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  • PhilC
    If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box. When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut
    Message 1 of 16 , Mar 21, 2013
      If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box.

      When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut through the tape.
      After sanding the ends smooth, if you have some fiberglass resin, you can seal the ends with it. You can do it with super glue also. No need if you have batten end caps.

      BUT - Shipping for short battens isn't a big deal - it's when you have a full battened sail and the battens are more than 8' long (I have a couple with 9' battens!) - the shipping then gets expensive real fast!



      --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
      >
      > THAT SailRite stuff looks Amazing!  Also they will send long pieces coiled but warn you against injury because when released they open like a steel spring with great force.  This does mena no oversize shipping charges tho!
      >
      > http://www.sailrite.com/Batten-Pultruded-Material-1-5-8
      >
      >
      > Back up a page to select other sizes.
      >
      > With this stuff I only need to trace my pocket and make each one to fit.. sand and smooth the edges.
      >
      > Thanks Again!
      >
      > Andrew
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
      > To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:07 PM
      > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
      >
      >
      >  
      > Interesting.
      > Did you buy the boat new?
      > The reason I ask, is I have never seen bamboo (or wood of any type)battens. (Well, at least, not since the 1950s..) The sails provided with even the oldest Buccs would have been fiberglass.
      >
      > But I have used bamboo rods for a -temporary- batten, works quite well if you can find one the right size/stiffness.
      >
      > Sailrite has batten material by the foot in all the popular sizes.
      >
      > --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@> wrote:
      > >
      > > All four were originally bamboo material (wooden)...I still have all originals, and in perfect shape.
      > >  
      > > Going to the boat this weekend and will measure and take pictures if you'd like.
      > >  
      > > Jack
      > > 'Viajera' (The Time Capsule)
      > >
      > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
      > > From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@>
      > > To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@...@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38 AM
      > > Subject: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
      > >
      > >  
      > >
      > > Hello Folks,
      > >
      > > Question for 240 owners!
      > >
      > >
      > > In going over my sails I see most of my Mainsail battens are missing!  All but 1 actually, and I see no size on it.  The mauinsail takes 4 battens.. anyone know what sizes they are and the numbers of them?
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > >
      > > Andrew
      > >
      >
    • PhilC
      Pretty cool! That is something which today could be good for mfrs to re-discover. Bamboo being green and all..
      Message 2 of 16 , Mar 21, 2013
        Pretty cool!
        That is something which today could be good for mfrs to re-discover. Bamboo being "green" and all..

        --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        >.. battens were each bamboo, nicely varnished and tapered ....
      • Andres Espino
        The thing is i do not know whether each of my pockets takes a different width and length of batten....  Having dimensions will save a lot of trial and error
        Message 3 of 16 , Mar 21, 2013
          The thing is i do not know whether each of my pockets takes a different width and length of batten....  Having dimensions will save a lot of trial and error fitting.

          Andrew



          From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
          To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:45 PM
          Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240

           
          If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box.

          When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut through the tape.
          After sanding the ends smooth, if you have some fiberglass resin, you can seal the ends with it. You can do it with super glue also. No need if you have batten end caps.

          BUT - Shipping for short battens isn't a big deal - it's when you have a full battened sail and the battens are more than 8' long (I have a couple with 9' battens!) - the shipping then gets expensive real fast!

          --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
          >
          > THAT SailRite stuff looks Amazing!  Also they will send long pieces coiled but warn you against injury because when released they open like a steel spring with great force.  This does mena no oversize shipping charges tho!
          >
          > http://www.sailrite.com/Batten-Pultruded-Material-1-5-8
          >
          >
          > Back up a page to select other sizes.
          >
          > With this stuff I only need to trace my pocket and make each one to fit.. sand and smooth the edges.
          >
          > Thanks Again!
          >
          > Andrew
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
          > To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:07 PM
          > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
          >
          >
          >  
          > Interesting.
          > Did you buy the boat new?
          > The reason I ask, is I have never seen bamboo (or wood of any type)battens. (Well, at least, not since the 1950s..) The sails provided with even the oldest Buccs would have been fiberglass.
          >
          > But I have used bamboo rods for a -temporary- batten, works quite well if you can find one the right size/stiffness.
          >
          > Sailrite has batten material by the foot in all the popular sizes.
          >
          > --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@> wrote:
          > >
          > > All four were originally bamboo material (wooden)...I still have all originals, and in perfect shape.
          > >  
          > > Going to the boat this weekend and will measure and take pictures if you'd like.
          > >  
          > > Jack
          > > 'Viajera' (The Time Capsule)
          > >
          > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
          > > From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@>
          > > To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@...@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38 AM
          > > Subject: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
          > >
          > >  
          > >
          > > Hello Folks,
          > >
          > > Question for 240 owners!
          > >
          > >
          > > In going over my sails I see most of my Mainsail battens are missing!  All but 1 actually, and I see no size on it.  The mauinsail takes 4 battens.. anyone know what sizes they are and the numbers of them?
          > >
          > > Thanks,
          > >
          > > Andrew
          > >
          >



        • Jbc
          width is the same throughout....lengths of course vary. I have them separated in the cabin so its easy to measure. JC ________________________________ From:
          Message 4 of 16 , Mar 21, 2013
            width is the same throughout....lengths of course vary.
            I have them separated in the cabin so its easy to measure.
            JC

            From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
            To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com" <BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:58 PM
            Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
             
            The thing is i do not know whether each of my pockets takes a different width and length of batten....  Having dimensions will save a lot of trial and error fitting. Andrew


            From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
            To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:45 PM
            Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
             
            If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box. When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut through the tape. After sanding the ends smooth, if you have some fiberglass resin, you can seal the ends with it. You can do it with super glue also. No need if you have batten end caps. BUT - Shipping for short battens isn't a big deal - it's when you have a full battened sail and the battens are more than 8' long (I have a couple with 9' battens!) - the shipping then gets expensive real fast!
            --- In mailto:BaylinerBuccaneerGroup%40yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote: > > THAT SailRite stuff looks Amazing!  Also they will send long pieces coiled but warn you against injury because when released they open like a steel spring with great force.  This does mena no oversize shipping charges tho! > > http://www.sailrite.com/Batten-Pultruded-Material-1-5-8 > > > Back up a page to select other sizes. > > With this stuff I only need to trace my pocket and make each one to fit.. sand and smooth the edges. > > Thanks Again! > > Andrew > > > ________________________________ > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...> > To: mailto:BaylinerBuccaneerGroup%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240 > > >   > Interesting. > Did you buy the boat new? > The reason I ask, is I have never seen bamboo (or wood of any type)battens. (Well, at least, not since the 1950s..) The sails provided with even the oldest Buccs would have been fiberglass. > > But I have used bamboo rods for a -temporary- batten, works quite well if you can find one the right size/stiffness. > > Sailrite has batten material by the foot in all the popular sizes. > > --- In mailto:BaylinerBuccaneerGroup%40yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@> wrote: > > > > All four were originally bamboo material (wooden)...I still have all originals, and in perfect shape. > >   > > Going to the boat this weekend and will measure and take pictures if you'd like. > >   > > Jack > > 'Viajera' (The Time Capsule) > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@> > > To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@...@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38 AM > > Subject: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240 > > > >   > > > > Hello Folks, > > > > Question for 240 owners! > > > > > > In going over my sails I see most of my Mainsail battens are missing!  All but 1 actually, and I see no size on it.  The mauinsail takes 4 battens.. anyone know what sizes they are and the numbers of them? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew > > >
          • Andres Espino
            hanks that would be great and much appreciated! Thanks again! Andrew ________________________________ From: Jbc To:
            Message 5 of 16 , Mar 21, 2013
              hanks that would be great and much appreciated!

              Thanks again!

              Andrew


              From: Jbc <c670cj@...>
              To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com" <BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:12 PM
              Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240

               
              width is the same throughout....lengths of course vary.
              I have them separated in the cabin so its easy to measure.
              JC

              From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...>
              To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com" <BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:58 PM
              Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
               
              The thing is i do not know whether each of my pockets takes a different width and length of batten....  Having dimensions will save a lot of trial and error fitting. Andrew


              From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
              To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:45 PM
              Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
               
              If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box. When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut through the tape. After sanding the ends smooth, if you have some fiberglass resin, you can seal the ends with it. You can do it with super glue also. No need if you have batten end caps. BUT - Shipping for short battens isn't a big deal - it's when you have a full battened sail and the battens are more than 8' long (I have a couple with 9' battens!) - the shipping then gets expensive real fast!
              --- In mailto:BaylinerBuccaneerGroup%40yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote: > > THAT SailRite stuff looks Amazing!  Also they will send long pieces coiled but warn you against injury because when released they open like a steel spring with great force.  This does mena no oversize shipping charges tho! > > http://www.sailrite.com/Batten-Pultruded-Material-1-5-8 > > > Back up a page to select other sizes. > > With this stuff I only need to trace my pocket and make each one to fit.. sand and smooth the edges. > > Thanks Again! > > Andrew > > > ________________________________ > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...> > To: mailto:BaylinerBuccaneerGroup%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240 > > >   > Interesting. > Did you buy the boat new? > The reason I ask, is I have never seen bamboo (or wood of any type)battens. (Well, at least, not since the 1950s..) The sails provided with even the oldest Buccs would have been fiberglass. > > But I have used bamboo rods for a -temporary- batten, works quite well if you can find one the right size/stiffness. > > Sailrite has batten material by the foot in all the popular sizes. > > --- In mailto:BaylinerBuccaneerGroup%40yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@> wrote: > > > > All four were originally bamboo material (wooden)...I still have all originals, and in perfect shape. > >   > > Going to the boat this weekend and will measure and take pictures if you'd like. > >   > > Jack > > 'Viajera' (The Time Capsule) > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@> > > To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@...@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38 AM > > Subject: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240 > > > >   > > > > Hello Folks, > > > > Question for 240 owners! > > > > > > In going over my sails I see most of my Mainsail battens are missing!  All but 1 actually, and I see no size on it.  The mauinsail takes 4 battens.. anyone know what sizes they are and the numbers of them? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew > > >


            • PhilC
              They should not. It is quite rare for different size battens to be used on the same sail, mostly seen on square top mains where the angled top batten is
              Message 6 of 16 , Mar 25, 2013
                They should not. It is quite rare for different size battens to be used on the same sail, mostly seen on square top mains where the angled top batten is different from the others.
                Width I mean, not length. It is (duh) VERy common to need different lengths for each batten...

                --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
                >
                > The thing is i do not know whether each of my pockets takes a different width and length of batten....  Having dimensions will save a lot of trial and error fitting.
                >
                > Andrew
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
                > To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:45 PM
                > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
                >
                >
                >  
                > If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box.
                >
                > When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut through the tape.
                > After sanding the ends smooth, if you have some fiberglass resin, you can seal the ends with it. You can do it with super glue also. No need if you have batten end caps.
                >
                > BUT - Shipping for short battens isn't a big deal - it's when you have a full battened sail and the battens are more than 8' long (I have a couple with 9' battens!) - the shipping then gets expensive real fast!
                >
                > --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@> wrote:
                > >
                > > THAT SailRite stuff looks Amazing!  Also they will send long pieces coiled but warn you against injury because when released they open like a steel spring with great force.  This does mena no oversize shipping charges tho!
                > >
                > > http://www.sailrite.com/Batten-Pultruded-Material-1-5-8
                > >
                > >
                > > Back up a page to select other sizes.
                > >
                > > With this stuff I only need to trace my pocket and make each one to fit.. sand and smooth the edges.
                > >
                > > Thanks Again!
                > >
                > > Andrew
                > >
                > >
                > > ________________________________
                > > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@>
                > > To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:07 PM
                > > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
                > >
                > >
                > >  
                > > Interesting.
                > > Did you buy the boat new?
                > > The reason I ask, is I have never seen bamboo (or wood of any type)battens. (Well, at least, not since the 1950s..) The sails provided with even the oldest Buccs would have been fiberglass.
                > >
                > > But I have used bamboo rods for a -temporary- batten, works quite well if you can find one the right size/stiffness.
                > >
                > > Sailrite has batten material by the foot in all the popular sizes.
                > >
                > > --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > All four were originally bamboo material (wooden)...I still have all originals, and in perfect shape.
                > > >  
                > > > Going to the boat this weekend and will measure and take pictures if you'd like.
                > > >  
                > > > Jack
                > > > 'Viajera' (The Time Capsule)
                > > >
                > > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
                > > > From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@>
                > > > To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@@yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38 AM
                > > > Subject: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
                > > >
                > > >  
                > > >
                > > > Hello Folks,
                > > >
                > > > Question for 240 owners!
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > In going over my sails I see most of my Mainsail battens are missing!  All but 1 actually, and I see no size on it.  The mauinsail takes 4 battens.. anyone know what sizes they are and the numbers of them?
                > > >
                > > > Thanks,
                > > >
                > > > Andrew
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • Andres Espino
                Yes I am going by the drawing of the 240 which shows 4 pockets.  My main is still in the sail bag where it has resided inside the prev owners house. Sailrite
                Message 7 of 16 , Mar 25, 2013
                  Yes I am going by the drawing of the 240 which shows 4 pockets.  My main is still in the sail bag where it has resided inside the prev owners house.

                  Sailrite shows the batten thickness to be all 1/8in and so the width and length and taper if there is one are the questions.

                  My last homebuilt sharpy of Glen-L design was a gaffer and the main had no battens at all.  Eventually I added lazy jacks and full length battens like a junk but without all those lines on the ends.  It did not affect the performance because I could not tack closer than 50 degrees to windward to begin with.

                  This 240 is the first Marconi rig I have ever had and so the first sail with battens in pockets.

                  I am about to raise the mast AGAIN.. it fell on me raising alone in December and did over $300 in damage.  I will not listen to those who said walk it up its light etc  LOL  THIS TIME I am building a standing A-Frame.  The main mast does only weigh about 70lbs but when attached to the mast step and lifting that 25 foot long pole from the lower end that upper end is incredibly heavy.

                  BUT then on a calm day I will load the main and see how it fits and so on.  Then i will measure the pockets.  I am in the AZ desert with rocks and dirt and cactus and other thorny stuff and I do not have a safe place to stretch my sail out on the ground.

                  Andrew



                  From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
                  To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:11 PM
                  Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240

                   
                  They should not. It is quite rare for different size battens to be used on the same sail, mostly seen on square top mains where the angled top batten is different from the others.
                  Width I mean, not length. It is (duh) VERy common to need different lengths for each batten...

                  --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > The thing is i do not know whether each of my pockets takes a different width and length of batten....  Having dimensions will save a lot of trial and error fitting.
                  >
                  > Andrew
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@...>
                  > To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:45 PM
                  > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
                  >
                  >
                  >  
                  > If you add up all the measurements, you can order one long piece. They coil it up and put it in a box.
                  >
                  > When you cut them, tape them at the cut, then cut through the tape.
                  > After sanding the ends smooth, if you have some fiberglass resin, you can seal the ends with it. You can do it with super glue also. No need if you have batten end caps.
                  >
                  > BUT - Shipping for short battens isn't a big deal - it's when you have a full battened sail and the battens are more than 8' long (I have a couple with 9' battens!) - the shipping then gets expensive real fast!
                  >
                  > --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > THAT SailRite stuff looks Amazing!  Also they will send long pieces coiled but warn you against injury because when released they open like a steel spring with great force.  This does mena no oversize shipping charges tho!
                  > >
                  > > http://www.sailrite.com/Batten-Pultruded-Material-1-5-8
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Back up a page to select other sizes.
                  > >
                  > > With this stuff I only need to trace my pocket and make each one to fit.. sand and smooth the edges.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks Again!
                  > >
                  > > Andrew
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ________________________________
                  > > From: PhilC <PandD_Collins@>
                  > > To: BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:07 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: Fw: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >  
                  > > Interesting.
                  > > Did you buy the boat new?
                  > > The reason I ask, is I have never seen bamboo (or wood of any type)battens. (Well, at least, not since the 1950s..) The sails provided with even the oldest Buccs would have been fiberglass.
                  > >
                  > > But I have used bamboo rods for a -temporary- batten, works quite well if you can find one the right size/stiffness.
                  > >
                  > > Sailrite has batten material by the foot in all the popular sizes.
                  > >
                  > > --- In BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@yahoogroups.com, Jbc <c670cj@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > All four were originally bamboo material (wooden)...I still have all originals, and in perfect shape.
                  > > >  
                  > > > Going to the boat this weekend and will measure and take pictures if you'd like.
                  > > >  
                  > > > Jack
                  > > > 'Viajera' (The Time Capsule)
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Forwarded Message -----
                  > > > From: Andres Espino <ima_very_cool_cowboy@>
                  > > > To: "BaylinerBuccaneerGroup@@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38 AM
                  > > > Subject: [BaylinerBuccaneerGroup] Batten Question for 240
                  > > >
                  > > >  
                  > > >
                  > > > Hello Folks,
                  > > >
                  > > > Question for 240 owners!
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > In going over my sails I see most of my Mainsail battens are missing!  All but 1 actually, and I see no size on it.  The mauinsail takes 4 battens.. anyone know what sizes they are and the numbers of them?
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks,
                  > > >
                  > > > Andrew
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >



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