Re: [CF] Re: Scooters (was: looking for suggestions)
- In the UK there's no emmissions test for motorbikes during the MOT like there is for cars. I don't recall if US does emissions check during the safety check.
"Tom Frost Jr." <tomfrostjr@...> wrote:
> =v= Consider carefully. Because they are not so thoroughlyTF: Please assure us that you didn't just make this up, by citing what
> regulated, some scooter engines actually pollute more than car
> engines do!
study you got it from.
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- On 11/17/06, Tom Frost Jr. <tomfrostjr@...> wrote:
>I'd probably cite a different study, but can't type the Chinese well
> "_Jym_" wrote:
> > =v= Consider carefully. Because they are not so thoroughly
> > regulated, some scooter engines actually pollute more than car
> > engines do!
> TF: Please assure us that you didn't just make this up, by citing what
> study you got it from.
on this keyboard. There's been a good bit of research in Taiwan on
this subject, scooters are everywhere ("gnats of the streets"). Part
(maybe all) of the problem is the use of 2-stroke engines with the
smaller, more common (being cheaper) scooters.
(again, note Jym's use of the term "some").
"Commit early,commit often, and commit in a repository from which we can easily
roll-back your mistakes" (AJR, 4Jan05).
> Part (maybe all) of the problem is the use of 2-stroke engines=v= As in Asia, so in the North America and Europe. These are
> with the smaller, more common (being cheaper) scooters.
the most popular scooters, they pollute more than cars (some
more than SUVs), and since emissions laws often hinge on engine
size, they are often completely unregulated.
=v= Put "scooter" and "pollution" into a search engine and
you'll find no shortage of documentation for the problem. Plus
much talk about electric! hybrid! hydrogen! scooters to solve
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go 15 miles an hour because we're trying to kill each other,
and it's pretty stupid. The government is helping us do it,
in my opinion, through the military-industrial-complex
conspiracy with all the oil companies and the auto companies.
We're going faster, we're killing everybody and we're angry
all the time. The only way to fix that is to tear up all
the asphalt. I'm going to start doing it, one pothole at a
time. Dig a pothole, save the world!
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- On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Jym Dyer wrote:
> =v= Put "scooter" and "pollution" into a search engine andNo, that won't solve everything. But IMHO an electric scooter could make
> you'll find no shortage of documentation for the problem. Plus
> much talk about electric! hybrid! hydrogen! scooters to solve
> the problem.
sense if it really replaces a car. (this is from the European scene.) At
least, smaller vehicles use less road space, running energy and resources
to produce. Also, I think it could be very good if people started to think
"what size of vehicle do I actually need for this trip?" and select from
the large flora of walking - inlines - bike - recubent bike - velomobile -
assisted velomobile - electric motorcycle - car/EV without prejudice.
If you make a fuel-efficient small electrical scooter(moped) - it would
actually make lot's of sense to be able to use the user-supplied 100-300W
motor - ie make it a electric/HPV-hybrid :-). There are lots of such
interesting vehicles, that perhaps could help you keeping carfree:
Waw velomobile (can be had with assist, pretty fast without also)
and of course almost all common and recumbent bikes (and the other
velomobiles - don't know what you can get in the US) can be had with e-motor.
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