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  • AmLee Billing Services
    Oh Gee Thanks Don help out Nellie! Amie Pennington-White ... From: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CRN-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Self, CSS, BFMA Sent:
    Message 1 of 19 , Jul 1, 2005
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      Oh Gee Thanks Don help out Nellie!

      Amie Pennington-White

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      Self, CSS, BFMA
      Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:32 PM
      To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam

      Nellie - if you need a job in McAllen - I might be able to suggest a couple
      of doc offices that I work with there

      Don Self, CSS, BFMA
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      305 Senter Avenue, Whitehouse, TX 75791
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      > Hi Chris, My name is Nellie and I'd love to see and take your test...I've
      > been a CPC for 10 years and have 23 years of experience....Variety of
      > specialties including owning my own 2 practice billing service...I'm
      > interested in the
      > position...Is it a local practice or what state is this position for? I'm
      > in
      > Texas, look forward on hearing from you...(How do you access the test from
      > Don's Web site?)
      >
      > Nellie Garcia, RMA,CPC
      > McAllen, Texas
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    • Scott Harleman
      Hi, Chris! I own a start-up medical billing company -- Blue Ridge Medical Billing www.healthcarebill.com -- and have an experienced biller who is begging for
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        Hi, Chris!

        I own a start-up medical billing company -- Blue Ridge Medical Billing www.healthcarebill.com -- and have an experienced biller who is begging for more work to do. Unfortunately we are not getting any new business. I believe that she could do the job remotely for several reasons:
        a.. We use eFax, which faxes to/from either traditional fax machines or the Internet.
        b.. We can have one of your phone numbers forwarded to her phone.
        c.. She has worked in both the provider and the payer arenas (including UnitedHealthcare).
        d.. I'm sure that we could set up the ability for her to post payments/charges on your system.
        e.. She doesn't have much coding experience...but she is very eager to learn.
        Contact me (or Keesha, in the Cc: line) if you're interested.

        Scott Harleman
        Blue Ridge Medical Billing, LLC

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Chris Felthauser" <chrisf@...>
        To: <CRN-L@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:28 PM
        Subject: RE: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam


        > Barbara that would be fantastic, unfortunately, I work for a technology
        > challenged office and I am slowly but surely moving them towards more
        > advanced billing/coding/EMR, but it is a slow process.
        >
        > The other part is, that I need a coder who can do more than just code.
        > I need a coder/biller who can handle phone calls, post payments/charges,
        > call insurances and code. I would prefer someone with ASC coding
        > experience, but know there isn't a lot of people out there that have it,
        > so I can train the right person.
        >
        > I really need some help that way I can focus more on the physician
        > education piece.
        >
        > This is some of the prettiest country out this way. We are located 2
        > hours south of Portland, OR, 45 minutes from the coast in a very liberal
        > town. Summers are fantastic...no snow during winter...rain, which makes
        > everything lush and green. I hope this is tempting someone!
        >
        > Chris
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Barbara J. Cobuzzi [mailto:b.cobuzzi@...]
        > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:04 PM
        > To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam
        >
        > What about using remote coders? In today's electronic age, why do you
        > need
        > the person right there in Oregen?
        >
        > Barbara
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        > Chris Felthauser
        > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:00 PM
        > To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam
        >
        > Thanks..
        >
        > Next question....anyone want to move to Eugene Oregon?
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Janelle Lucas [mailto:janelle@...]
        > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:36 PM
        > To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam
        >
        > Chris, I have not had a chance to do the test yet. I will try this
        > weekend
        > and hopefully will be able to give you some feed back on Tuesday.
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CRN-L@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        > Chris Felthauser
        > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:27 PM
        > To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam
        >
        > Has anyone out there tried my pre employment coding exam that Don put on
        > his webpage, and Barbara put on the CRN listserve? When I wrote it, I
        > gave it out to a few people because I was worried that it was too
        > difficult. The responses I received was that no one found it that
        > difficult.
        >
        >
        >
        > Here's my problem....I am desperate for another coder/biller helper
        > person, so we have been interviewing, and no one has even come close to
        > passing that test. Most of them have taken over 2 hours and are running
        > around a 30% accuracy rate. Granted there isn't a lot of coders in this
        > area, so my choice pool hasn't been that large. What I am wondering is
        > what others have experienced with my exam? Am I making this too hard?
        > I certainly hope not, because this is what they are going to be looking
        > at every day. Please provide me with some feedback, I would truly
        > appreciate it.
        >
        >
        >
        > Chris
        >
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      • Chris Felthauser
        Karen; Thank you for the response. Actually, I wrote this test with finding ASC coders in mind. I have other tests I have used in the past for physician
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          Karen;

          Thank you for the response. Actually, I wrote this test with finding
          ASC coders in mind. I have other tests I have used in the past for
          physician coders as well. Before I posted it, I tried to tell everyone
          that it was geared towards ASC coding, but am sure that anyone who wants
          to tweak it for their needs should be able to as well.

          I know first hand, that facility coding and physician coding are two
          separate animals. I was a physician coder for 15 years before I started
          ASC Coding. I also have my CPC and my CPC-H certification as well as
          being a PMCC Medical Coding Instructor. Unfortunately, I would take one
          of my students, but I am really looking for someone with ASC coding
          experience and will hold out til I find one.

          My biggest concern was I interviewed two separate coders, both with
          their CPC-H certifications (however they were both newly certified) and
          neither one of them passed the exam and took way to long to take it (the
          exam is 25 questions, both spent 3 hours on it and never even completed
          it) and I was really worried that maybe it was to hard. Thank you for
          your comments about a facility coder wouldn't have problems with the
          exam, that is exactly what I was after.

          And thank you to everyone who offered their services, however, I am not
          looking to outsource this position either, because I need someone who
          can not only do coding, but handle a lot of billing tasks as well,
          posting payments/charges, phone calls to insurance, working A/R, the
          whole gambit.

          Thanks again for reviewing the exam. I appreciate it.

          Christopher B. Felthauser, CPC, CPC-H
          PMCC Medical Coding Instructor
          Orion Medical Services



          -----Original Message-----
          From: HPMSI@... [mailto:HPMSI@...]
          Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:06 PM
          To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam



          Chris:

          I took your test from the CRN website.

          I am a former receptionist, turned biller, turned coder/biller, turned
          practice administrator (after 12 years of night college). I owned a
          billing
          agency for 8 years, and also taught medical office operations and coding
          at the
          college level for 5 years. I am also a PMCC instructor. I've been
          doing this
          for 27 years. *All 'physician' (professional) focused.

          If you were interviewing and testing a "coder" with outpatient/ASC
          coding
          experience - they would pass your test. If you were interviewing
          someone who
          thought they knew how to code because they've been doing billing work,
          they
          would fail your test. Many billers consider themselves to be 'coders.'

          There is a *BIG* difference between the two professions (and in my
          opinion
          there should not be, but that's a separate preaching), but most billers
          are not
          aware of that.

          A CPC with ASC/facility coding experience would pass you test. I have
          never
          coded for the facility side - and did not answer some of the questions
          because of that, therefore I would have failed your test.

          Hopefully, you are providing the test-taker with coding books - and
          making
          absolutely sure *they have coded for faciltiy services* - a very
          different
          approach than coding for physician (professional) services.

          One of my former employees went to work for the hospital, *billing* for
          the
          facility side, after 2 years of professional billing (no coding).
          Fortunately she did not have to "code" for the services (they have
          coders for that) -
          she did very well because her training in billing at my company allowed
          her to
          retrieve monies that would have been lost. She knew how to spot
          medical
          necessity denials, etc - that might relate back to the coding
          department,
          although *coding* was not something she was trained to do. She knew
          the difference.

          I recommend you consider that coding and billing are separate and focus
          your
          applicants on either/or. There are a few of us that know both (don't
          ask me
          to facility code or code for anesthesia - there is no way!) - and then
          define it to professional or facility.

          I think then, you'll find a match for what you need.

          Good luck to you,

          Karen Hurley


          ____________________________________


          In a message dated 6/30/2005 3:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
          chrisf@... writes:

          Has anyone out there tried my pre employment coding exam that Don put
          on
          his webpage, and Barbara put on the CRN listserve? When I wrote it, I
          gave it out to a few people because I was worried that it was too
          difficult. The responses I received was that no one found it that
          difficult.



          Here's my problem....I am desperate for another coder/biller helper
          person, so we have been interviewing, and no one has even come close to
          passing that test. Most of them have taken over 2 hours and are
          running
          around a 30% accuracy rate. Granted there isn't a lot of coders in
          this
          area, so my choice pool hasn't been that large. What I am wondering is
          what others have experienced with my exam? Am I making this too hard?
          I certainly hope not, because this is what they are going to be looking
          at every day. Please provide me with some feedback, I would truly
          appreciate it.



          Chris



          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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        • Denise Ladd
          What state are you located in? Denise Ladd Business Manager Westfield Surgery Center 4825 Tilghman Street Allentown, PA 18104 610/530-8343 610/530-1617 Fax
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            What state are you located in?

            Denise Ladd
            Business Manager
            Westfield Surgery Center
            4825 Tilghman Street
            Allentown, PA 18104
            610/530-8343
            610/530-1617 Fax
            email:dladd@...

            -----Original Message-----
            From: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CRN-L@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
            Chris Felthauser
            Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:43 AM
            To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam


            Karen;

            Thank you for the response. Actually, I wrote this test with finding
            ASC coders in mind. I have other tests I have used in the past for
            physician coders as well. Before I posted it, I tried to tell everyone
            that it was geared towards ASC coding, but am sure that anyone who wants
            to tweak it for their needs should be able to as well.

            I know first hand, that facility coding and physician coding are two
            separate animals. I was a physician coder for 15 years before I started
            ASC Coding. I also have my CPC and my CPC-H certification as well as
            being a PMCC Medical Coding Instructor. Unfortunately, I would take one
            of my students, but I am really looking for someone with ASC coding
            experience and will hold out til I find one.

            My biggest concern was I interviewed two separate coders, both with
            their CPC-H certifications (however they were both newly certified) and
            neither one of them passed the exam and took way to long to take it (the
            exam is 25 questions, both spent 3 hours on it and never even completed
            it) and I was really worried that maybe it was to hard. Thank you for
            your comments about a facility coder wouldn't have problems with the
            exam, that is exactly what I was after.

            And thank you to everyone who offered their services, however, I am not
            looking to outsource this position either, because I need someone who
            can not only do coding, but handle a lot of billing tasks as well,
            posting payments/charges, phone calls to insurance, working A/R, the
            whole gambit.

            Thanks again for reviewing the exam. I appreciate it.

            Christopher B. Felthauser, CPC, CPC-H
            PMCC Medical Coding Instructor
            Orion Medical Services



            -----Original Message-----
            From: HPMSI@... [mailto:HPMSI@...]
            Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:06 PM
            To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam



            Chris:

            I took your test from the CRN website.

            I am a former receptionist, turned biller, turned coder/biller, turned
            practice administrator (after 12 years of night college). I owned a
            billing
            agency for 8 years, and also taught medical office operations and coding
            at the
            college level for 5 years. I am also a PMCC instructor. I've been
            doing this
            for 27 years. *All 'physician' (professional) focused.

            If you were interviewing and testing a "coder" with outpatient/ASC
            coding
            experience - they would pass your test. If you were interviewing
            someone who
            thought they knew how to code because they've been doing billing work,
            they
            would fail your test. Many billers consider themselves to be 'coders.'

            There is a *BIG* difference between the two professions (and in my
            opinion
            there should not be, but that's a separate preaching), but most billers
            are not
            aware of that.

            A CPC with ASC/facility coding experience would pass you test. I have
            never
            coded for the facility side - and did not answer some of the questions
            because of that, therefore I would have failed your test.

            Hopefully, you are providing the test-taker with coding books - and
            making
            absolutely sure *they have coded for faciltiy services* - a very
            different
            approach than coding for physician (professional) services.

            One of my former employees went to work for the hospital, *billing* for
            the
            facility side, after 2 years of professional billing (no coding).
            Fortunately she did not have to "code" for the services (they have
            coders for that) -
            she did very well because her training in billing at my company allowed
            her to
            retrieve monies that would have been lost. She knew how to spot
            medical
            necessity denials, etc - that might relate back to the coding
            department,
            although *coding* was not something she was trained to do. She knew
            the difference.

            I recommend you consider that coding and billing are separate and focus
            your
            applicants on either/or. There are a few of us that know both (don't
            ask me
            to facility code or code for anesthesia - there is no way!) - and then
            define it to professional or facility.

            I think then, you'll find a match for what you need.

            Good luck to you,

            Karen Hurley


            ____________________________________


            In a message dated 6/30/2005 3:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
            chrisf@... writes:

            Has anyone out there tried my pre employment coding exam that Don put
            on
            his webpage, and Barbara put on the CRN listserve? When I wrote it, I
            gave it out to a few people because I was worried that it was too
            difficult. The responses I received was that no one found it that
            difficult.



            Here's my problem....I am desperate for another coder/biller helper
            person, so we have been interviewing, and no one has even come close to
            passing that test. Most of them have taken over 2 hours and are
            running
            around a 30% accuracy rate. Granted there isn't a lot of coders in
            this
            area, so my choice pool hasn't been that large. What I am wondering is
            what others have experienced with my exam? Am I making this too hard?
            I certainly hope not, because this is what they are going to be looking
            at every day. Please provide me with some feedback, I would truly
            appreciate it.



            Chris



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            Can you send me a copy of your examination with answers. I will also give you immediate feed back Tamia Fontaine, CCS, CPC, NR-CMA, CBCS, NCICS, CMB, CMC, CMC,
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              Can you send me a copy of your examination with
              answers. I will also give you immediate feed back

              Tamia Fontaine, CCS, CPC, NR-CMA, CBCS, NCICS, CMB,
              CMC, CMC, CCP, NR-CCS, CMIS, CMM

              --- Denise Ladd <dladd@...> wrote:

              > What state are you located in?
              >
              > Denise Ladd
              > Business Manager
              > Westfield Surgery Center
              > 4825 Tilghman Street
              > Allentown, PA 18104
              > 610/530-8343
              > 610/530-1617 Fax
              > email:dladd@...
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
              > [mailto:CRN-L@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
              > Chris Felthauser
              > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:43 AM
              > To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: RE: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam
              >
              >
              > Karen;
              >
              > Thank you for the response. Actually, I wrote this
              > test with finding
              > ASC coders in mind. I have other tests I have used
              > in the past for
              > physician coders as well. Before I posted it, I
              > tried to tell everyone
              > that it was geared towards ASC coding, but am sure
              > that anyone who wants
              > to tweak it for their needs should be able to as
              > well.
              >
              > I know first hand, that facility coding and
              > physician coding are two
              > separate animals. I was a physician coder for 15
              > years before I started
              > ASC Coding. I also have my CPC and my CPC-H
              > certification as well as
              > being a PMCC Medical Coding Instructor.
              > Unfortunately, I would take one
              > of my students, but I am really looking for someone
              > with ASC coding
              > experience and will hold out til I find one.
              >
              > My biggest concern was I interviewed two separate
              > coders, both with
              > their CPC-H certifications (however they were both
              > newly certified) and
              > neither one of them passed the exam and took way to
              > long to take it (the
              > exam is 25 questions, both spent 3 hours on it and
              > never even completed
              > it) and I was really worried that maybe it was to
              > hard. Thank you for
              > your comments about a facility coder wouldn't have
              > problems with the
              > exam, that is exactly what I was after.
              >
              > And thank you to everyone who offered their
              > services, however, I am not
              > looking to outsource this position either, because I
              > need someone who
              > can not only do coding, but handle a lot of billing
              > tasks as well,
              > posting payments/charges, phone calls to insurance,
              > working A/R, the
              > whole gambit.
              >
              > Thanks again for reviewing the exam. I appreciate
              > it.
              >
              > Christopher B. Felthauser, CPC, CPC-H
              > PMCC Medical Coding Instructor
              > Orion Medical Services
              >
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: HPMSI@... [mailto:HPMSI@...]
              > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:06 PM
              > To: CRN-L@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [CRN-L] Pre Employment Coding Exam
              >
              >
              >
              > Chris:
              >
              > I took your test from the CRN website.
              >
              > I am a former receptionist, turned biller, turned
              > coder/biller, turned
              > practice administrator (after 12 years of night
              > college). I owned a
              > billing
              > agency for 8 years, and also taught medical office
              > operations and coding
              > at the
              > college level for 5 years. I am also a PMCC
              > instructor. I've been
              > doing this
              > for 27 years. *All 'physician' (professional)
              > focused.
              >
              > If you were interviewing and testing a "coder" with
              > outpatient/ASC
              > coding
              > experience - they would pass your test. If you were
              > interviewing
              > someone who
              > thought they knew how to code because they've been
              > doing billing work,
              > they
              > would fail your test. Many billers consider
              > themselves to be 'coders.'
              >
              > There is a *BIG* difference between the two
              > professions (and in my
              > opinion
              > there should not be, but that's a separate
              > preaching), but most billers
              > are not
              > aware of that.
              >
              > A CPC with ASC/facility coding experience would pass
              > you test. I have
              > never
              > coded for the facility side - and did not answer
              > some of the questions
              > because of that, therefore I would have failed your
              > test.
              >
              > Hopefully, you are providing the test-taker with
              > coding books - and
              > making
              > absolutely sure *they have coded for faciltiy
              > services* - a very
              > different
              > approach than coding for physician (professional)
              > services.
              >
              > One of my former employees went to work for the
              > hospital, *billing* for
              > the
              > facility side, after 2 years of professional billing
              > (no coding).
              > Fortunately she did not have to "code" for the
              > services (they have
              > coders for that) -
              > she did very well because her training in billing at
              > my company allowed
              > her to
              > retrieve monies that would have been lost. She
              > knew how to spot
              > medical
              > necessity denials, etc - that might relate back to
              > the coding
              > department,
              > although *coding* was not something she was trained
              > to do. She knew
              > the difference.
              >
              > I recommend you consider that coding and billing are
              > separate and focus
              > your
              > applicants on either/or. There are a few of us that
              > know both (don't
              > ask me
              > to facility code or code for anesthesia - there is
              > no way!) - and then
              > define it to professional or facility.
              >
              > I think then, you'll find a match for what you need.
              >
              > Good luck to you,
              >
              > Karen Hurley
              >
              >
              > ____________________________________
              >
              >
              > In a message dated 6/30/2005 3:24:39 PM Eastern
              > Standard Time,
              > chrisf@... writes:
              >
              > Has anyone out there tried my pre employment coding
              > exam that Don put
              > on
              > his webpage, and Barbara put on the CRN listserve?
              > When I wrote it, I
              > gave it out to a few people because I was worried
              > that it was too
              > difficult. The responses I received was that no one
              > found it that
              > difficult.
              >
              >
              >
              > Here's my problem....I am desperate for another
              > coder/biller helper
              >
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