9959Re: Jesus was Buddhist!
- Oct 1, 2008John and Rob,
I truly do not wish to hijack this thread. But....;)
Having given thought to your words John, and aligning them to my
current readings, I would have to come to the conclusion that Jesus
was not a Buddhist. I would agree he more than likely studied the
teachings of Bhudda.
But to underlying message of Jesus, I would be more inclined to say
that he aligned himself more with the living in the pure love of God
from the Hindu Beliefs. As I read more of the Hindu teachings and
compare them to the teachings of Christ, I see more purely the Hindu
influence on Jesus.
I interchange Jesus and Christ here simply as a point of Jesus the man
who achieved enlightenment in the pure love of God and became the Christ.
I assures you, the Bhudda's, The Hindu Saints, The Christ and the
Christ like Saints of Christianity as well as the holy men all the
peoples of the world conspire to see man achieve enlightenment.
Namaste and Peace to All
--- In Buddhism_101@yahoogroups.com, John Pellecchia <pellejf@...> wrote:
> Good morning Sal,
> I'm sure there are many sites on the Internet that misrepresent the
concept of Buddhism especially that of Maitreya, Buddha, and Jesus. In
fact on one such site they purport that Mohammed is really the
> > "...then to what purpose is the belief of reincarnation. Is not
the purpose of the reincarnation to learn that which one needs to
obtain perfection. How is one to do so without the history of the past
and the promise of the future.
> "If there is no creator, then to what end of it all. Is it not the
promise of being in the eternal presence of Gods Love which the soul
follows and draws wisdom and strength from. For if there is nothing
else once one has achieved perfection, then the promise of
reincarnation would only lead one to not learn his or her lesson, not
achieve perfection to gaurantee immortality. (I do love this debate
simply that it is an exercise in spirituality on its most provoked
level. I will respect your wishes and bait you no further.)"
> Just remember that I am not a Lama or monk. I have no empowerments
so much of what I am writing please take with that understanding.
> As to a Supreme Being this is another contested belief among some
Buddhists. This is one of the ten unanswered questions of the Buddha
and I believe I wrote on this subject earlier. You may wish to read
the following from "Good Question, Good Answer" by the Venerable
Shravasti Dhammika at http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm .
> Your statement, however, (at least to my understanding) presupposes
that there is a permanent "soul" or atman. In Buddhism there is no
such concept of soul but rather of non-soul (anatman) since no "thing"
is permanent. The concept of "reincarnation" is a Hindu belief; that
there is an eternal self (atman) that migrates from body to body prior
to birth. Buddhists believe in "rebirth" although some use the two
terms (reincarnation and rebirth) interchangeably. Upon attaining
Nirvana one transcends the act of rebirth and ends the cycle of
rebirth. No immortality. No living in some heavenly state of
unspeakable bliss. No suffering. No rebirth. So, what is reborn until
that state is achieved? In my understanding it is "consciousness" but
it is clouded by our belief in "ego" or "self". We each have
Buddha-nature as our natural state that is clouded by Samsara. We just
have to awaken to make that realization. That is the reason we
meditate, practice, and study.
> Have a great day.
> May all be at peace.
> Impermanent are all compounded things.
> When one perceives this with true insight,
> then one becomes detached from suffering;
> this is the path of purification.
> (Dhammapada 20.277)
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sal_ B <salbecker@...>
> John a Blessed Morning to you,
> Sorely misworded I apologize for the wording and making up the word
> misworded. I was truly asking the question as to the claim that Buddha
> foretold the coming of Christ as it is something I heard sometime back
> and do not remember the source.
> If in Buddhism there is not to be any thought or concentration to the
> past or the future, the "NOW" being the focus, then to what purpose is
> the belief of reincarnation. Is not the purpose of the reincarnation
> to learn that which one needs to obtain perfection. How is one to do
> so without the history of the past and the promise of the future.
> If there is no creator, then to what end of it all. Is it not the
> promise of being in the eternal presence of Gods Love which the soul
> follows and draws wisdom and strength from. For if there is nothing
> else once one has achieved perfection, then the promise of
> reincarnation would only lead one to not learn his or her lesson, not
> achieve perfection to gaurantee immortality. (I do love this debate
> simply that it is an exercise in spirituality on its most provoked
> level. I will respect your wishes and bait you no further.)
> I ask these questions and share my understanding as they are this
> point in my learning, in the spirit of learning, I thank you for you
> responses and those of the others.
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