nov 2012, at 19:15 , Dave Marquardt wrote:



        So, I found a cache today.  After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the cache had been archived.  But at some point in the past few weeks it was in one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.

        So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is still there and I found it.  The cache in question isGC3Y0N3 Traditional Cache Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.

        Any thoughts on this?  I know we all play the game the way we think is right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.

        -Balde Runner
         (Dave)



      • Russ Jernigan
        I d count it. Did Prime say why it was archived? Russ the Waterweasel -----Original Message----- From: Dave Marquardt Sent: Nov 13, 2012 7:15 PM To:
        Message 3 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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          I'd count it.  Did Prime say why it was archived?

          Russ the Waterweasel

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Dave Marquardt
          Sent: Nov 13, 2012 7:15 PM
          To: "CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com"
          Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Question about finding archived caches

           

          So, I found a cache today.  After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the cache had been archived.  But at some point in the past few weeks it was in one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.

          So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is still there and I found it.  The cache in question is GC3Y0N3 Traditional Cache Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.

          Any thoughts on this?  I know we all play the game the way we think is right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.

          -Balde Runner
           (Dave)

          
          
        • electric_water_boy
          I got an FTF on a cache that was archived because the coordinates were almost 70 miles off. See http://coord.info/GC102Z0 EWB - Tom
          Message 4 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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            I got an FTF on a cache that was archived because the coordinates were almost 70 miles off. See http://coord.info/GC102Z0

            EWB - Tom

            --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Dave Marquardt <dave.marquardt.tx@...> wrote:
            >
            > So, I found a cache today. After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't
            > noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the
            > cache had been archived. But at some point in the past few weeks it was in
            > one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.
            >
            > So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is
            > still there and I found it. The cache in question is
            > *GC3Y0N3<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=fb1a6786-f20e-47fb-8f0a-cabb0ea7d123>
            > * [image: Traditional Cache] Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was
            > archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.
            >
            > Any thoughts on this? I know we all play the game the way we think is
            > right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.
            >
            > -Balde Runner
            > (Dave)
            >
          • Paul Albers
            It would appear that Prime thought the cache was now a challenge cache, which it is not. There is an additional bonus that is a challenge, but there is no
            Message 5 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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              It would appear that Prime thought the cache was now a challenge cache, which it is not. There is
              an additional 'bonus' that is a challenge, but there is no need to do this challenge to claim a smiley
              on the cache. Therefore, this truly isn't an actual challenge cache, just something to help get people
              out into the park to enjoy all the other great hides. The cache owner will add your name to the webpage
              when you complete the challenge, but again it is not required to do so at all to claim a find. You also
              don't get bonus smilies. I don't think Prime actually read the page closely to find this out, just noticed
              the cache page had changed after approval, saw the challenge verbiage, and assumed it was now
              a challenge cache, which is not what he approved. This is not the case, but the page was changed.

              This would make for a great actual challenge cache ( ? puzzle type ), but it would be hard to say if
              Prime would approve. He doesn't like challenge caches that have you finding very specific caches to
              complete the challenge, though there are hundreds of them across the country, including many here
              in Texas that he has approved. It is one of those very subjective rules that plays differently across
              the country.

              Hopefully communication is taking place to get this one activated again. It is not a challenge cache.

              I have other 'ideas' on why this one was snap archived, but I'll keep those to myself.

              -paul
              HiDude_98

              Russ Jernigan wrote:
              I'd count it.  Did Prime say why it was archived?

              Russ the Waterweasel
            • Denise Vajdak
              Before logging an archived cache, I would check with the CO first as to why it was archived and if it s okay to log it. Maybe it was cross-listed and the
              Message 6 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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                Before logging an archived cache, I would check with the CO first as to why it was archived and if it's okay to log it.  

                Maybe it was cross-listed and the duplicate listing was archived.  In that case, I personally would log it on the active listing site only.

                If a cache had been missing and was archived by the owner, they might be excited to know the cache container is still around (and probably got moved), so they might want to put it in another location and create a new smiley opportunity.

                Denise E. Vajdak  ><>  (aka NativTxn)
                http://tx.ag/denise 

                AdvoCare Independent Distributor 





                On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Paul Albers <palbers@...> wrote:
                 

                It would appear that Prime thought the cache was now a challenge cache, which it is not. There is
                an additional 'bonus' that is a challenge, but there is no need to do this challenge to claim a smiley
                on the cache. Therefore, this truly isn't an actual challenge cache, just something to help get people
                out into the park to enjoy all the other great hides. The cache owner will add your name to the webpage
                when you complete the challenge, but again it is not required to do so at all to claim a find. You also
                don't get bonus smilies. I don't think Prime actually read the page closely to find this out, just noticed
                the cache page had changed after approval, saw the challenge verbiage, and assumed it was now
                a challenge cache, which is not what he approved. This is not the case, but the page was changed.

                This would make for a great actual challenge cache ( ? puzzle type ), but it would be hard to say if
                Prime would approve. He doesn't like challenge caches that have you finding very specific caches to
                complete the challenge, though there are hundreds of them across the country, including many here
                in Texas that he has approved. It is one of those very subjective rules that plays differently across
                the country.

                Hopefully communication is taking place to get this one activated again. It is not a challenge cache.

                I have other 'ideas' on why this one was snap archived, but I'll keep those to myself.

                -paul
                HiDude_98



                Russ Jernigan wrote:
                I'd count it.  Did Prime say why it was archived?

                Russ the Waterweasel


              • Indigo Parrish
                ... Here are my thoughts -- If you find a physical cache that is still in the wild and find it as intended and sign the physical log and the cache was
                Message 7 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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                  --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Dave Marquardt <dave.marquardt.tx@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > So, I found a cache today. After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't
                  > noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the
                  > cache had been archived. But at some point in the past few weeks it was in
                  > one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.
                  >
                  > So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is
                  > still there and I found it. The cache in question is
                  > *GC3Y0N3<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=fb1a6786-f20e-47fb-8f0a-cabb0ea7d123>
                  > * [image: Traditional Cache] Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was
                  > archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.
                  >
                  > Any thoughts on this? I know we all play the game the way we think is
                  > right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.

                  Here are my thoughts --

                  If you find a physical cache
                  that is still in the wild
                  and find it as intended
                  and sign the physical log
                  and the cache was published online
                  and it isn't locked from new logs

                  then you post your find even if it's archived.

                  Now there aren't very many such caches in the wild, so hunting them is typically a Fool's Errand. But occasionally you'll stumble across them for whatever reason. I have a few finds like this, and they are like finding real buried treasure :)

                  -Keith (Indigo Parrish)
                • jdh6603
                  Sorry if this posts twice... It s a long story, but the short is that the cache was archived without notice. The container is still there, while I m trying to
                  Message 8 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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                    Sorry if this posts twice...

                    It's a long story, but the short is that the cache was archived without notice. The container is still there, while I'm trying to clear up the confusion and understand the reviewers objections. I don't think the cache violates any guidelines and I'm hopeful I can get it un-archived, perhaps with better wording. I have no objection to you logging the find, except that it might be better to wait until after it is active again, so the reviewer doesn't think I'm advocating ignoring his objections.

                    If anyone knows a guideline I'm missing, please drop me a hint.

                    Happy Caching,
                    John (ATXTracker)



                    --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Dave Marquardt <dave.marquardt.tx@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > So, I found a cache today. After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't
                    > noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the
                    > cache had been archived. But at some point in the past few weeks it was in
                    > one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.
                    >
                    > So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is
                    > still there and I found it. The cache in question is
                    > *GC3Y0N3<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=fb1a6786-f20e-47fb-8f0a-cabb0ea7d123>
                    > * [image: Traditional Cache] Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was
                    > archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.
                    >
                    > Any thoughts on this? I know we all play the game the way we think is
                    > right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.
                    >
                    > -Balde Runner
                    > (Dave)
                    >
                  • semperquestio
                    Prime s statement is pretty clear. Apparently his position is that it was reviewed as being one type of cache but was then modified into being a challenge
                    Message 9 of 17 , Nov 14, 2012
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                      Prime's statement is pretty clear. Apparently his position is that it was reviewed as being one type of cache but was then modified into being a challenge cache who's guidelines are different. If it is true or not, I have no idea and I'm not going to try to sit in any kind of judgement over the issue. All I can suggest is to communicate with Prime about getting it reviewed as a challenge and tweak it as he guides you to until it complies with the guidelines in respect to challenge caches and you can get it re-published. If there are any difficulties with the process you can appeal to Groundspeak.

                      --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "jdh6603" <jdh6603@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Sorry if this posts twice...
                      >
                      > It's a long story, but the short is that the cache was archived without notice. The container is still there, while I'm trying to clear up the confusion and understand the reviewers objections. I don't think the cache violates any guidelines and I'm hopeful I can get it un-archived, perhaps with better wording. I have no objection to you logging the find, except that it might be better to wait until after it is active again, so the reviewer doesn't think I'm advocating ignoring his objections.
                      >
                      > If anyone knows a guideline I'm missing, please drop me a hint.
                      >
                      > Happy Caching,
                      > John (ATXTracker)
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Dave Marquardt <dave.marquardt.tx@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > So, I found a cache today. After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't
                      > > noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the
                      > > cache had been archived. But at some point in the past few weeks it was in
                      > > one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.
                      > >
                      > > So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is
                      > > still there and I found it. The cache in question is
                      > > *GC3Y0N3<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=fb1a6786-f20e-47fb-8f0a-cabb0ea7d123>
                      > > * [image: Traditional Cache] Walnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was
                      > > archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.
                      > >
                      > > Any thoughts on this? I know we all play the game the way we think is
                      > > right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.
                      > >
                      > > -Balde Runner
                      > > (Dave)
                      > >
                      >
                    • Jay Bingham
                      As Keith (Indigo Parish) pointed out, as long as it is not locked from new logs it can be logged. However once it has been locked from new logs it will not
                      Message 10 of 17 , Nov 15, 2012
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                        As Keith (Indigo Parish) pointed out, as long as it is not “locked from new logs” it can be logged. However once it has been “locked from new logs” it will not be possible to log it.

                        I do not know the exact mechanism that is employed to lock a cache from new logs, but I know that it does happen. I found a cache that had been archived and had been found and logged by someone else after it was archived by Prime Reviewer but when I attempted to log it I could not because it had been locked from accepting new logs, when I asked Prime Reviewer about letting me log it he said sorry. I know that locking the logs does not occur simultaneously with archiving, but I suspect that the locking of the logs may occur automatically after a specific period of time once a cache is archived (people who found it before it was archived need to be allowed time to log it, right).

                         

                        --| Jay /\ Bing-GTX
                        |+| Georgetown , TX USA
                        |-- “What you see depends mainly on what you are looking for.”

                         


                        From: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com [mailto: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dave Marquardt
                        Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:16 PM
                        To: CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Question about finding archived caches

                         

                         

                        So, I found a cache today.  After I got home, I discovered why I hadn't noticed when studying a map on geocaching.com, and that was because the cache had been archived.  But at some point in the past few weeks it was in one of my pocket queries and then ended up on my GPSr.

                        So, I've logged the cache, and would like to count it, because the cache is still there and I found it.  The cache in question is GC3Y0N3 Traditional CacheWalnut Creek Achievement Challenge, and was archived by the Prime Reviewer on 11/9/2012.

                        Any thoughts on this?  I know we all play the game the way we think is right, and my thought is to go ahead and count this find.

                        -Balde Runner
                         (Dave)

                      • Mike Detlefsen
                        I ve been roaming around to find some places for new caches the last few weeks, and I have seen more than a few gravel roads branching off paved routes that
                        Message 11 of 17 , Nov 17, 2012
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                          I've been roaming around to find some places for new caches the last few weeks, and I have seen more than a few gravel roads branching off paved routes that are marked as County Roads on my maps (phone/tablet apps from several sources), but they have gates that are closed and padlocked. I would have thought that county roads would have public access. Granted that the maps I'm using could be in error on some of these, but some have physical signs posted identifying them.

                          Anybody have any light to shed on this?

                          Mike
                          jmd65
                        • dirich92@gmail.com
                          A friend of a friend lives out in Mason county. There are a few gates on their road, even though it s a public road. That s to keep the cows in. The gates to
                          Message 12 of 17 , Nov 18, 2012
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                            A friend of a friend lives out in Mason county. There are a few gates on their road, even though it's a public road. That's to keep the cows in. The gates to their house are not locked. But they also told me of neighbors on other roads who do lock their gates, even though it's a public road.

                            Not a spotlight, maybe a candle or two.

                            --Di
                            dirich92

                            --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Detlefsen <mdmeleagro945@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I've been roaming around to find some places for new caches the last few weeks, and I have seen more than a few gravel roads branching off paved routes that are marked as County Roads on my maps (phone/tablet apps from several sources), but they have gates that are closed and padlocked. I would have thought that county roads would have public access. Granted that the maps I'm using could be in error on some of these, but some have physical signs posted identifying them.
                            >
                            > Anybody have any light to shed on this?
                            >
                            > Mike
                            > jmd65
                            >
                          • Luther Rode
                            I live Gillespie County where all the county roads are paved. County roads are identified with a green background and white letters sign (meaning go).
                            Message 13 of 17 , Nov 18, 2012
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                              I liveGillespie County where all the county roads are paved.  County roads are identified with a green background and white letters sign (meaning go).  Private roads are identified with a red background and white letters sign.

                               

                              I there isn’t cache on a private road my advice is do not go there.

                               

                              Huggy Bear Fbg

                              Luther

                               

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 6:50 AM
                              Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: County roads

                               

                              A friend of a friend lives out in Mason county. There are a few gates on their road, even though it's a public road. That's to keep the cows in. The gates to their house are not locked. But they also told me of neighbors on other roads who do lock their gates, even though it's a public road.

                              Not a spotlight, maybe a candle or two.

                              --Di
                              dirich92

                              --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Detlefsen <mdmeleagro945@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I've been roaming around to find some places for new caches the last few weeks, and I have seen more than a few gravel roads branching off paved routes that are marked as County Roads on my maps (phone/tablet apps from several sources), but they have gates that are closed and padlocked. I would have thought that county roads would have public access. Granted that the maps I'm using could be in error on some of these, but some have physical signs posted identifying them.
                              >
                              > Anybody have any light to shed on this?
                              >
                              > Mike
                              > jmd65
                              >

                            • Greg Jewett
                              All.. I would like to post this to the website. I did not cursory google search and came up with nada. I admit that I did not dig that well. If anyone has
                              Message 14 of 17 , Nov 22, 2012
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                                All..

                                I would like to post this to the website.  I did not cursory google search and came up with nada.  I admit that I did not dig that well.   If anyone has any solid information, websites, or anything -- please send it to ammocan@....

                                Thanks!


                                On Nov 18, 2012, at 08:43 AM, Luther Rode wrote:
                                I live Gillespie County where all the county roads are paved.  County roads are identified with a green background and white letters sign (meaning go).  Private roads are identified with a red background and white letters sign.


                                From: dirich92@...
                                A friend of a friend lives out in Mason county. There are a few gates on their road, even though it's a public road. That's to keep the cows in. The gates to their house are not locked. But they also told me of neighbors on other roads who do lock their gates, even though it's a public road.


                                In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Detlefsen <mdmeleagro945@...> wrote:
                                I've been roaming around to find some places for new caches the last few weeks, and I have seen more than a few gravel roads branching off paved routes that are marked as County Roads on my maps (phone/tablet apps from several sources), but they have gates that are closed and padlocked. I would have thought that county roads would have public access. Granted that the maps I'm using could be in error on some of these, but some have physical signs posted identifying them.




                                Greg Jewett
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