9958Re: [Buddhism_101] Re: Jesus was Buddhist!
- Oct 1, 2008The more I think about the nature of what I believe in, the more difficult it becomes to answer that very question.
I think I have come to the conclusion that I may be nihilist and I will have to come to terms with that. What is so troubling to me, is that the spiritual nature that I seem to crave, is ultimately pointless to me because I do believe that the death is the end.
I see great potential in living for the now and the service of others, but when I die, I believe the candle is out and the worms will play pea knuckle on my snout.
So Sal, that is a fine question and probably my weakest area of practice, as if I have much practice right now, nihilism takes an enormous amount of energy.
One thing that has always stuck out for me is the principle of neti-neti. Roughly translated, neither this nor that. Maybe the Buddha used this principle as a univesal loophole. Reincarnation is not for everyone. Reincarnation is for everyone.
Maybe this will spark an inerest for me. Maybe this will not spark an interest for me.
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Sal_ B <salbecker@...> wrote:
From: Sal_ B <salbecker@...>
Subject: [Buddhism_101] Re: Jesus was Buddhist!
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:54 AM
John a Blessed Morning to you,
Sorely misworded I apologize for the wording and making up the word
misworded. I was truly asking the question as to the claim that Buddha
foretold the coming of Christ as it is something I heard sometime back
and do not remember the source.
If in Buddhism there is not to be any thought or concentration to the
past or the future, the "NOW" being the focus, then to what purpose is
the belief of reincarnation. Is not the purpose of the reincarnation
to learn that which one needs to obtain perfection. How is one to do
so without the history of the past and the promise of the future.
If there is no creator, then to what end of it all. Is it not the
promise of being in the eternal presence of Gods Love which the soul
follows and draws wisdom and strength from. For if there is nothing
else once one has achieved perfection, then the promise of
reincarnation would only lead one to not learn his or her lesson, not
achieve perfection to gaurantee immortality. (I do love this debate
simply that it is an exercise in spirituality on its most provoked
level. I will respect your wishes and bait you no further.)
I ask these questions and share my understanding as they are this
point in my learning, in the spirit of learning, I thank you for you
responses and those of the others.
--- In Buddhism_101@ yahoogroups. com, John Pellecchia <pellejf@... > wrote:
> Good morning Sal,
> > "Did not Buddha foretell the coming of Christ and call him greater
> I'm not certain of the accuracy of this statement. I know of no
sutra that makes such a claim. Perhaps you can cite the source? The
Buddha Shakyamuni predicted the coming of the Maitreya (the future
Buddha) but if one considers that to be Jesus the timeline of the
sutras is off kilter with history. Anyway, how could one perfect
being, i.e. a Buddha, be greater than another?
> "According to some Buddhist traditions, the period of the Buddhist
Law is divided into three stages: a first period of 500 years, of the
turning the Wheel of the Law; a second period of 1,000 years, of the
deterioration of the Law, and a third period of 3,000 years (called
Mappo in Japan) during which no one practises the Law. After this,
Buddhism having disappeared, a new Buddha will appear who will again
turn the Wheel of the Law." (from
http://www.buddhane t.net/e-learning /history/ maitreya2. htm ). We are
currently closer to the Buddhist traditional timeline for Maitreya
than that of the historical Jesus who appeared only some 500 after Buddha.
> The sutra states:
> �At that period, brethren, there will arise in the world an
Exalted One named Maitreya, Fully Awakened, abounding in wisdom and
goodness, happy, with knowledge of the worlds, unsurpassed as a guide
to mortals willing to be led, a teacher for gods and men, an Exalted
One, a Buddha, even as I am now. He, by himself, will thoroughly know
and see, as it were face to face, this universe, with Its worlds of
the spirits, Its Brahmas and Its Maras, and Its world of recluses and
Brahmins, of princes and peoples, even as I now, by myself, thoroughly
know and see them� (Digha Nikaya, 26).
> Of course all of this is a moot point since we are taught to be
concerned with neither the past nor the future but only the present;
this Now. I leave this for others to consider.
> Since I do not subscribe to a Supreme Being (God) I will leave that
fetter untied (smile). I've discussed that issue far too often in the
> May all be at peace.
> They do not lament over the past,
> they yearn not for what is to come,
> they maintain themselves in the present,
> thus their complexion is serene.
> (Samyutta Nikaya 1, 10)
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sal_ B <salbecker@. ..>
> As I read more and more I see a similarity between the ancient Hindu
> Teachings and the Teachings of Christ. I also see the stark influence
> of the Hindu teachings in the child of Buddhism.
> As Buddha sought more from his Hindu beginnings, so was the evolution
> in the life and teachings of Christ. Did not Buddha foretell the
> coming of Christ and call him greater than he?
> To me, Buddha sought to explain on an intellectual plane the essence
> of man, whereas the teachings and philosophy of Hindu and Christ were
> on the spiritual recognition of God in all things with non having a
> higher authority than another as all were Gods children and thus were
> God himself.
> My Humble Opinion
> --- In Buddhism_101@ yahoogroups. com, John Pellecchia <pellejf@> wrote:
> > This is one of those topics that periodically appear on the Internet
> among Buddhists and perhaps some liberal-minded Christians. If we take
> the words and actions of Jesus in the New Testament as being accurate
> we may see some similarities in thought between the teachings of the
> Buddha and Jesus. Perhaps the concepts of love and equanimity are
> universal truths. But we also see significant differences between the
> two: resurrection vs rebirth, eternal life vs impermanence,
> proclamation of being a deity (Son of God) vs denial of any
> deification, etc to cite the more obvious.
> > Perhaps the similarities between the teachings of the two are
> nothing more than like minds having similar thoughts. Upon deeper
> scrutiny, however, I am more inclined to see similarities between New
> Testament teachings and aspects of the ancient Egyptian belief system
> (soul [ see http://www.philae. nu/akhet/ KaBa.html ], an eternal
> afterlife, as well as some of the teachings and prayers in the
> Egyptian so-called "Book of the Dead" and hymns [see
> http://www.historel .net/english/ egypt/18nouemp. htm ). We are told in
> the Christian New Testament that Jesus spent a portion of his early
> formative years in Egypt [the Flight into Egypt to escape Herod] where
> he would have been more exposed to that belief system than Buddhism.
> > Did Jesus receive Buddhist teachings during his "lost years"? My
> respectful answer is: "I doubt it but does it really matter? Who
> really cares?"
> > May all be at peace.
> > John
> > "The well-instructed disciple of the noble ones..... attends
> appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress...
> This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the
> cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three
> fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at
> precepts and practices." (Sabbasava Sutta��"All the Fermentations)
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Bhikkhu Samahita <bhikkhu0@> wrote in part
> > A Friend asked:
> > Question: How does Buddhists regard Jesus?
> > Answer:
> > Personally I think Jesus had learned a lot of late Buddhism
> > during the 19 years he was (lost) wandering around in Asia:
> > Jesus, then called Issa, was a pupil of the Buddha:
> > For quite solid & sound documentation see
> > http://reluctant- messenger. com/issa. htm
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