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9963wisdom from where? [was: Re: [Buddhism_101] Re: Jesus was Buddhist!]

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  • ken
    Oct 2, 2008
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      Thanks for that, John. (I've saved the quote off to my notes.) Here's

      "The ultimate view is to observe one's own mind,
      steadfastly and with determination.
      Buddhahood cannot be found outside,
      so contemplate your own mind.
      Behold and watch unborn awareness;
      how can common meditation match it?

      The ultimate guru is Buddha-mind within;
      do not seek elsewhere.
      All forms are nothing but mind.
      Recognizing one's true nature as Dharmakaya,
      swiftly actualize immanent Buddhahood. "

      - - Milarepa, in a song to Gampopa

      Sorry I don't have a more precise citation for it.

      On 10/02/2008 06:09 AM John Pellecchia wrote:
      > Good morning Bev,
      > I tend to agree to a certain point with your comments. While these
      > discussions may seem to be an effort to support one's unique point of
      > view, however, there is a strong history and acceptance of debate and
      > discussion in Buddhism. We need to remember that the Buddha encouraged
      > discussion as a means of teaching the Dharma. The sutras in the
      > Tripataka are replete with this type of discourse in its record. This
      > is one aspect that makes Buddhism unique as a "religion" (a hotly
      > contested word usage among some Buddhists on various websites). We need
      > to remember the Buddha Shakyamuni encouraged thinking-out-of-the-box.
      > "Do not go by oral tradition, by lineage of teaching, by hearsay, by a
      > collection of texts, by logic, by inferential reasoning, by reasoned
      > cogitation, by the acceptance of a view after pondering it, by the
      > seeming competence of a speaker, or because you think, 'The ascetic is
      > our teacher.' But when you know for yourselves, 'These things are
      > unwholesome; these things are blamable; these things are censured by
      > the wise; these things, if undertaken and practiced, lead to harm and
      > suffering,' then you should abandon them." ("In the Buddha's Words"
      > edited by Bhikkhu Bodhi) I can only quote the words of the sutras or
      > those of greater knowledge than myself and extrapolate what I understand.
      > If you follow the thread to its earliest source you'll find that it was
      > initiated to some degree by Bhikkhu Samahita (a Buddhist monk) who
      > postulated that Jesus
      > had been exposed to Buddhist concepts in the so-called "lost" years.
      > Again, I find that concept somewhat far fetched; to date in the
      > archaeological record there has been no evidence of Buddhism found in
      > Middle Eastern areas (other than the Silk Road area in present
      > day Afghanistan [see http://www.ess.uci.edu/~oliver/silk.html
      > <http://www.ess.uci.edu/~oliver/silk.html> ]) of which I am aware. At
      > the same time, I'm fully aware
      > that Buddhism has and will continue to adapt to the specific culture to
      > which it spreads, We see this in each of the Buddhist traditions in the
      > Far East: China, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. People are apt to
      > insert their unique societal and cultural traditions into any practice
      > as it migrates.
      > I, too, am somewhat concerned that there will be (perhaps "is" is more
      > accurate) a hybridization of Buddhism as it gains popularity in Western
      > cultures: that it will assimilate Judeo-Christian concepts into it's
      > structure.
      > I am reminded of the Vietnamese Zen monk Thich Nhat Hanh who states in
      > his book "Living Buddha, Living Christ" that he has incorporated "…on
      > the altar of my hermitage in France…statues of Buddhas and bodhisattvas
      > and also an image of Jesus Christ. I do not feel any conflict within me.
      > Instead I feel stronger because I have more than one root." Personally,
      > I find this somewhat contradictory but I look at the more subtle concept
      > and wonder what harm if any does it create.
      > In regard to your inquiry that you "...have been asked...to join a group
      > that meets for a few hours a week. I would, but I'm not sure of protocol
      > for entering, talking, manners, etc. in a more formal setting. If
      > someone would be able to help me with this, I would be supremely
      > appreciative." A lot will depend upon the tradition that the group is
      > following. You're best to contact one of the group leaders and ask him
      > or her what is the protocol to which they adhere. Many groups have a
      > pamphlet available for newcomers that outlines their ceremony if any.
      > More formal groups may have a ceremony including prayers and
      > prostrations. If the group meets in a shrine room typically shoes are
      > removed before entering as a sign of respect. More informal groups may
      > have a text they are reading as a group followed by a discussion of how
      > the text relates to each of them. In any respect take advantage of the
      > offer. Don't allow your uncertainty to keep you from
      > attending what will probably be a positive experience. I hope this is of
      > some help.
      > May all be at peace.
      > John
      > If for company you find a wise and prudent friend
      > who leads a good life,
      > you should, overcoming all impediments,
      > keep his company joyously and mindfully.
      > (The Dhammapada 22:328
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: "bjpnest@... <mailto:bjpnest%40aol.com>" <bjpnest@...
      > <mailto:bjpnest%40aol.com>>
      > Dear Friends,
      > I have been reading this thread with interest. What comes across to me are
      > writers trying to explain their own beliefs and hoping to mesh or weave
      > them
      > into a universality. It will keep going around and around in circles
      > with no
      > concrete resolution as each tries to "promote" his or her own case. It is a
      > good thing that we do not all believe the same way. Having said that,
      > there are only so many ways we can say the same thing, as I am beginning to
      > understand these messages. We must agree to disagree since none of us
      > will ever
      > be able to positively say, "This is the answer." And is that so bad? I
      > think, Yes. Because it keeps us embroiled in mini debates that can not
      > be proved
      > or disproved. It keeps us from following the path we chose when we joined
      > this group. It keeps us from living NOW, in this moment. What cannot be
      > answered with any surety might be better left for a Koan or for our
      > personal
      > meditation. I am much more interested in hearing what members have been
      > through
      > with the general public or teachers or any experience as it pertains to the
      > here and now. I also have been sitting solitarily for a long time, but have
      > been asked if I'd like to join a group that meets for a few hours a week. I
      > would, but I'm not sure of protocol for entering, talking, manners, etc.
      > in a
      > more formal setting. If someone would be able to help me with this, I would
      > be supremely appreciative.
      > Bev
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