9960Re: [Buddhism_101] Re: Jesus was Buddhist!
- Oct 1, 2008Dear Friends,
I have been reading this thread with interest. What comes across to me are
writers trying to explain their own beliefs and hoping to mesh or weave them
into a universality. It will keep going around and around in circles with no
concrete resolution as each tries to "promote" his or her own case. It is a
good thing that we do not all believe the same way. Having said that,
there are only so many ways we can say the same thing, as I am beginning to
understand these messages. We must agree to disagree since none of us will ever
be able to positively say, "This is the answer." And is that so bad? I
think, Yes. Because it keeps us embroiled in mini debates that can not be proved
or disproved. It keeps us from following the path we chose when we joined
this group. It keeps us from living NOW, in this moment. What cannot be
answered with any surety might be better left for a Koan or for our personal
meditation. I am much more interested in hearing what members have been through
with the general public or teachers or any experience as it pertains to the
here and now. I also have been sitting solitarily for a long time, but have
been asked if I'd like to join a group that meets for a few hours a week. I
would, but I'm not sure of protocol for entering, talking, manners, etc. in a
more formal setting. If someone would be able to help me with this, I would
be supremely appreciative.
In a message dated 10/1/2008 5:47:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
John and Rob,
I truly do not wish to hijack this thread. But....;)
Having given thought to your words John, and aligning them to my
current readings, I would have to come to the conclusion that Jesus
was not a Buddhist. I would agree he more than likely studied the
teachings of Bhudda.
But to underlying message of Jesus, I would be more inclined to say
that he aligned himself more with the living in the pure love of God
from the Hindu Beliefs. As I read more of the Hindu teachings and
compare them to the teachings of Christ, I see more purely the Hindu
influence on Jesus.
I interchange Jesus and Christ here simply as a point of Jesus the man
who achieved enlightenment in the pure love of God and became the Christ.
I assures you, the Bhudda's, The Hindu Saints, The Christ and the
Christ like Saints of Christianity as well as the holy men all the
peoples of the world conspire to see man achieve enlightenment.
Namaste and Peace to All
--- In _Buddhism_101@Buddhism_101Bud_ (mailto:Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com) ,
John Pellecchia <pellejf@...> wrote:
>concept of Buddhism especially that of Maitreya, Buddha, and Jesus. In
> Good morning Sal,
> I'm sure there are many sites on the Internet that misrepresent the
fact on one such site they purport that Mohammed is really the
>the purpose of the reincarnation to learn that which one needs to
> > "...then to what purpose is the belief of reincarnation. Is not
obtain perfection. How is one to do so without the history of the past
and the promise of the future.
>promise of being in the eternal presence of Gods Love which the soul
> "If there is no creator, then to what end of it all. Is it not the
follows and draws wisdom and strength from. For if there is nothing
else once one has achieved perfection, then the promise of
reincarnation would only lead one to not learn his or her lesson, not
achieve perfection to gaurantee immortality. (I do love this debate
simply that it is an exercise in spirituality on its most provoked
level. I will respect your wishes and bait you no further.)"
>so much of what I am writing please take with that understanding.
> Just remember that I am not a Lama or monk. I have no empowerments
>Buddhists. This is one of the ten unanswered questions of the Buddha
> As to a Supreme Being this is another contested belief among some
and I believe I wrote on this subject earlier. You may wish to read
the following from "Good Question, Good Answer" by the Venerable
Shravasti Dhammika at _http://www.buddhanehttp://www.buddhhttp://wwhtt_
>that there is a permanent "soul" or atman. In Buddhism there is no
> Your statement, however, (at least to my understanding) presupposes
such concept of soul but rather of non-soul (anatman) since no "thing"
is permanent. The concept of "reincarnation" is a Hindu belief; that
there is an eternal self (atman) that migrates from body to body prior
to birth. Buddhists believe in "rebirth" although some use the two
terms (reincarnation and rebirth) interchangeably. Upon attaining
Nirvana one transcends the act of rebirth and ends the cycle of
rebirth. No immortality. No living in some heavenly state of
unspeakable bliss. No suffering. No rebirth. So, what is reborn until
that state is achieved? In my understanding it is "consciousness" but
it is clouded by our belief in "ego" or "self". We each have
Buddha-nature as our natural state that is clouded by Samsara. We just
have to awaken to make that realization. That is the reason we
meditate, practice, and study.
>**************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial
> Have a great day.
> May all be at peace.
> Impermanent are all compounded things.
> When one perceives this with true insight,
> then one becomes detached from suffering;
> this is the path of purification.
> (Dhammapada 20.277)
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sal_ B <salbecker@.sa>
> John a Blessed Morning to you,
> Sorely misworded I apologize for the wording and making up the word
> misworded. I was truly asking the question as to the claim that Buddha
> foretold the coming of Christ as it is something I heard sometime back
> and do not remember the source.
> If in Buddhism there is not to be any thought or concentration to the
> past or the future, the "NOW" being the focus, then to what purpose is
> the belief of reincarnation. Is not the purpose of the reincarnation
> to learn that which one needs to obtain perfection. How is one to do
> so without the history of the past and the promise of the future.
> If there is no creator, then to what end of it all. Is it not the
> promise of being in the eternal presence of Gods Love which the soul
> follows and draws wisdom and strength from. For if there is nothing
> else once one has achieved perfection, then the promise of
> reincarnation would only lead one to not learn his or her lesson, not
> achieve perfection to gaurantee immortality. (I do love this debate
> simply that it is an exercise in spirituality on its most provoked
> level. I will respect your wishes and bait you no further.)
> I ask these questions and share my understanding as they are this
> point in my learning, in the spirit of learning, I thank you for you
> responses and those of the others.
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