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Re: [CALBIRDS] habitat politics

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  • kmburton
    I think it s important to keep in mind what these fires mean in real terms. Even people on this list have lamented the loss of treasured birding sites.
    Message 1 of 3 , Nov 1, 2003
      I think it's important to keep in mind what these fires mean in real terms.
      Even people on this list have lamented the "loss" of treasured birding
      sites. These sites have not been lost; they've been altered temporarily.
      Granted, they will not return to pre-fire conditions in our lifetimes, but
      this is all part of a natural process. Don't we all get excited by seeing
      new birds in old places? These burn areas will be chock-full of new birds
      for years to come. Dick Hutto at Montana is convinced that even
      "catastrophic" fires are an essential part of most forest ecosystems; his
      studies show higher abundance and diversity in post-burn sites and some
      species are almost obligate burn specialists.

      It's much harder to garner public support for shrub and grassland habitats
      than treed ones. Apparently, even birders have fallen into this trap.
      While the loss of human life and property is lamentable, these fires are an
      ecological disaster ONLY if they provide fuel for developers.

      Ken Burton
      Inverness
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      Subject: [CALBIRDS] habitat politics


      > Even before the fires of Southern California fall to natural control by
      fog
      > and rain, already we have political precipitation from those who would
      like to
      > blame everything on the conservation community. Please see link below to
      an
      > article posted today by "the weekly Standard," by a "contributing editor,"
      one
      > Hugh Hewitt, who casually mentions that "as a lawyer representing
      > landowners," in the past he was angered and frustrated by agencies
      attempting to put a
      > rein on development at the cost of some habitat and species preservation.
      >
      >
      >
      http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/310euctj.a
      sp
      >
      > Don't worry. You have only begun to hear this sort of critique, at all
      > levels ascending to the halls of Congress. Be prepared!
      >
      > Alan Birnbaum
      > Fresno, CA
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    • Nathaniel Wander
      As an ecological anthropologist (someone who studies the interactive effects of socio-cultural and environmental processes), I d say it s not so simple as
      Message 2 of 3 , Nov 1, 2003
        As an ecological anthropologist (someone who studies the interactive
        effects of socio-cultural and environmental processes), I'd say it's not so
        simple as birders who refuse to accept variation or change vs. natural
        systems that thrive on or even demand them. Periodic fires may be an
        historical part of these ecological systems--even a necessity for some
        species to reproduce--but the intensity of some of these fires, stoked by
        decades of deliberate fire suppression, far exceed the parameters under
        which these systems evolved or to which member communities
        adapted. Quantitative changes can become qualitative ones, and this might
        not be the first time that humans in N. America added the extra little push
        that sent whole ecosystems right over the edge.

        Some pre-historians and paleo-ecologists hypothesize, for example, that
        aboriginal hunters at the end of the last ice age created just enough
        additional pressures to push the already stressed N. American megafauna
        right off the map, taking lots of other animals and plants with them. Not
        the least interesting of these to birders would have been Teratornis
        merriami, a giant condor of possibly 12-foot wingspan (as suggested by
        specimens recovered from the La Brea tarpits), which could well have been
        the N. American Indians "Thunderbird." Again, global warming would have
        been the background stressor to which human ingenuity added an extra oomph.

        That's for long term changes: simply put, there's little to guarantee that
        severely overstressed systems will return to anything like their historic
        parameters, no matter how many generations of birders wait them
        out. Long-term stressors are compounded by short-term ones as
        well. Humans have "de-natured," i.e., deforested, appropriated limited
        water supplies, paved so much of these environments, that there are limited
        refuges to which burned out species can retire to rebuild their populations
        or wait out the re-building of their food sources. Because of their
        mobility, many birds may have an easier time of reaching refuge than less
        mobile species, still. If enough links in the web are permanently broken
        or fundamentally altered, there's no telling what ecological communities
        will eventually repopulate the burns.

        Life is remarkably tenacious. Something will survive/return. The north
        face of Mount St Helens is literally "living proof" of that. But
        what? Admittedly the redistribution of carbon as a result of even the
        worst of the S. California fires doesn't come close to that of the
        Triassic-Jurassic Transition, but I doubt there are many dinosaur watchers
        out there still holding their breath. Likely any survivors have long since
        evolved into birders.

        Nathaniel Wander
        San Francisco

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