## Re: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford

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• I agree with Conrad that this seems a feasible and reasonable reconstruction of the section. Fun!
Message 1 of 9 , Oct 24, 2010
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I agree with Conrad that this seems a feasible and reasonable reconstruction of the section.
Fun!

On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...> wrote:

> Oh a nice brain puzzle :)
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>> first man backe a D.
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> Back away from partner a double
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>> then goe downe between the rest
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> pass between the couples toward the bottom of the set
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>> and turne the last Wo but one
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> Turn (with 2 hands?) the second to last woman
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>> then the last,
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> Turn the last woman
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>> and stay there
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> Fall into last mans place
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>> while the other men go between the 2. and the third We. and goe toward the left hand and fall downe to the first man
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> As the same time the second man passes between 2nd and 3rd women, goes toward the head of the line, around the first woman on down on the mans side of the line towards the 2nd to last mans place.
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> All other men follow so that the mens line is now reversed.
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>> First man back, then goe up between the rest, turne the second Wo. then the first while the men go between the two last We. turne towards the right hand and goe up to your places
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> Essentially the reverse of the above, with the first man tuning the 2nd and first woman then returning to place, with the line of men going through the 2nd to last and last woman then around the bottom then up to their places.
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> Seems a little odd the in the first you go between the 2nd and 3rd, but in the second you go between the last and second to last. I think for the timing the 2nd through last man could start moving up just after the first mans has passed between them and their partner. Since this is long ways for as many as will , this will take a variable amount of time depending on the number of couples.
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> On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:11 PM, ChrisM wrote:
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> I've been looking at the dance "Drive the Cold Winter Away."
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> A transcription of Playford's descriftion is here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Playford/DriveWinter.txt
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> I'm having a hard time visualizing what's going on here during the refrain. Could someone kindly walk me through this?
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> --In joy and service,
> Christian d'Hiver
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• Agree here too. The trick to this will be the timing for the dancers against the music. Since its for as many as will the pit master would need to be able to
Message 2 of 9 , Oct 25, 2010
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Agree here too. The trick to this will be the timing for the dancers
against the music. Since its for as many as will the pit master would need
to be able to alter the number of repeats on the fly. This is why the
Playford Project set "as many as will" to be 4 couples in a bunch of the
redactions - so we could have set music for the musicians and the boom box
to practice with. Somethings are just easier for dancers and musicains
doing this as a hobby to deal with.

HL Rowan Houndskeeper
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
rowan@...

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Kaiser <sarahkaiserstl@...>
To: "CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com" <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 22:39:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford

I agree with Conrad that this seems a feasible and reasonable reconstruction
of the section.
Fun!

On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
wrote:

> Oh a nice brain puzzle :)
>
>
>> first man backe a D.
>
> Back away from partner a double
>
>> then goe downe between the rest
>
> pass between the couples toward the bottom of the set
>
>> and turne the last Wo but one
>
> Turn (with 2 hands?) the second to last woman
>
>> then the last,
>
> Turn the last woman
>
>> and stay there
>
> Fall into last mans place
>
>> while the other men go between the 2. and the third We. and goe toward
the left hand and fall downe to the first man
>
> As the same time the second man passes between 2nd and 3rd women, goes
toward the head of the line, around the first woman on down on the mans side
of the line towards the 2nd to last mans place.
>
> All other men follow so that the mens line is now reversed.
>
>> First man back, then goe up between the rest, turne the second Wo. then
the first while the men go between the two last We. turne towards the right
hand and goe up to your places
>
> Essentially the reverse of the above, with the first man tuning the 2nd
and first woman then returning to place, with the line of men going through
the 2nd to last and last woman then around the bottom then up to their
places.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> Seems a little odd the in the first you go between the 2nd and 3rd, but in
the second you go between the last and second to last. I think for the
timing the 2nd through last man could start moving up just after the first
mans has passed between them and their partner. Since this is long ways for
as many as will , this will take a variable amount of time depending on the
number of couples.
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> On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:11 PM, ChrisM wrote:
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> I've been looking at the dance "Drive the Cold Winter Away."
>
> A transcription of Playford's descriftion is here:
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Playford/DriveWinter.txt
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> I'm having a hard time visualizing what's going on here during the
refrain. Could someone kindly walk me through this?
>
> --In joy and service,
> Christian d'Hiver
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• I don t know about the dance, but I have played a tune with the same title. We used it as a waltz for a contra. There is a song on some Celtic Christmas
Message 3 of 9 , Oct 25, 2010
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I don't know about the dance, but I have played a tune with the same title. We used it as a waltz for a contra. There is a song on some Celtic Christmas albums with the same tune. I am hoping it is the same one. Do you have a link for the tune, or shall I shuffle around in the sca waterloo site?
Brighid
----- Original Message -----
From: ChrisM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford

I've been looking at the dance "Drive the Cold Winter Away."

A transcription of Playford's descriftion is here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Playford/DriveWinter.txt

I'm having a hard time visualizing what's going on here during the refrain. Could someone kindly walk me through this?

--In joy and service,
Christian d'Hiver

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• Hese s the tune right from playford http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/046.pdf Conrad On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Brenda Knox wrote: I don t know about
Message 4 of 9 , Oct 25, 2010
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Hese's the tune right from playford

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/046.pdf

On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Brenda Knox wrote:

I don't know about the dance, but I have played a tune with the same title. We used it as a waltz for a contra. There is a song on some Celtic Christmas albums with the same tune. I am hoping it is the same one. Do you have a link for the tune, or shall I shuffle around in the sca waterloo site?
Brighid
----- Original Message -----
From: ChrisM
To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com<mailto:CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford

I've been looking at the dance "Drive the Cold Winter Away."

A transcription of Playford's descriftion is here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Playford/DriveWinter.txt

I'm having a hard time visualizing what's going on here during the refrain. Could someone kindly walk me through this?

--In joy and service,
Christian d'Hiver

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• Thanks, Conrad. It really is the same tune, just arranged a LEETLE bit different. This is a beautiful tune, and there are lyrics very good for holiday time
Message 5 of 9 , Oct 25, 2010
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Thanks, Conrad. It really is the same tune, just arranged a LEETLE bit
different. This is a beautiful tune, and there are lyrics very good for
holiday time that go with it. i wonder when they were composed?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford

> Hese's the tune right from playford
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> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/046.pdf
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> On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Brenda Knox wrote:
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> I don't know about the dance, but I have played a tune with the same
> title. We used it as a waltz for a contra. There is a song on some Celtic
> Christmas albums with the same tune. I am hoping it is the same one. Do
> you have a link for the tune, or shall I shuffle around in the sca
> waterloo site?
> Brighid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ChrisM
> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com<mailto:CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford
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> I've been looking at the dance "Drive the Cold Winter Away."
>
> A transcription of Playford's descriftion is here:
> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Playford/DriveWinter.txt
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> I'm having a hard time visualizing what's going on here during the
> refrain. Could someone kindly walk me through this?
>
> --In joy and service,
> Christian d'Hiver
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• It is the same tune, and song. I LOVE IT!!! Thanks, Conrad. Brighid O Mahuna of Flinthyll ... From: Sauer, Michael F. To:
Message 6 of 9 , Oct 25, 2010
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It is the same tune, and song. I LOVE IT!!! Thanks, Conrad.
Brighid O'Mahuna of Flinthyll
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sauer, Michael F." <sauerm@...>
To: <CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford

> Hese's the tune right from playford
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> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/046.pdf
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> On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Brenda Knox wrote:
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> I don't know about the dance, but I have played a tune with the same
> title. We used it as a waltz for a contra. There is a song on some Celtic
> Christmas albums with the same tune. I am hoping it is the same one. Do
> you have a link for the tune, or shall I shuffle around in the sca
> waterloo site?
> Brighid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ChrisM
> To: CalontirDance@yahoogroups.com<mailto:CalontirDance%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:11 PM
> Subject: [CalontirDance] Help deciphering Playford
>
> I've been looking at the dance "Drive the Cold Winter Away."
>
> A transcription of Playford's descriftion is here:
> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/dances/Playford/DriveWinter.txt
>
> I'm having a hard time visualizing what's going on here during the
> refrain. Could someone kindly walk me through this?
>
> --In joy and service,
> Christian d'Hiver
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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• ... The Playford tune, earliest known 1666, says Simpson in _The British Broadside Ballad & Its Music_. The lyrics, well, that depends on which lyrics you re
Message 7 of 9 , Oct 25, 2010
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:38:22PM -0500, Brenda Knox wrote:

> Thanks, Conrad. It really is the same tune, just arranged a LEETLE bit
> different. This is a beautiful tune, and there are lyrics very good for
> holiday time that go with it. i wonder when they were composed?

The Playford tune, earliest known 1666, says Simpson in _The British
Broadside Ballad & Its Music_. The lyrics, well, that depends on which
lyrics you're looking at. None are known to be pre-1600.

-- Gregory
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