Re: Waterproof-Breathable Jackets
- Hi MIke,
It is possible wear out your gore-tex even if you wash and treat it.
I had to replace my old North Face favorite after about 10 years when
it started seeping water this fall. Usually I use the gore-tex shell
when I'm out in a mix of rain and snow. I never put more than a
silkweight base layer and light fleece under it if I'm active (and
I'm always the first person to get cold). I bought an Arcteryx beta
SL from ebay after looking around a lot.
I also got a used Patagonia stretch element jacket from ebay a few
months ago. It seems to be completely windproof and waterproof (I've
soaked it in the rain walking my dog as an experiment) but it still
stretches and breathes like a soft shell and doesn't have that
annoying crunchy feel/sound to it in cold weather.
Hope this helps.
--- In SFCMC@yahoogroups.com, "mp5of8" <mp5of8@...> wrote:
> Hi I'm looking for some info on Jackets. I need to replace my old
> North Face Gore-tex Mtn Jacket. I used it today while it was
> and it soaked through, it isn't on warranty either. There are a lot
> of new coatings and material on the market, some are a lot cheaper
> than Gore-tex but I don't know if any are solid products or are they
> hype? Who is making the best product? What is the state of the
> What have you done well with? I'd like to find something that will
> work for both winter and summer.
- Michael, Hi,I see that you've got really sound comment from Clem, Maureen and others; such that I should not make any further comment. Except...... you add that you had 2 or three layers of SYNTHETIC clothing......
- Yes, reproof Goretex if the clothing is older/well used. Tectron spray is very good - although not as good as when the article left the factory.
- However, your using synthetic layers is pretty certain to be, or at least add to, the problem. Synthetics can handle water moisture, but not water vapor; whereas wool can handle both. To consider the classic example of gortex boots: yes, the Gortex people are right when they say that Gortex can breathe. It can breath better than a polly bag over your foot. But cotton socks can retain <200% of their weight in water, and so almost-ensures chaffing and blisters. Wicking socks with a polly outer cannot handle water vapor, and that can cause blisters. One needs a wicking sock with a wool outer, which retains both water vapor and moisture until they can seep out through the Gortex in their own good time. (Interestingly, Keene say that their Event boots are better than Gortex since they can breath almost as well as your standard breathable, but that is another story).
- So, by all means reproof your favorite gear to see if that works and saves you a small fortune, but replace the synthetic layers with Smartwool or Icebreaker. (Arcterix deservedly had a great reputation, but they seem to have "lost the plot" in recent years).
michael Palmer <mp5of8@...> wrote:Thanks Maureen and Roger. I don't know if the wetness came from inside or out. It was a wet snow and we were working and sweating but I also had on 2 and 3 layers of synthetic clothing. In any case at the end of the day the shell jacket was too wet. If I'd been spending the night out I would have been concerned.
Maureen Maguire <mlmaguire1@yahoo. com> wrote:Hi, go to Marmot Mountain Works in Berkely and talk to
the store manager there. He can give you the whole
rundown and show you some products. Personally, there
is nothing like an Arteryx product but hey, you may
need to sell your car to own one. Roger is right,
gortex and other membrane fabric is only for really
cold weather, which we rarely see here in CA,
especially at the lower elevations. If you exert hard
enough to sweat your own condensation builds up and
cannot escape if the weather is wet as well. You will
be ringing wet from the inside out. I'm going with a
silk tshirt, a wool shirt, and a cheap polyurethane
coated jacket for real downpour protection. All from
--- Roger Reid <rogerreid3@yahoo. com> wrote:
> 1. Did your gortex "let in" moisture, or did it
> contain your own moisture?
> (That is often the problem, i.e. the gortex is
> still working, but you do not have sufficient
> wicking layer/are working extra hard/combination of
> 2. Failing that, the earlier advices about
> reproofing with Nixwax, or looking at a Golite are
> very sound points.
> mp5of8 <mp5of8@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Hi I'm looking for some info on Jackets. I
> need to replace my old
> North Face Gore-tex Mtn Jacket. I used it today
> while it was snowing
> and it soaked through, it isn't on warranty either.
> There are a lot
> of new coatings and material on the market, some are
> a lot cheaper
> than Gore-tex but I don't know if any are solid
> products or are they
> hype? Who is making the best product? What is the
> state of the art?
> What have you done well with? I'd like to find
> something that will
> work for both winter and summer.
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