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  • Tsangpa Bhu
    Its not question of dharma protector, its matter of spirit worship, who are like us still suffering out of ignorance.Dorjee shugden matters to individuals who
    Message 1 of 6 , Jul 1, 2010
      Its not question of dharma protector, its matter of spirit worship, who are like us still suffering  out of ignorance.Dorjee shugden matters to individuals who  propitiate him not works as protector of particular sect.Its nature of spirit  to save his worshipers and hurts when relation get bad



      From: Namdrol Tsepal <tenzin111@...>
      To: Buddhism101 Buddhism <buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tue, 29 June, 2010 9:31:50 AM
      Subject: [Buddhism_101] Dorje Shugden controversy - was: Re: Retraction

       

      Tashi Deleg All!


      I am not sure if anybody had mention or hear this but just sharing this little bit I learn.

      Understand that Dorje Shugden will only protect the student of Gelupa school and could cause disharmonious among the schools. And due to that His Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama decided to stop the practice of Dorje Shugden.

      Best Regards
      Namdrol Tsepal

      > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:22 +0000
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      > Subject: [Buddhism_101] Digest Number 2368
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      > 1a. Re: Dorje Shugden controversy - was: Re: Retraction: <-- Re: Want a
      > From: ken
      > 1b. Re: Dorje Shugden controversy - was: Re: Retraction: <-- Re: Want a
      > From: Sal Becker
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      > 2. Re: Glimpse of the Day
      > From: Namdrol Tsepal
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      > 1a. Re: Dorje Shugden controversy - was: Re: Retraction: <-- Re: Want a
      > Posted by: "ken" gebser@mousecar. com gebserisch
      > Date: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:38 am ((PDT))
      >
      > Sal,
      >
      > How does this controversy become a battle of egos? Whose egos? It
      > sounds as if you're saying that "there's really no substance at all to
      > this controversy. .. the Dalai Lama and others are just being egotistical
      > and trying to exert power over others." If you don't mean this (and I
      > would seriously hope that you don't), whose egos-- specifically- - are
      > you talking about? I'd also wonder how it's possible to say this or
      > that person is simply being
      egotistical, in effect reading the
      > intentions within their minds without having ever seeing, much less
      > actually knowing them.
      >
      > Also, I'd say that it doesn't really help to generalize the questions
      > surrounding Dorje Shugden to "dogma". After making such an assertion,
      > we are still left with the issue of Dorje Shugden, but without
      > understanding that issue any better. Yes, the issue is a little
      > difficult to understand, but this shouldn't lead us stand outside of it,
      > giving up trying to understand it, and then simply call it "dogma".
      > Rather, we should actually focus on, read about, and try to understand
      > issue before making judgments.
      >
      >
      > On 06/27/2010 01:19 AM Sal Becker wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > /I have read your discourse. I have to say, as an outsider looking in,
      > > this is but a battle of dogmas and egos. Funny
      that what drives most
      > > westerners to Buddhism is the perceived lack of dogmas and ego, but alas
      > > when you encourage one, the other feels slighted and surrenders to a
      > > bruised ego. An inherent necessity for survival is mans drive to be
      > > superior and stronger. This is innate. It is built into the primal brain
      > > for survival. It is that part of us that is part of everything, that
      > > battles this primitive survival tool. This is the seat of the ego, that
      > > part which must be overcome to achieve enlightenment. As seen in this
      > > situation, the primal still exerts so much control over the mind,
      > > enlightenment for most of us is still so far off./
      > > //
      > >
      > > /Namaste/
      > >
      > > /Sal/
      > >
      > > /Oh God beautiful, oh God beautiful
      > > At they feet, oh, I do bow
      > > Oh God
      beautiful, oh God beautiful/
      > >
      > > /In the Forest Thou art Green.
      > > In the Mountain Thou art High,
      > > In the River Thou art Restless,
      > > In the Ocean Thou art Grave./
      > >
      > > /To the Serviceful Thou art Service,
      > > To the Lover Thou art Love,
      > > To the Sorrowful Thou art Sympathy,
      > > To the Yogi Thou art Bliss./
      > >
      > > /Oh God beautiful, oh God beautiful
      > > At they feet , oh, I do bow
      > > Oh God beautiful, oh God beautiful/
      > >
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      > 1b. Re: Dorje Shugden controversy - was: Re: Retraction: <-- Re: Want a
      > Posted by: "Sal Becker" salbecker@cox. net salbecker56
      > Date: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:48 am ((PDT))
      >
      > Ken,
      >
      > Yes I do see all this as a matter of dogma and ego. I apologize if this offends your senses, but maybe they need to be offended for you to be awakened. With these conflicts you do a great disservice to the teachings of Buddha. Rather than removing suffering from this world, such conflicts bring more suffering. This is why I say it is of the ego. As far as being dogma, well we are talking about issues contrived of man for man are we not?
      >
      > If these thoughts offend you, then maybe you need to seek how far from the truth and the simple premise Buddha gave.... To remove suffering... . That is it, nothing more. As with the teachings of Jesus, man has made a mountain out of the mole hill of simplicity truth of what these two enlightened beings brought to us.
      > Namaste
      >
      > Sal
      >
      > Oh God beautiful, oh God beautiful
      > At they feet, oh, I do bow
      > Oh God beautiful, oh God
      beautiful
      >
      > In the Forest Thou art Green.
      > In the Mountain Thou art High,
      > In the River Thou art Restless,
      > In the Ocean Thou art Grave.
      >
      > To the Serviceful Thou art Service,
      > To the Lover Thou art Love,
      > To the Sorrowful Thou art Sympathy,
      > To the Yogi Thou art Bliss.
      >
      > Oh God beautiful, oh God beautiful
      > At they feet , oh, I do bow
      > Oh God beautiful, oh God beautiful
      >
      >
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      > 2. Re: Glimpse of the Day
      > Posted by: "Namdrol Tsepal" tenzin111@hotmail. com tenzin111
      > Date: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:06 pm ((PDT))
      >
      >
      >
      > When you arrive naturally at a state of meditation, inspired by
      the View, you can remain there for a long time without any distraction or special effort. There is nothing called “meditation” to protect or sustain, for you are in the natural flow of the wisdom of Rigpa. And you realize, when you are in it, that is how it has always been, and is. When the wisdom of Rigpa shines, not one shadow of doubt can remain, and a deep, complete understanding arises, effortlessly and directly.
      > This moment is the moment of awakening. A profound sense of humor wells up from within, and you smile in amusement at how inadequate were all your former concepts and ideas about the nature of mind.
      > Sogyal Rinpoche
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