- Greetings, I have to agree on the delmatikion pattern with Timothy...... I don t know how your patterns are however Timothy. But if I may.. The basic layout ofMessage 1 of 2 , Jan 4, 2012View SourceGreetings,I have to agree on the delmatikion pattern with Timothy...... I don't know how your patterns are however Timothy. But if I may.. The basic layout of the pieces for tunic/overtunic/undertunic/dress that I make are as follows: the body was one long rectangle with a round neckhole in the middle (Im short so I can get away with this on the fabric), the armpit gusset is square, the gores however are trapezoid. I pretty much followed the Rashid pattern "Modern Cutting Layout for Tunic of Bishop Timotheos" except the gores were cut square not cut triangular then sewn to a square. Ive made the typicaly SCA t-tunic patterns and I like how this one feels, looks and is sewn together so much more.The Kamison/Tunica...or Coptic Tunic (CT)... has a quite a bit of misleading info as well. The fabric wasnt just undyed/white... it could have been yes but not the only option. Ive seen CTs that were red, yellow or almost goldenrod yellow, blue, byzantine purple (that color obtained through Murex was restricted but doesnt mean a mix of other more affordable and not "off-limits" dyestuff could have been used to closely match) in the main body of the garment.... I really wish pictures were allowed in the textile room of Dumbarton Oaks! I dont remember seeing a clasp on the neckline for the CT... would like to know where that information or source. Some of the embellishments on the CT would be too thick to allow this? Also any of the CT ive seen did not appear to have angles in the cut of the main body of the garment. I could be wrong on some accounts though....Ive never really understood the full length cloaks...or chalmys or khlamus. How could they be circular or oval and drape with a straight edge when worn as seen in the Ravenna mosaics of Emperor Justinian and Empress Theodora (and entourages). I have seen other mosaics in other locations where this is also achieved. Then again I am not a good seamstress and can understand the cut and flow of garments...
Side note: I have not uploaded any of my SCA A&S projects that relate to Byzantium or Rome because I don't feel comfortable with the amount of criticism I might receive... or I fear is that is it so "bad" that there would be no constructive criticism. I have to wonder if that's also what others feel/think and may be a possible contributor to the lack of discussion and participation in the group. Not everyone on here is a SME (subject matter expert) but I definitely know there are a few. Those who enjoy Byzantine topics and are not SMEs will, I believe, tend to "lurk" because they do not want to be spotlighted in anyway... Just a thought I had and maybe I am wrong about how other people may feel at times...~Rohesia Anven of ThessalonikiGovernor of NeophthiaDiocese of Anatoliou PelagousOn Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Timothy Dawson <timothy@...> wrote:> I have just posted patterns for four different articles ofYes, good try. It is just a shame that they are mostly wrong. Just a
Byzantine attire in the files section.
1: the khlamus was never any other shape than oval, except from the
later C11th when they cut it down to semi-oval, and often modified the
2: It was never worn in any other way than on the right shoulder. The
type of mantle worn fastened on the chest had several different names
and different characteristics (except from the later C11th ...).
3: The khlamus was already only formal wear by the fifth century. Day
to day wear for a man was a *coat*.
4: The rectangular women's shawl was not a φαινώλης (singular.
fainôlai is plural). It was called various other things. The
fainôlês was semi-circle closed to a cone.
5: Pretty well all the details of the delmatikion are wrong,
especially in connection with men.
More detail on Late Antiquity will be available in my book, By the
Emperor's Hand: court regalia and military dress in the Eastern Roman
Empire, c. 500–1453, due out later this year. (Don't be fooled by
the title - it does cover womnen's clothing as well) In the meantime,
for the middle Byzantine period, there are my Guides. Got to http://www.levantia.com.au
and proceed to "Products".
Dr. Timothy Dawson
Secretary / Treasurer
- ... The Bishop Timotheos patterns are good. Rômaikoi also used the familiar pattern that many people would think of as Bocksten style , which came in duringMessage 2 of 2 , Jan 9, 2012View Source
> I don't know how your patterns are however Timothy.The Bishop Timotheos patterns are good. Rômaikoi also used the
familiar pattern that many people would think of as "Bocksten style",
which came in during Late Antiquity. What makes it culturally
specific is how the nack opening is done, along with fabric style if
decorated, and trimming.
> Ive never really understood the full length cloaks...or chalmys orkhlamus. How could they be <S> oval and drape with a straight edge?
It was folded along the long axis, therefore bringing the tavlia onto
the straight edge thus created. Seems a bit clumsy to me, and I guess
eventuallyit did to them as well, for that was the simplification
introduced in the C11th, of splitting it down the long axis into a