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  • Swami Manavatavadi
    Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence] Noble All Here, Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India. Though I have only to accuse my dull
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 1, 2009
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      Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]

      Noble All Here,
      Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India.

      Though I have only to accuse my dull and unlearnt foresters' mind but still I want to ask my learned and intelligent brethren here to kindly explain me: what makes the economy of the USA and the world to accelerate it to push up or down? What makes the share market up or down?

      Do the economy has any relationship with the useful agricultural/farm or industrial products, useful beneficiary mineral excavation/mining products? And if it has then what less was produced to do so?

      Or the USA economy vis-a-vis the world economy is having some relationship to wars, war weaponry production/consumption/terrorist activities/spreading terrorism?

      I can't see any sudden reason which depressed the USA and the world economy.

      Is it a system to teach the peace loving USA citizens to learn a lesson; not to make sound against any unprecedented war which only can raise their economic status and dominion over the world?

      Or what?

      Will anyone kindly put some clear light on the matter and send a copy of the material to <MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com> and oblige to help an unlearrnt forester friend?

      Cordially,
      Swamiji

      =====================================================================
      --- In MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com, "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@... wrote:
      >
      > The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
      >
      > Posted by: "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@...
      > Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 pm (PDT)
      >
      > I find it unfortunate that something as unstable as emotions, mood and
      "confidence" is necessary to keep the economy going. And then you have marketing
      and campaigns to "boost peoples confidence". I am more interested in "boosting
      peoples confidence" by "making things work" than "making things not fail" by
      "boosting peoples confidence". An ownership society does not need marketers to
      boost their confidence, their secure assets are enough. In an economy based on
      paper and not real assets we will elect the Marketers/Priesthoods of Confidence
      to supplant our internal personal security by hiding from us the instability and
      impending collapse of a system based on "confidence". You will probably get
      tired of me saying this, but I will say it again. Property is the answer, and
      must be a birthright. Property cannot be made so a minimum residable property
      should not have to be earned. The biggest cause of debt in this country isn't
      that people are just too lazy, but because people start out in debt and loosing
      the fruit of ones labor because they don't own property. The irony of poverty is
      that just when people need to make more efficient decisions and think long-term,
      they are less capable of doing so because of their poverty.
      > Mark
      >
      > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/thaler_sendhil08/class5.html
      > On the one hand, lack of slack tells us the poor must make higher quality
      decisions because they don't have slack to help buffer them with things. But
      even though they have to supply higher quality decisions, they're in a worse
      position to supply them because they're depleted. That is the ultimate irony of
      poverty. You're getting cut twice. You are in an environment where the decisions
      have to be better, but you're in an environment that by the very nature of that
      makes it harder for you apply better decisions.
    • kznoggs
      ... Ken s reply. Regarding the following post. One might think of many conspiritorial reasons but, the quick answer may be found in the description of Wall
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 5, 2009
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        --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "Swami Manavatavadi" <manavatavadi@...> wrote:

        Ken's reply. Regarding the following post. One might think of many conspiritorial reasons but, the quick answer may be found in the description of Wall Street, once given by a national leader: "Wall Street is the Western World's Roulette wheel". The casinos sometimes go broke when manipulated by insiders. Regards. Ken.


        >
        > Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
        >
        > Noble All Here,
        > Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India.
        >
        > Though I have only to accuse my dull and unlearnt foresters' mind but still I want to ask my learned and intelligent brethren here to kindly explain me: what makes the economy of the USA and the world to accelerate it to push up or down? What makes the share market up or down?
        >
        > Do the economy has any relationship with the useful agricultural/farm or industrial products, useful beneficiary mineral excavation/mining products? And if it has then what less was produced to do so?
        >
        > Or the USA economy vis-a-vis the world economy is having some relationship to wars, war weaponry production/consumption/terrorist activities/spreading terrorism?
        >
        > I can't see any sudden reason which depressed the USA and the world economy.
        >
        > Is it a system to teach the peace loving USA citizens to learn a lesson; not to make sound against any unprecedented war which only can raise their economic status and dominion over the world?
        >
        > Or what?
        >
        > Will anyone kindly put some clear light on the matter and send a copy of the material to <MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com> and oblige to help an unlearrnt forester friend?
        >
        > Cordially,
        > Swamiji
        >
        > =====================================================================
        > --- In MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com, "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@ wrote:
        > >
        > > The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
        > >
        > > Posted by: "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@
        > > Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 pm (PDT)
        > >
        > > I find it unfortunate that something as unstable as emotions, mood and
        > "confidence" is necessary to keep the economy going. And then you have marketing
        > and campaigns to "boost peoples confidence". I am more interested in "boosting
        > peoples confidence" by "making things work" than "making things not fail" by
        > "boosting peoples confidence". An ownership society does not need marketers to
        > boost their confidence, their secure assets are enough. In an economy based on
        > paper and not real assets we will elect the Marketers/Priesthoods of Confidence
        > to supplant our internal personal security by hiding from us the instability and
        > impending collapse of a system based on "confidence". You will probably get
        > tired of me saying this, but I will say it again. Property is the answer, and
        > must be a birthright. Property cannot be made so a minimum residable property
        > should not have to be earned. The biggest cause of debt in this country isn't
        > that people are just too lazy, but because people start out in debt and loosing
        > the fruit of ones labor because they don't own property. The irony of poverty is
        > that just when people need to make more efficient decisions and think long-term,
        > they are less capable of doing so because of their poverty.
        > > Mark
        > >
        > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/thaler_sendhil08/class5.html
        > > On the one hand, lack of slack tells us the poor must make higher quality
        > decisions because they don't have slack to help buffer them with things. But
        > even though they have to supply higher quality decisions, they're in a worse
        > position to supply them because they're depleted. That is the ultimate irony of
        > poverty. You're getting cut twice. You are in an environment where the decisions
        > have to be better, but you're in an environment that by the very nature of that
        > makes it harder for you apply better decisions.
        >
      • Swami Manavatavadi
        Noble Ken, Humblest Greetings. Many thanks to you for this comment. To my mind you are very right. All opinions we have seen in HAC-List, Houston Humanist List
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 7, 2009
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          Noble Ken,
          Humblest Greetings.

          Many thanks to you for this comment.
          To my mind you are very right. All opinions we have seen in HAC-List, Houston Humanist List or in the MANAVATAVADI-GROUP list, they direct for one useful reason that:

          Economy is not the matter of currency notes but the system of circulating usable commodities both for the citizens and also for the governance. Currencies only act as a medium for the swift transition of the useful materials from the spot of production to the spot of consumption, stock, hoarding etc. If all usable materials of a nation depend on its own natural resources, usable industrial products and all usable human resources then, small stagnancies, blocking or destruction of some currency notes etc. doesn't hamper the economy to create any crying depression of economy of that nation. If it depends on selling fanciful products, narcotics, war materials, spreading bad habits of drug addiction, cosmetics, spreading terrorism or organizing wars among other countries then the economy fails while the consuming countries come to a state of peace, changes the idea of fashion and using cosmetics or de-addiction counseling effect the citizens.

          American Governance had been a war loving group and its mass killing weaponry Industries and exhibitions had always attracted all quarrelsome and war loving countries, including countries engaged in civil wars, terrorism and ethnic or racial civil wars. Its many retired CIA Authorities had written books on their processing of assassinating, mass killing, genocide operation, war operations on other lands in the interest of the economic and governance stability or dominion over the world.

          There may be a great probability that after the Gulf war, and war on Afghanistan or else where the USA has established its military strong bases and could unsuccessfully plant dummy governances and when the American Citizens have learnt to go away from the pseudo-patriotism of supporting the war-mad governance groups the Governance in one way might be wanting to teach a good lesson to its citizens that "No war: No food or Enjoyment". Lots of wars terrorism then the country sells lots of its prime products and allows its loyal citizens to enjoy their lives with the bloodstain money. In the other way teaching the people of the other part of the world not to feel safe and at peace at this pause.

          To my mind the economic depression in USA and on other parts are fabricated to teach lessons to the people in two adverse ways. I gladly agree to all disagreements.

          Cordially,
          Swamiji
          ====================================================================
          --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "kznoggs" <kznoggs@...> wrote:
          >
          > --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "Swami Manavatavadi" <manavatavadi@> wrote:
          >
          > Ken's reply. Regarding the following post. One might think of many conspiritorial reasons but, the quick answer may be found in the description of Wall Street, once given by a national leader: "Wall Street is the Western World's Roulette wheel". The casinos sometimes go broke when manipulated by insiders. Regards. Ken.
          >
          >
          > >
          > > Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
          > >
          > > Noble All Here,
          > > Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India.
          > >
          > > Though I have only to accuse my dull and unlearnt foresters' mind but still I want to ask my learned and intelligent brethren here to kindly explain me: what makes the economy of the USA and the world to accelerate it to push up or down? What makes the share market up or down?
          > >
          > > Do the economy has any relationship with the useful agricultural/farm or industrial products, useful beneficiary mineral excavation/mining products? And if it has then what less was produced to do so?
          > >
          > > Or the USA economy vis-a-vis the world economy is having some relationship to wars, war weaponry production/consumption/terrorist activities/spreading terrorism?
          > >
          > > I can't see any sudden reason which depressed the USA and the world economy.
          > >
          > > Is it a system to teach the peace loving USA citizens to learn a lesson; not to make sound against any unprecedented war which only can raise their economic status and dominion over the world?
          > >
          > > Or what?
          > >
          > > Will anyone kindly put some clear light on the matter and send a copy of the material to <MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com> and oblige to help an unlearrnt forester friend?
          > >
          > > Cordially,
          > > Swamiji
          > >
          > > =====================================================================
          > > --- In MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com, "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@ wrote:
          > > >
          > > > The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
          > > >
          > > > Posted by: "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@
          > > > Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 pm (PDT)
          > > >
          > > > I find it unfortunate that something as unstable as emotions, mood and
          > > "confidence" is necessary to keep the economy going. And then you have marketing
          > > and campaigns to "boost peoples confidence". I am more interested in "boosting
          > > peoples confidence" by "making things work" than "making things not fail" by
          > > "boosting peoples confidence". An ownership society does not need marketers to
          > > boost their confidence, their secure assets are enough. In an economy based on
          > > paper and not real assets we will elect the Marketers/Priesthoods of Confidence
          > > to supplant our internal personal security by hiding from us the instability and
          > > impending collapse of a system based on "confidence". You will probably get
          > > tired of me saying this, but I will say it again. Property is the answer, and
          > > must be a birthright. Property cannot be made so a minimum residable property
          > > should not have to be earned. The biggest cause of debt in this country isn't
          > > that people are just too lazy, but because people start out in debt and loosing
          > > the fruit of ones labor because they don't own property. The irony of poverty is
          > > that just when people need to make more efficient decisions and think long-term,
          > > they are less capable of doing so because of their poverty.
          > > > Mark
          > > >
          > > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/thaler_sendhil08/class5.html
          > > > On the one hand, lack of slack tells us the poor must make higher quality
          > > decisions because they don't have slack to help buffer them with things. But
          > > even though they have to supply higher quality decisions, they're in a worse
          > > position to supply them because they're depleted. That is the ultimate irony of
          > > poverty. You're getting cut twice. You are in an environment where the decisions
          > > have to be better, but you're in an environment that by the very nature of that
          > > makes it harder for you apply better decisions.
          > >
          >
        • omprem
          Aum, Swamiji Could you tell me why you engage atheist groups and risk having your consciousness dragged down to their level in the lower talas? My experience
          Message 4 of 6 , Apr 14, 2009
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            Aum, Swamiji

            Could you tell me why you engage atheist groups and risk having your consciousness dragged down to their level in the lower talas? My experience is that I can only engage these groups for a few weeks at a time before I feel my consciousness being impaired by exposure to the dense consciousness of atheists, at which time I take a sabbatical and stay with higher consciousness beings and scripture.


            --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "Swami Manavatavadi" <manavatavadi@...> wrote:
            >
            > Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
            >
            > Noble All Here,
            > Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India.
            >
            > Though I have only to accuse my dull and unlearnt foresters' mind but still I want to ask my learned and intelligent brethren here to kindly explain me: what makes the economy of the USA and the world to accelerate it to push up or down? What makes the share market up or down?
            >
            > Do the economy has any relationship with the useful agricultural/farm or industrial products, useful beneficiary mineral excavation/mining products? And if it has then what less was produced to do so?
            >
            > Or the USA economy vis-a-vis the world economy is having some relationship to wars, war weaponry production/consumption/terrorist activities/spreading terrorism?
            >
            > I can't see any sudden reason which depressed the USA and the world economy.
            >
            > Is it a system to teach the peace loving USA citizens to learn a lesson; not to make sound against any unprecedented war which only can raise their economic status and dominion over the world?
            >
            > Or what?
            >
            > Will anyone kindly put some clear light on the matter and send a copy of the material to <MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com> and oblige to help an unlearrnt forester friend?
            >
            > Cordially,
            > Swamiji
            >
            > =====================================================================
            > --- In MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com, "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@ wrote:
            > >
            > > The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
            > >
            > > Posted by: "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@
            > > Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 pm (PDT)
            > >
            > > I find it unfortunate that something as unstable as emotions, mood and
            > "confidence" is necessary to keep the economy going. And then you have marketing
            > and campaigns to "boost peoples confidence". I am more interested in "boosting
            > peoples confidence" by "making things work" than "making things not fail" by
            > "boosting peoples confidence". An ownership society does not need marketers to
            > boost their confidence, their secure assets are enough. In an economy based on
            > paper and not real assets we will elect the Marketers/Priesthoods of Confidence
            > to supplant our internal personal security by hiding from us the instability and
            > impending collapse of a system based on "confidence". You will probably get
            > tired of me saying this, but I will say it again. Property is the answer, and
            > must be a birthright. Property cannot be made so a minimum residable property
            > should not have to be earned. The biggest cause of debt in this country isn't
            > that people are just too lazy, but because people start out in debt and loosing
            > the fruit of ones labor because they don't own property. The irony of poverty is
            > that just when people need to make more efficient decisions and think long-term,
            > they are less capable of doing so because of their poverty.
            > > Mark
            > >
            > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/thaler_sendhil08/class5.html
            > > On the one hand, lack of slack tells us the poor must make higher quality
            > decisions because they don't have slack to help buffer them with things. But
            > even though they have to supply higher quality decisions, they're in a worse
            > position to supply them because they're depleted. That is the ultimate irony of
            > poverty. You're getting cut twice. You are in an environment where the decisions
            > have to be better, but you're in an environment that by the very nature of that
            > makes it harder for you apply better decisions.
            >
          • Swami Manavatavadi
            Noble Ompremji, Humblest Greetings. Many thanks to you for this special advice for me. I think I don t have an adequate amount of consciousness to keep me up
            Message 5 of 6 , Apr 16, 2009
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              Noble Ompremji,
              Humblest Greetings.

              Many thanks to you for this special advice for me.
              I think I don't have an adequate amount of consciousness to keep me up of the levels of about 6000000000 dweller of this globe. As a very lay human animal I have enough emptiness in me to observe and see if something is useful to keep in my mental space. So no possibility of any contamination, degeneration, lowering or falling down etc.

              Till now I could observe that western atheism/humanism is in a process to attain the state of DHARMA assumed by the ancient seers of the Bharat where as the Organized Religions are successfully encaging the people in to small chambers by inducing fear, hatred, discrimination and lot many types of inhumanities.

              Inquiry is a great aspect of Atheism/Humanism which is very close to the initial aspects of DHARMA.

              KIM TAD BRAHMA, KIM ADHYATMA, KIM KARMA PURUSHOTTAMA of Gita Chapter-8 Shloka-1 states about freedom of inquiry that: 'What is Brahman, what is ADHYATMA, what is KARMA' etc.

              I see, since 8th century A.D. the Indian trend of DHARMA could be successfully detracted to Islamic style or Christian style of theistic en-prison-ment of social psychology by certain amount and style of politics by making the DHARMA a pseudo practice. DHARMA destines to an absolutely free life called as MOKSHA/NIRVANA where as Religions push people to un-release-able psychological cages.

              Thanking you for your personal advices to me I remain.

              Cordially,
              Swamiji


              --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "omprem" <omprem@...> wrote:
              >
              > Aum, Swamiji
              >
              > Could you tell me why you engage atheist groups and risk having your consciousness dragged down to their level in the lower talas? My experience is that I can only engage these groups for a few weeks at a time before I feel my consciousness being impaired by exposure to the dense consciousness of atheists, at which time I take a sabbatical and stay with higher consciousness beings and scripture.
              >
              >
              > --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "Swami Manavatavadi" <manavatavadi@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
              > >
              > > Noble All Here,
              > > Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India.
              > >
              > > Though I have only to accuse my dull and unlearnt foresters' mind but still I want to ask my learned and intelligent brethren here to kindly explain me: what makes the economy of the USA and the world to accelerate it to push up or down? What makes the share market up or down?
              > >
              > > Do the economy has any relationship with the useful agricultural/farm or industrial products, useful beneficiary mineral excavation/mining products? And if it has then what less was produced to do so?
              > >
              > > Or the USA economy vis-a-vis the world economy is having some relationship to wars, war weaponry production/consumption/terrorist activities/spreading terrorism?
              > >
              > > I can't see any sudden reason which depressed the USA and the world economy.
              > >
              > > Is it a system to teach the peace loving USA citizens to learn a lesson; not to make sound against any unprecedented war which only can raise their economic status and dominion over the world?
              > >
              > > Or what?
              > >
              > > Will anyone kindly put some clear light on the matter and send a copy of the material to <MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com> and oblige to help an unlearrnt forester friend?
              > >
              > > Cordially,
              > > Swamiji
              > >
              > > =====================================================================
              > > --- In MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com, "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@ wrote:
              > > >
              > > > The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
              > > >
              > > > Posted by: "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@
              > > > Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 pm (PDT)
              > > >
              > > > I find it unfortunate that something as unstable as emotions, mood and
              > > "confidence" is necessary to keep the economy going. And then you have marketing
              > > and campaigns to "boost peoples confidence". I am more interested in "boosting
              > > peoples confidence" by "making things work" than "making things not fail" by
              > > "boosting peoples confidence". An ownership society does not need marketers to
              > > boost their confidence, their secure assets are enough. In an economy based on
              > > paper and not real assets we will elect the Marketers/Priesthoods of Confidence
              > > to supplant our internal personal security by hiding from us the instability and
              > > impending collapse of a system based on "confidence". You will probably get
              > > tired of me saying this, but I will say it again. Property is the answer, and
              > > must be a birthright. Property cannot be made so a minimum residable property
              > > should not have to be earned. The biggest cause of debt in this country isn't
              > > that people are just too lazy, but because people start out in debt and loosing
              > > the fruit of ones labor because they don't own property. The irony of poverty is
              > > that just when people need to make more efficient decisions and think long-term,
              > > they are less capable of doing so because of their poverty.
              > > > Mark
              > > >
              > > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/thaler_sendhil08/class5.html
              > > > On the one hand, lack of slack tells us the poor must make higher quality
              > > decisions because they don't have slack to help buffer them with things. But
              > > even though they have to supply higher quality decisions, they're in a worse
              > > position to supply them because they're depleted. That is the ultimate irony of
              > > poverty. You're getting cut twice. You are in an environment where the decisions
              > > have to be better, but you're in an environment that by the very nature of that
              > > makes it harder for you apply better decisions.
              > >
              >
            • omprem
              Aum Namah Sivaya, Swamiji History is littered with fallen Gurus who succumbed to ego and desire. For you to say there is no possibility of any contamination,
              Message 6 of 6 , Apr 17, 2009
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                Aum Namah Sivaya, Swamiji

                History is littered with fallen Gurus who succumbed to ego and desire. For you to say there is "no possibility of any contamination, degeneration, lowering or falling down etc." worries me that you might join that list. Unless you are fully Self-Realized (and you just stated that you were not -"As a very lay human animal"), there is an ever-present danger of sliding into the depths to which atheists have allowed themselves to sink. I pray that this does not happen to you.

                You are quite correct to state, "western atheism/humanism is in a process to attain the state of DHARMA assumed by the ancient seers of the Bharat". I have consistently maintained that atheism is a religion that follows the 'via negativa' path of Catholicism also known as the 'Neti.Neti.' process of Raga Yoga. I think that you are a bit harsh with organized religions (which includes Hinduism) in saying that they encage people. As you know, the rituals and practices of these religions have the aim of attuning individual consciousness to God Consciousness. But if some clerics and laypeople misunderstand or misuse religion for their own ego purposes (remember those fallen Gurus) their doing so does not invalid the religion they profess. This is a mistake that atheists insist on making.

                I agree with you that Hinduism provides the fullest explanation of God, divinity, human nature, consciousness and how attain God Realization that is possible. But the saints of the other religions you mention also knew these secrets. They would not have attained the high spiritual awareness that they did if they were not aware of these matters. For example, St Theresa of Avila wrote a detailed explanation of the seven principal Chakras in her Interior Castle.

                The only people who are in ' un-release-able psychological cages' are atheists. And the sad thing is that they put themselves into those cages and then threw away the key. But there is always the next lifetime for them and the ones after that.


                OM OM OM

                Omprem










                --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "Swami Manavatavadi" <manavatavadi@...> wrote:
                >
                > Noble Ompremji,
                > Humblest Greetings.
                >
                > Many thanks to you for this special advice for me.
                > I think I don't have an adequate amount of consciousness to keep me up of the levels of about 6000000000 dweller of this globe. As a very lay human animal I have enough emptiness in me to observe and see if something is useful to keep in my mental space. So no possibility of any contamination, degeneration, lowering or falling down etc.
                >
                > Till now I could observe that western atheism/humanism is in a process to attain the state of DHARMA assumed by the ancient seers of the Bharat where as the Organized Religions are successfully encaging the people in to small chambers by inducing fear, hatred, discrimination and lot many types of inhumanities.
                >
                > Inquiry is a great aspect of Atheism/Humanism which is very close to the initial aspects of DHARMA.
                >
                > KIM TAD BRAHMA, KIM ADHYATMA, KIM KARMA PURUSHOTTAMA of Gita Chapter-8 Shloka-1 states about freedom of inquiry that: 'What is Brahman, what is ADHYATMA, what is KARMA' etc.
                >
                > I see, since 8th century A.D. the Indian trend of DHARMA could be successfully detracted to Islamic style or Christian style of theistic en-prison-ment of social psychology by certain amount and style of politics by making the DHARMA a pseudo practice. DHARMA destines to an absolutely free life called as MOKSHA/NIRVANA where as Religions push people to un-release-able psychological cages.
                >
                > Thanking you for your personal advices to me I remain.
                >
                > Cordially,
                > Swamiji
                >
                >
                > --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "omprem" <omprem@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Aum, Swamiji
                > >
                > > Could you tell me why you engage atheist groups and risk having your consciousness dragged down to their level in the lower talas? My experience is that I can only engage these groups for a few weeks at a time before I feel my consciousness being impaired by exposure to the dense consciousness of atheists, at which time I take a sabbatical and stay with higher consciousness beings and scripture.
                > >
                > >
                > > --- In CanadianAtheist@yahoogroups.com, "Swami Manavatavadi" <manavatavadi@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Re: The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
                > > >
                > > > Noble All Here,
                > > > Humblest Greetings from Kurukshetr, India.
                > > >
                > > > Though I have only to accuse my dull and unlearnt foresters' mind but still I want to ask my learned and intelligent brethren here to kindly explain me: what makes the economy of the USA and the world to accelerate it to push up or down? What makes the share market up or down?
                > > >
                > > > Do the economy has any relationship with the useful agricultural/farm or industrial products, useful beneficiary mineral excavation/mining products? And if it has then what less was produced to do so?
                > > >
                > > > Or the USA economy vis-a-vis the world economy is having some relationship to wars, war weaponry production/consumption/terrorist activities/spreading terrorism?
                > > >
                > > > I can't see any sudden reason which depressed the USA and the world economy.
                > > >
                > > > Is it a system to teach the peace loving USA citizens to learn a lesson; not to make sound against any unprecedented war which only can raise their economic status and dominion over the world?
                > > >
                > > > Or what?
                > > >
                > > > Will anyone kindly put some clear light on the matter and send a copy of the material to <MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com> and oblige to help an unlearrnt forester friend?
                > > >
                > > > Cordially,
                > > > Swamiji
                > > >
                > > > =====================================================================
                > > > --- In MANAVATAVADI-GROUP@yahoogroups.com, "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@ wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > The global financial crisis (cont.) [Marketing Confidence]
                > > > >
                > > > > Posted by: "gawwwrrsh" gawwwrrsh@
                > > > > Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 pm (PDT)
                > > > >
                > > > > I find it unfortunate that something as unstable as emotions, mood and
                > > > "confidence" is necessary to keep the economy going. And then you have marketing
                > > > and campaigns to "boost peoples confidence". I am more interested in "boosting
                > > > peoples confidence" by "making things work" than "making things not fail" by
                > > > "boosting peoples confidence". An ownership society does not need marketers to
                > > > boost their confidence, their secure assets are enough. In an economy based on
                > > > paper and not real assets we will elect the Marketers/Priesthoods of Confidence
                > > > to supplant our internal personal security by hiding from us the instability and
                > > > impending collapse of a system based on "confidence". You will probably get
                > > > tired of me saying this, but I will say it again. Property is the answer, and
                > > > must be a birthright. Property cannot be made so a minimum residable property
                > > > should not have to be earned. The biggest cause of debt in this country isn't
                > > > that people are just too lazy, but because people start out in debt and loosing
                > > > the fruit of ones labor because they don't own property. The irony of poverty is
                > > > that just when people need to make more efficient decisions and think long-term,
                > > > they are less capable of doing so because of their poverty.
                > > > > Mark
                > > > >
                > > > > http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/thaler_sendhil08/class5.html
                > > > > On the one hand, lack of slack tells us the poor must make higher quality
                > > > decisions because they don't have slack to help buffer them with things. But
                > > > even though they have to supply higher quality decisions, they're in a worse
                > > > position to supply them because they're depleted. That is the ultimate irony of
                > > > poverty. You're getting cut twice. You are in an environment where the decisions
                > > > have to be better, but you're in an environment that by the very nature of that
                > > > makes it harder for you apply better decisions.
                > > >
                > >
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