Re: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: Heads-up: Austin PARD Geocaching Poli cy
- thank you, Howard.BarbJ =guidelines can be an excellent tool= Tygress
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From: "semperquestio" <sqcaching@...>
Subject: [CentralTexasGeocachers] Re: Heads-up: Austin PARD Geocaching Policy
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:20:07 -0000
First off, before we get any more inflammatory about this, let's all take a deep breath and not get our exercise by jumping to conclusions.
the gentleman I talked to was not indicating he was in any way anti-geocaching. He was aware of it and had put in policies elsewhere when it had become an issue there. I very much got the impression that he is not against caching, but wants to get some guidelines in place. I'm sure he has concerns about liability, safety, maintenance, and more.
When I spoke to him I made it clear that he is welcome to contact me at any time to discuss caching and that I could easily contact other folks if needed and he sounded genuinely appreciative of the offer.
If we can get involved and get some guidelines in place, I think this could be a very good thing. We would then have rules in place we can point to instead of having a mish-mash of opinions and assumptions.
So let's all take a deep breath, step back, put away the pitchforks, and not just assume the worst. We have an opportunity here to actually do something good for caching in the Austin area. If we can get a good thing in place in Austin, it could act as a template for the entire region if the issue of rules comes up in any other community.
So without getting all up in arms, does anyone in the group have experience hammering out caching policies with land managers? Keep in mind that at least this 1 guy has been to this rodeo. Dunno about anyone else in PARD.
In any case, Kevin is absolutely correct. We can't all bash PARD or we gonna be seen as a mob of zealots. This needs to be approached in a reasonable fashion so we will be listened to.
Sorry if this sounds rambling, but I'm just kinda free-thinking here and banging out whatever comes to mind.
--- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin (KoosKoos)" <centexgeocaching@...> wrote:
> Just a couple of quick points....first, I'm really disappointed that an
> area manager sees geocaching as a negative aspect of park visitation. I
> remember discussing it almost 7 years ago with Joan Singh, the south area
> manager, and her comment was yes, PARD is aware of geocaching and they
> don't have a reason to create a policy as long as we stayed out of the
> protected areas.
> On a moderator note, I understand this is a highly emotional issue, but
> please keep in mind that it's an open list and PARD representatives could
> be here, so be sure to keep the conversation respectful.
> I'd say this is a great opportunity for our TXGA regional representative to
> work on contacting Austin PARD to make sure we have a voice in the
> discussions. I'd rather see a couple of people appointed as liaisons than
> a bunch of us bombarding them from every direction.
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, <shawnolsen@...> wrote:
> > **
> > **
> > GOOD GREIF... heaven forbid the parks get visited by people who are not
> > walking their dog, throwing balls, having clandestine relationships,
> > fishing, riding bicycles, skateboarding ...It is really, REALLY dumb that
> > there is even an issue all we do is walk around with a gps, or a cell phone
> > (like everyone else) ...! Are these fools really that narrow minded?
> > Best,
> > Shawn/S6sputnik
> > In a message dated 3/27/2012 10:11:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > sqcaching@... writes:
> > I forgot to mention that he requests that no more caches be placed in any
> > Austin parks, particularly in the NW district, until the policy is hammered
> > out and published on the PARD website. He/they are also likely to contact
> > Geocaching.com to put Austin parks out of bounds until said policy is in
> > place.
> > --- In CentralTexasGeocachers@yahoogroups.com, "semperquestio" <sqcaching@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > OK guys. Here we go. I had occasion to speak to the manager of the
> > Austin PARD NW District which is defined as the area of Austin North of
> > Cesar Chavez and west of Lamar.
> > >
> > > Turns out he is quite familiar with geocaching having dealt with caching
> > in public spaces in Pennsylvania and developing a policy there.
> > >
> > > He said that Austin PARD has no official policy in regards to
> > geocaching, but his stand for his district is that any caches placed in his
> > district are there without permission and should be removed. They won't be
> > hunting down caches for removal, but if they come across one, they will
> > remove it. If the owner's info is on them, the owner may be contacted to
> > get their cache back. He could not speak to the position of the other
> > District Managers.
> > >
> > > At present he is in talks with other District Managers and PARD in
> > general to develop a geocaching policy which will apply to all Austin parks
> > to define what spaces allow caches and what would be required to obtain
> > permission. He did not mention anything about grandfathering existing
> > caches.
> > >
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