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  • Chris Jordan
    I have heard this before... words I wanted to hear... solutions to getting around... letting arabs drown in oil they cannot sell or give away... 1974 or 1975;
    Message 1 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
      I have heard this before... words I wanted to hear... solutions to
      getting around... letting arabs drown in oil they cannot sell or
      give away... 1974 or 1975; I believe. Ignored then, but hopefully
      not in 2006.

      The president goes on and on reminding us US people of our
      dependence on hostile countries for oil, but it was pooh poohed
      in the 1975 time and now rich arabs have built up nuclear
      weapons with american money.

      I believe the damage is done. Very hard to backtrack. It is no
      longer just a concern about global warming, climate change,
      China competeing for oil, or other mounting world problems.

      Something about closing the barn door after the animals got out
      comes to mind...

      I can only hope for the best.

      Chris Jordan
    • mike_in_fort_collins
      I was encouraged to at least have an acknowledgement of an oil addiction problem in the State of the Union message. I was discouraged that any notion of
      Message 2 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
        I was encouraged to at least have an acknowledgement of an "oil
        addiction problem" in the State of the Union message.

        I was discouraged that any notion of addressing this issue was either
        vague or a limited partial solution towards a "technology saves the
        day" approach. New technology is one important part, but is not a
        single silver bullet.

        > Something about closing the barn door after the animals got out
        > comes to mind...

        While I agree with you on this sentiment, we have the problem with
        the "barn" that needs to be addressed.

        --mev, Mike Vermeulen
      • dub_scratch
        ... This is part of the problem that Jim Kunstler has identified. People don t understand the relationship between technology and energy. Technology is the
        Message 3 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
          --- In CarFree@yahoogroups.com, "mike_in_fort_collins" <mike_in_fort_collins@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > I was encouraged to at least have an acknowledgement of an "oil
          > addiction problem" in the State of the Union message.
          >
          > I was discouraged that any notion of addressing this issue was either
          > vague or a limited partial solution towards a "technology saves the
          > day" approach. New technology is one important part, but is not a
          > single silver bullet.

          This is part of the problem that Jim Kunstler has identified. People
          don't understand the relationship between technology and energy.

          Technology is the means for deploying energy use and consumption.
          It is an embodiment of energy that in-turn enables energy use.
          The technology of cars take energy to build and in-turn run
          on energy. This technological paradigm always results in the
          sucking of more energy. This is why building greater efficiency cars
          does not solve energy dependence because these gains encourage
          the expansion of the fleet and greater car dependence (a.k.a. Jevon's
          Paradox).

          Similar to the relation ship of technology and energy, casino gaming
          is a means for deploying gambling activity. Casino gaming is also
          enabled by gambling with the revenue that is generated by it. The
          gaming enterprise exist because of the money lost by the customers,
          and the gamblers have a place to go because casino gaming exist.

          So now our leader is admitting that we are addicted to oil. This is
          a bold statement not unlike an addicted gambler admitting to his
          or her addiction-- a big first step to get beyond denial.

          Yet by Bush citing technology as the solution to our addiction he is
          retreating back to a form of denial. This is as if the addicted gambler
          admits his addiction but then cites his problem with the types of games
          he has been playing and the casinos he has been going to.

          Admitting the problem is a big first step, but as we can see, there
          is a long way to go.
        • De Clarke
          JOSEPH T. HALLINAN, WALL STREET - Auto ads, a major source of newspaper-classified advertising, have been slipping steadily for nearly two years. But the
          Message 4 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
            JOSEPH T. HALLINAN, WALL STREET - Auto ads, a major source of
            newspaper-classified advertising, have been slipping steadily
            for nearly two years. But the slippage may be turning into a
            landslide. Last week, Tribune Co. said auto-classified revenue
            at its newspapers plunged 16% in December. Also last week, Lee
            Enterprises Inc., publisher of papers such as the St. Louis
            Post-Dispatch, reported a 15.2% drop in auto advertising for
            the fourth quarter. On Wednesday, McClatchy Co. reported a 20%
            decline for December, saying the downturn in car ads had
            finally reached its West Coast papers, the biggest of which is
            the Sacramento Bee, in the heart of California's car culture. .
            . The decline adds to the woes of the newspaper industry,
            already losing circulation to the Internet. For years, fat
            sections of car ads were a dependable source of business for
            newspaper publishers, accounting for 30% of the industry's
            total classified ad revenue of $16.6 billion in 2004, the last
            full year for which figures are available. Even as a migration
            of job ads to the Internet took a big bite out of newspaper
            employment classifieds from 2000 to 2003, auto ads held up.
            That began to change in 2004.

            ----------------------------------------------------

            I see lots of car ads in online media. can it be that the
            advertisers have concluded that their core demographic (young
            male irresponsible spenders) have abandoned print media?

            de

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          • Mark
            It s probably that people are buying used cars through Craigslist instead of the web. ... -- --
            Message 5 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
              It's probably that people are buying used cars through
              Craigslist instead of the web.

              De Clarke wrote:
              >
              > JOSEPH T. HALLINAN, WALL STREET - Auto ads, a major source of
              > newspaper-classified advertising, have been slipping steadily
              > for nearly two years. But the slippage may be turning into a
              > landslide. Last week, Tribune Co. said auto-classified revenue
              > at its newspapers plunged 16% in December. Also last week, Lee
              > Enterprises Inc., publisher of papers such as the St. Louis
              > Post-Dispatch, reported a 15.2% drop in auto advertising for
              > the fourth quarter. On Wednesday, McClatchy Co. reported a 20%
              > decline for December, saying the downturn in car ads had
              > finally reached its West Coast papers, the biggest of which is
              > the Sacramento Bee, in the heart of California's car culture. .
              > . The decline adds to the woes of the newspaper industry,
              > already losing circulation to the Internet. For years, fat
              > sections of car ads were a dependable source of business for
              > newspaper publishers, accounting for 30% of the industry's
              > total classified ad revenue of $16.6 billion in 2004, the last
              > full year for which figures are available. Even as a migration
              > of job ads to the Internet took a big bite out of newspaper
              > employment classifieds from 2000 to 2003, auto ads held up.
              > That began to change in 2004.
              >
              > ----------------------------------------------------
              >
              > I see lots of car ads in online media. can it be that the
              > advertisers have concluded that their core demographic (young
              > male irresponsible spenders) have abandoned print media?
              >
              > de
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              > ............................................................................
              > :De Clarke, Software Engineer UCO/Lick Observatory, UCSC:
              > :Mail: de@... | Your planet's immune system is trying to get rid :
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            • Tom Frost Jr.
              Not all of the pooh-poohing in the early 1970s was bad. The good element of it consisted of a lesson from my mother: She told me that my desire to see arabs
              Message 6 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
                Not all of the pooh-poohing in the early 1970s was bad. The good
                element of it consisted of a lesson from my mother: She told me that
                my desire to see arabs drown in oil that they can't sell, was racist.
                And she was right.

                Relax. The nukings that you predict the dark-skinned faction of our
                enemies doing on America because the fact that they're not peons
                anymore gives them the capability, will be of a vastly smaller and
                more-scattered variety - indeed, probably just enough for "the best"
                degree of much-needed population control - than the variety that we
                were predicting back when the faction giving us an incentive not to
                bully it was the light-skinned one.

                - TF


                --- In CarFree@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Jordan" <chrisjordan7257@...>
                wrote:
                >
                > I have heard this before... words I wanted to hear... solutions to
                > getting around... letting arabs drown in oil they cannot sell or
                > give away... 1974 or 1975; I believe. Ignored then, but hopefully
                > not in 2006.
                >
                > The president goes on and on reminding us US people of our
                > dependence on hostile countries for oil, but it was pooh poohed
                > in the 1975 time and now rich arabs have built up nuclear
                > weapons with american money.
                >
                > I believe the damage is done. Very hard to backtrack. It is no
                > longer just a concern about global warming, climate change,
                > China competeing for oil, or other mounting world problems.
                >
                > Something about closing the barn door after the animals got out
                > comes to mind...
                >
                > I can only hope for the best.
                >
                > Chris Jordan
                >
              • ensignaurora
                Curious ....................................... ............................the way I see this annoucement is that it will be used to justify drilling and such
                Message 7 of 7 , Feb 1, 2006
                  Curious .......................................

                  ............................the way I see this annoucement is that it
                  will be used to justify drilling and such anywhere else, forests and
                  animals and beaches be damned!

                  -Traci
                  ("Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My!"--(wtte), "The Wizard of Oz")
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