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  • Ernie Schreiber
    A recent posting in the on-line edition of the German magazine Der Spiegel shows a blatant attempt by the Vatican to whitewash the recent discovery of sex
    Message 1 of 4 , Feb 3 7:20 AM
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      A recent posting in the on-line edition of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" shows a blatant attempt by the Vatican to whitewash the recent discovery of sex crimes by clergy and the attempt to hide them by Cardinal Mahony of California (now retired) who did all he could to obstruct justice and get away with it.

      Here is the article with a translation to show the construction of this scam:

      This article appeared in the on-line Internet issue of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" on Saturday, February 2nd, 2013:

      (see link below)

      <http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/erzbischof-mueller-kritisiert-pogromstimmung-gegen-katholische-kirche-a-881063.html>

      Rom - Gerhard Ludwig Müller ist einer der mächtigsten Männer der katholischen Kirche. In einem Interview mit der Zeitung "Die Welt" hat er nun eine aufkommende "Pogromstimmung" gegen die katholische Kirche kritisiert. Der Präfekt der Glaubenskongregation im Vatikan verwies dabei auf "gezielte Diskreditierungskampagnen gegen die katholische Kirche in Nordamerika und auch bei uns in Europa". Diese hätten erreicht, "dass Geistliche in manchen Bereichen schon jetzt ganz öffentlich angepöbelt werden", sagte Erzbischof Müller.

      [Rome: Gerhard Ludwig Mueller is one of the most powerful men of the catholic church, During an interview with the newspaper "Die Welt" (the world) he criticized the rise of a pogrom mood against the catholic church. The apostolic prefect of the congregation in the Vatican refers to a "targeted campaign to discredit the catholic church in North America and also here in Europe. This resulted in clergy in some areas here already being abused in public places," said archbishop Mueller.]

      So wachse eine künstlich erzeugte Wut, "die gelegentlich schon heute an eine Pogromstimmung erinnert". Im Internet und auch im Fernsehen würden Attacken gegen die katholische Kirche geritten, deren Rüstzeug zurückgehe auf den Kampf der totalitären Ideologien gegen das Christentum.

      [Thus an artificially created furor that "at times reminds one already today of a pogrom-mood." In the Internet and also on television attacks are ridden against the catholic church whose armor dates back to the fights of totalitarian ideologies against Christianity.]

      Beim innerkirchlichen Dialog in Deutschland, beispielsweise zwischen Bischöfen und kritischen Laien, müsse auch über das Wesentliche geredet werden - statt die gleichen Probleme immer wieder neu aufzutischen, sagte Müller. Das geforderte sakramentale Weiheamt für Frauen beispielsweise sei unmöglich, die katholische Kirche könne auch gleichgeschlechtliche Partnerschaften nicht akzeptieren. "Solche Partnerschaften sind grundsätzlich in keiner Weise mit den Ehen gleichzustellen."

      [In internal church dialogues in Germany for example, between Bishops and critical laics the substantial elements must be discussed - rather than repeating the same old problems anew, says Mueller. The demand for the ordination of women, for example, is impossible, and also same sex partnerships cannot be accepted. "Such partnerships cannot basically in any way be equal to a marriage."]

      Müller bekräftigte auch, am Pflichtzölibat für Priester festzuhalten, denn deren Ehelosigkeit entspreche "dem Beispiel und dem Wort Jesu." Vor seiner Ernennung zum Praefekten der Glaubenskongregation durch Papst Benedikt XVI? Im vergangenen Jahr war Müller Bischof von Regensburg. Die Glaubenskongregation wurde mit dem Ziel geschaffen, die Kirche vor abweichenden Glaubensvorstellungen zu schützen.

      [Mueller also reaffirmed the maintenance of priestly celibacy because not being married conforms with "the example and the word of Jesus." Prior to his appointment as Prefect of the Faithcongregation by Pope Benedict XVI last year, Mueller was Bishop of Regensburg. The Faithcongregation was created with the aim to protect the church from divergent beliefs.

      aar/dpa

      So please, people, don't address your clergyman with "hello Jerk" but still call him "Hochwuerden" or "your eminence" and go down at least on one knee!

      ---------------

      Obviously, the Vatican was not amused by the results of a recent Los Angeles Court case. Below is a link to the article in question to remind of the original cause of the ruckus. Finally some secular court had the impertinence to convict some holy clergy (which we should only approach on bended knee) of crimes committed against youngsters for whom all clergy ought to act as an example of rectitude and godliness.
      [Link:]

      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/us/church-documents-released-after-years-of-resistance.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130202&_r=0

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      Food for rational thought? What credence does one allow a statement by a Vatican official who is supposed to do damage control from a newly appointed office in order to solidify the faith of the flock that might decide to turn away from the catholic church? To warn people about evil "totalitarian ideologies" when the catholic church itself has a past of torture, rape, and totalitarian dictatorial powers in witchburnings and putting people on the rack for disagreeing with some church dogma? The catholic church provides the best example through its own history of a vile dictatorship!



      Regards.
      H. E. [Ernie] Schreiber
      EUNACOM Secular Journal: http://eunacom.net
      Discussion List Server at: <eunacom@yahoogroups.com>



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    • Judy Weismonger
      Roman Catholic Priests raping children has been going on since the 4th century AD, and this disgusting church needs to be closed permanently. We can t do that,
      Message 2 of 4 , Feb 3 7:37 AM
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        Roman Catholic Priests raping children has been going on since the 4th century AD, and this disgusting church needs to be closed permanently. We can't do that, but what we can do is exposing and making fun of priests in public, sign petitions to get them away from children, put up signs, organize Atheists in every community where there is a catholic church to hold signs in front of churches on Sunday mass, and generally be as vigilant as possible for every infraction...Letters to editors sometimes work. This is a criminal organization that has used extortion, blackmail, and threats for 1500 years to abuse human beings. Enough is enough.
         
        What I do know is that because of all the bad exposure, the Vatican has lost 30% of its paying customers, and is financially hurting to the point it is selling off major church properties.
        Judy

        Sound thinking is the greatest virtue and wisdom: to speak the
        truth and to act on the basis of an understanding of the nature of things"--
        Heraclitus of Ephesus


        ________________________________
        From: Ernie Schreiber <eunacom@...>
        To: CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:20 AM
        Subject: [CanadianAtheist] The top of hypocrisy...


         

        A recent posting in the on-line edition of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" shows a blatant attempt by the Vatican to whitewash the recent discovery of sex crimes by clergy and the attempt to hide them by Cardinal Mahony of California (now retired) who did all he could to obstruct justice and get away with it.

        Here is the article with a translation to show the construction of this scam:

        This article appeared in the on-line Internet issue of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" on Saturday, February 2nd, 2013:

        (see link below)

        http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/erzbischof-mueller-kritisiert-pogromstimmung-gegen-katholische-kirche-a-881063.html>

        Rom - Gerhard Ludwig Müller ist einer der mächtigsten Männer der katholischen Kirche. In einem Interview mit der Zeitung "Die Welt" hat er nun eine aufkommende "Pogromstimmung" gegen die katholische Kirche kritisiert. Der Präfekt der Glaubenskongregation im Vatikan verwies dabei auf "gezielte Diskreditierungskampagnen gegen die katholische Kirche in Nordamerika und auch bei uns in Europa". Diese hätten erreicht, "dass Geistliche in manchen Bereichen schon jetzt ganz öffentlich angepöbelt werden", sagte Erzbischof Müller.

        [Rome: Gerhard Ludwig Mueller is one of the most powerful men of the catholic church, During an interview with the newspaper "Die Welt" (the world) he criticized the rise of a pogrom mood against the catholic church. The apostolic prefect of the congregation in the Vatican refers to a "targeted campaign to discredit the catholic church in North America and also here in Europe. This resulted in clergy in some areas here already being abused in public places," said archbishop Mueller.]

        So wachse eine künstlich erzeugte Wut, "die gelegentlich schon heute an eine Pogromstimmung erinnert". Im Internet und auch im Fernsehen würden Attacken gegen die katholische Kirche geritten, deren Rüstzeug zurückgehe auf den Kampf der totalitären Ideologien gegen das Christentum.

        [Thus an artificially created furor that "at times reminds one already today of a pogrom-mood." In the Internet and also on television attacks are ridden against the catholic church whose armor dates back to the fights of totalitarian ideologies against Christianity.]

        Beim innerkirchlichen Dialog in Deutschland, beispielsweise zwischen Bischöfen und kritischen Laien, müsse auch über das Wesentliche geredet werden - statt die gleichen Probleme immer wieder neu aufzutischen, sagte Müller. Das geforderte sakramentale Weiheamt für Frauen beispielsweise sei unmöglich, die katholische Kirche könne auch gleichgeschlechtliche Partnerschaften nicht akzeptieren. "Solche Partnerschaften sind grundsätzlich in keiner Weise mit den Ehen gleichzustellen."

        [In internal church dialogues in Germany for example, between Bishops and critical laics the substantial elements must be discussed - rather than repeating the same old problems anew, says Mueller. The demand for the ordination of women, for example, is impossible, and also same sex partnerships cannot be accepted. "Such partnerships cannot basically in any way be equal to a marriage."]

        Müller bekräftigte auch, am Pflichtzölibat für Priester festzuhalten, denn deren Ehelosigkeit entspreche "dem Beispiel und dem Wort Jesu." Vor seiner Ernennung zum Praefekten der Glaubenskongregation durch Papst Benedikt XVI? Im vergangenen Jahr war Müller Bischof von Regensburg. Die Glaubenskongregation wurde mit dem Ziel geschaffen, die Kirche vor abweichenden Glaubensvorstellungen zu schützen.

        [Mueller also reaffirmed the maintenance of priestly celibacy because not being married conforms with "the example and the word of Jesus." Prior to his appointment as Prefect of the Faithcongregation by Pope Benedict XVI last year, Mueller was Bishop of Regensburg. The Faithcongregation was created with the aim to protect the church from divergent beliefs.

        aar/dpa

        So please, people, don't address your clergyman with "hello Jerk" but still call him "Hochwuerden" or "your eminence" and go down at least on one knee!

        ---------------

        Obviously, the Vatican was not amused by the results of a recent Los Angeles Court case. Below is a link to the article in question to remind of the original cause of the ruckus. Finally some secular court had the impertinence to convict some holy clergy (which we should only approach on bended knee) of crimes committed against youngsters for whom all clergy ought to act as an example of rectitude and godliness.
        [Link:]

        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/us/church-documents-released-after-years-of-resistance.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130202&_r=0

        -------------------

        Food for rational thought? What credence does one allow a statement by a Vatican official who is supposed to do damage control from a newly appointed office in order to solidify the faith of the flock that might decide to turn away from the catholic church? To warn people about evil "totalitarian ideologies" when the catholic church itself has a past of torture, rape, and totalitarian dictatorial powers in witchburnings and putting people on the rack for disagreeing with some church dogma? The catholic church provides the best example through its own history of a vile dictatorship!

        Regards.
        H. E. [Ernie] Schreiber
        EUNACOM Secular Journal: http://eunacom.net/
        Discussion List Server at: mailto:eunacom%40yahoogroups.com>

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      • Judy Weismonger
        Obama s Commies are going to hate this: IF we re truly SERIOUS about making America a SAFER place TO LIVE then consider this... In America last year..Death by
        Message 3 of 4 , Feb 3 8:09 AM
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          Obama's Commies are going to hate this:
          IF we're truly SERIOUS about making America a SAFER place TO LIVE then consider this...
          In America last year..Death by GUNS----31,940 {19,766 are SUICIDES BTW}
          In America last year..Deaths by the MEDICAL SYSTEM-----783,936 {I can break this down in detail if you need me to}
          In America last year...Death by cigarettes----- 482,000...
          In America last year--- Deaths that are alcohol related...75,000
          Deaths by medical profession compared to Guns....Medical profession TWENTY FIVE{25} times more deaths than by GUNS...
          Deaths from smoking in the U.s. compared to GUNS.. SIXTEEN {16} times more deaths in the U.s. from smoking than by GUNS..
          Deaths cause by alcohol...TWO{2.3} times more deaths in the U.s. From alcohol than from GUNS..
          NOW....IF WE ARE TRULY SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING A SAFER AMERICA, THEN DON'T YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO TACKLE THE PROBLEMS FROM WORST TO LEAST INSTEAD OF TACKLING FROM LEAST TO WORST FIRST?...

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        • david danel
          hello, why are you so full of hatred? Btw, what should people do when the rapists are Atheists? Show up signs, make fun of Atheist teachers in public, hold
          Message 4 of 4 , Feb 3 2:21 PM
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            hello,
            why are you so full of hatred? Btw, what should people do when the rapists are Atheists? Show up signs, make fun of Atheist teachers in public, hold them away from children etc.etc.?
            I know it is a crime and should be punished, but it's happening everywhere to people and kids of any or none religion... And everyone knows the Church is only human and full of failure, so why such shallow words of disgust? Btw, have you ever realized that your nice and comfortable and safe and developed and highly sophisticated societes of US and Canada are there because of Christianity? You prefer lying into your own pocket? Being biased? Sorry, you deserve better, I guess.
            best of wishes, my dear Atheist zealotes (I love you, btw, you help people to search for truth by whatever you say or do - just like Christians)
            david

            --- On Sun, 2/3/13, Judy Weismonger <weismonger@...> wrote:

            From: Judy Weismonger <weismonger@...>
            Subject: Re: [CanadianAtheist] The top of hypocrisy...
            To: "CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com" <CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com>
            Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:37 PM
















             









            Roman Catholic Priests raping children has been going on since the 4th century AD, and this disgusting church needs to be closed permanently. We can't do that, but what we can do is exposing and making fun of priests in public, sign petitions to get them away from children, put up signs, organize Atheists in every community where there is a catholic church to hold signs in front of churches on Sunday mass, and generally be as vigilant as possible for every infraction...Letters to editors sometimes work. This is a criminal organization that has used extortion, blackmail, and threats for 1500 years to abuse human beings. Enough is enough.

             

            What I do know is that because of all the bad exposure, the Vatican has lost 30% of its paying customers, and is financially hurting to the point it is selling off major church properties.

            Judy



            Sound thinking is the greatest virtue and wisdom: to speak the

            truth and to act on the basis of an understanding of the nature of things"--

            Heraclitus of Ephesus





            ________________________________

            From: Ernie Schreiber eunacom@...>

            To: CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com

            Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:20 AM

            Subject: [CanadianAtheist] The top of hypocrisy...





             



            A recent posting in the on-line edition of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" shows a blatant attempt by the Vatican to whitewash the recent discovery of sex crimes by clergy and the attempt to hide them by Cardinal Mahony of California (now retired) who did all he could to obstruct justice and get away with it.



            Here is the article with a translation to show the construction of this scam:



            This article appeared in the on-line Internet issue of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" on Saturday, February 2nd, 2013:



            (see link below)



            http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/erzbischof-mueller-kritisiert-pogromstimmung-gegen-katholische-kirche-a-881063.html>



            Rom - Gerhard Ludwig Müller ist einer der mächtigsten Männer der katholischen Kirche. In einem Interview mit der Zeitung "Die Welt" hat er nun eine aufkommende "Pogromstimmung" gegen die katholische Kirche kritisiert. Der Präfekt der Glaubenskongregation im Vatikan verwies dabei auf "gezielte Diskreditierungskampagnen gegen die katholische Kirche in Nordamerika und auch bei uns in Europa". Diese hätten erreicht, "dass Geistliche in manchen Bereichen schon jetzt ganz öffentlich angepöbelt werden", sagte Erzbischof Müller.



            [Rome: Gerhard Ludwig Mueller is one of the most powerful men of the catholic church, During an interview with the newspaper "Die Welt" (the world) he criticized the rise of a pogrom mood against the catholic church. The apostolic prefect of the congregation in the Vatican refers to a "targeted campaign to discredit the catholic church in North America and also here in Europe. This resulted in clergy in some areas here already being abused in public places," said archbishop Mueller.]



            So wachse eine künstlich erzeugte Wut, "die gelegentlich schon heute an eine Pogromstimmung erinnert". Im Internet und auch im Fernsehen würden Attacken gegen die katholische Kirche geritten, deren Rüstzeug zurückgehe auf den Kampf der totalitären Ideologien gegen das Christentum.



            [Thus an artificially created furor that "at times reminds one already today of a pogrom-mood." In the Internet and also on television attacks are ridden against the catholic church whose armor dates back to the fights of totalitarian ideologies against Christianity.]



            Beim innerkirchlichen Dialog in Deutschland, beispielsweise zwischen Bischöfen und kritischen Laien, müsse auch über das Wesentliche geredet werden - statt die gleichen Probleme immer wieder neu aufzutischen, sagte Müller. Das geforderte sakramentale Weiheamt für Frauen beispielsweise sei unmöglich, die katholische Kirche könne auch gleichgeschlechtliche Partnerschaften nicht akzeptieren. "Solche Partnerschaften sind grundsätzlich in keiner Weise mit den Ehen gleichzustellen."



            [In internal church dialogues in Germany for example, between Bishops and critical laics the substantial elements must be discussed - rather than repeating the same old problems anew, says Mueller. The demand for the ordination of women, for example, is impossible, and also same sex partnerships cannot be accepted. "Such partnerships cannot basically in any way be equal to a marriage."]



            Müller bekräftigte auch, am Pflichtzölibat für Priester festzuhalten, denn deren Ehelosigkeit entspreche "dem Beispiel und dem Wort Jesu." Vor seiner Ernennung zum Praefekten der Glaubenskongregation durch Papst Benedikt XVI? Im vergangenen Jahr war Müller Bischof von Regensburg. Die Glaubenskongregation wurde mit dem Ziel geschaffen, die Kirche vor abweichenden Glaubensvorstellungen zu schützen.



            [Mueller also reaffirmed the maintenance of priestly celibacy because not being married conforms with "the example and the word of Jesus." Prior to his appointment as Prefect of the Faithcongregation by Pope Benedict XVI last year, Mueller was Bishop of Regensburg. The Faithcongregation was created with the aim to protect the church from divergent beliefs.



            aar/dpa



            So please, people, don't address your clergyman with "hello Jerk" but still call him "Hochwuerden" or "your eminence" and go down at least on one knee!



            ---------------



            Obviously, the Vatican was not amused by the results of a recent Los Angeles Court case. Below is a link to the article in question to remind of the original cause of the ruckus. Finally some secular court had the impertinence to convict some holy clergy (which we should only approach on bended knee) of crimes committed against youngsters for whom all clergy ought to act as an example of rectitude and godliness.

            [Link:]



            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/us/church-documents-released-after-years-of-resistance.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130202&_r=0



            -------------------



            Food for rational thought? What credence does one allow a statement by a Vatican official who is supposed to do damage control from a newly appointed office in order to solidify the faith of the flock that might decide to turn away from the catholic church? To warn people about evil "totalitarian ideologies" when the catholic church itself has a past of torture, rape, and totalitarian dictatorial powers in witchburnings and putting people on the rack for disagreeing with some church dogma? The catholic church provides the best example through its own history of a vile dictatorship!



            Regards.

            H. E. [Ernie] Schreiber

            EUNACOM Secular Journal: http://eunacom.net/

            Discussion List Server at: mailto:eunacom%40yahoogroups.com>



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