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  • Michael
    Hi Ray, You certainly know the drill - EDIT must change edit - my recommended change, if you agree comment - is just that comment - I appreciated this report
    Message 1 of 5 , Nov 10, 2012
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      Hi Ray,
      You certainly know the drill -
      EDIT must change
      edit - my recommended change, if you agree
      comment - is just that

      comment - I appreciated this report as I didn't even know about the quilts or the difference from a sleeping bag.
      You can upload to the following folder - here's the link...
      http://tinyurl.com/avg9pzx

      "At the top of the quilt there is a strong snap closure to pull the quilt shut, plus a pretty heavy drawstring that has a tethered cordlock to allow the opening to be snugged tight."

      edit – I wonder if "pull" is the right word here. I think of a snap closure and to me, it secures, fastens, holds, etc.

      "There are also of two removable grosgrain straps with tiny quick-release buckles as may be seen above."

      EDIT – remove the word "of".

      "The UltraLite used full-baffle construction (rather than quilted) to prevent cold spots. The baffles run horizontally every 5.75 in (15 cm)."

      Comment – The UltraLite used? I would probably say that either GoLite used, or that the UltraLite has full-baffle construction….

      Comment from the FIELD DATA section – In one paragraph, California is spelled out, while MN is used to abbreviate Minnesota. I would probably stay consistent for both.

      "Our trip in July on the Superior Hiking Trail I saw would have to be the last for their 60 in (152 cm) pads so I am guessing that next summer they will be out of the quilts too."

      edit – This sentence just reads a little odd to me… "I saw would" is where I struggle a little. "I saw that it would" seems to read better to me.

      "At this point I expect that I will be replacing them with a larger model of the same very same thing."

      EDIT – remove the extra "same".

      That's it - I think it's cool that your kids still think spending time with dad is a good thing... Unfortunately, teenagers seem to prefer not to so much anymore...
      See you again soon
      Mike

      --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <rayestrella@...> wrote:
      >
      > Last one for today, ;-)
      >
      > The HTML may be found here:
      >
      > http://tinyurl.com/asx6ka3
      >
      > When looking for the Short size it is found in the regular size page in the Sizing tab.
      >
      > Ray
      >
      > GoLite UltraLite 800 Fill 3-Season Quilts
      > By Raymond Estrella
      > OWNER REVIEW
      >
      > November 06, 2012
      >
      > TESTER INFORMATION
      >
      > NAME: Raymond Estrella
      > EMAIL: rayestrellaAThotmailDOTcom
      > AGE: 52
      > LOCATION: North Western Minnesota, USA
      > GENDER: M
      > HEIGHT: 6' 3" (1.91 m)
      > WEIGHT: 225 lb (102.00 kg)
      > I've been backpacking for over 30 years, all over California, Minnesota, and many western states. I hike year-round in all weather, and average 500+ miles (800+ km) per year. I make a point of using lightweight gear, and smaller volume packs. Doubting I can ever be truly ultralight, I try to be as light as I can yet still be comfortable. I start early and hike hard so as to enjoy the afternoons exploring/chilling. I usually take a freestanding tent and enjoy hot evening meals. If not hiking solo I am usually with my brother-in-law Dave or my twin children.
      >
      > The Product
      >
      > Manufacturer: GoLite
      > Web site: www.golite.com
      > Product: UltraLite 800 Fill 3-Season Quilts (two)
      > Size: Short
      > Year manufactured: 2010
      > MSRP: US$ 400.00 (but actually offered by them at $200.00)
      > Temperature rating: 20 F (-7 C)
      > Weight listed: 1 lb 5 oz (595 g)
      > Actual weight: 1 lb 6.7 oz (644 g)
      > Color: Baltic/Grease
      > Fill weight listed: 10.65 oz (302 g) of 800-fill goose down
      > Loft listed: 5 in (13 cm)
      > Actual loft observed: 5 in (13 cm)
      > Picture at right courtesy GoLite
      >
      > Quick & Dirty, Nitty Gritty
      >
      > The GoLite UltraLite 800 Fill 3-Season Quilt is the second generation of GoLite's top-of-the-line down-filled backpacking quilts. Fixing all the problems I had with the first generation, while retaining everything that made it nice I find this one makes an excellent introduction to the use of quilts for backcountry sleeping. Please read on for the details.
      >
      > Product Description
      >
      > The GoLite UltraLite 3-Season Quilt (hereafter referred to as the UltraLite or quilt) is a well thought out backpacking quilt. It is a redesign of the Ultra 20, their first 800 fill down quilt.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The outer shell of the quilt is made of dark blue 20-denier nylon ripstop that has a DWR application (durable water repellent). The top 7 in (18 cm) and the 11 in (28 cm) high foot box are made of dark grey Pertex Shield, a waterproof breathable fabric. GoLite calls these Arid Zones as they are the locations most apt to be affected by moisture from condensation.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The inside lining is a very soft, shiny grey 30-denier polyester ripstop. At the top of the quilt there is a strong snap closure to pull the quilt shut, plus a pretty heavy drawstring that has a tethered cordlock to allow the opening to be snugged tight. There are also of two removable grosgrain straps with tiny quick-release buckles as may be seen above. These straps may be wrapped around a sleeping pad, or they can be strapped around the user.
      >
      > The UltraLite used full-baffle construction (rather than quilted) to prevent cold spots. The baffles run horizontally every 5.75 in (15 cm).
      >
      > There is a definite curve to the shape of the UltraLite. For this Short size it flares out to a maximum wide point of 46 in (117 cm) at approximately 13 in (33 cm) from the top. It is 35 in (89 cm) wide at the very top of the quilt. The inside length (measured from inside the footbox to edge) is 62 in (157 cm). It is said by GoLite to fit users to 66 in (168 cm).
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The UltraLite comes with a stuff sack that does not put too much pressure on the quilt. If desired the quilt could compress another 10%. It also comes with a cotton storage sack that allows it to breathe while protecting it from dust and such.
      > Field Data
      >
      > My children have used the Golite quilts on backpacking and camping trips in California and Minnesota.
      >
      > In California we spent two nights at Horseshoe Meadows high in the Sierra Nevada's east side. The elevation was 10,000 ft (3000 m) and the low temps at night were 40 F (4 C). Another high-country trip saw us at Round Valley in San Jacinto State Park at 9000 ft (2740 m) with lows the same.
      >
      > In MN we used them on the Superior Hiking Trail on the Beaver River. This trip saw some blustery weather but the coldest it got was around 45 F (7 C). We also used them backpacking one night in Itasca State Park at Cows Lake and one night camping at Lida Lake in Maplewood State Park.
      >
      > All use was on Big Agnes Insulated Air Core pads, size Petite. Here is a picture of them at Horseshoe Meadows. You can tell which one is my daughters as there is a little stuffed dog on her pillow. Blackie has been to a lot of backcountry places.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Observations
      >
      > As may be noticed in my many reviews of backpacking quilts I have really fallen in love with the comfort of quilts and the small volume they take in my pack. Every time I got a new quilt my twin children Emma and Raymond had to try them out by "camping" in the front room with them. (And yes, that means the sleeping pad must be used.) I always had to limit each quilt to one camping trip each just to keep them from being worn out before I ever got them outdoors. As they seemed to like them so much I decided to collaborate with Santa and the next Christmas saw new quilts and pads under the tree.
      >
      > I always ask them what they want to take before packing for any trip and since getting the GoLite quilts they have not used their down sleeping bags once. (Well for 3-season I should say. My son is getting in to snow camping so he still uses a bag at times.) They really like their quilts. My daughter even took hers on a couple sleepovers to show off her weird sleeping bag. (The other girls' description, not Em's.)
      >
      > I need to share the fact that I had the first GoLite 800 fill quilt, the Ultra 20. While I am eternally grateful for that quilt opening my eyes to quilt use I do have to say that I was quite disappointed by its loft. I had heard that GoLite redid the quilts and they said that they addressed "fill and quality issues". I decided to give them a try again as I really can't afford to spend the kind of money I have on my custom quilts for something that the kids will be grown out of in a few years.
      >
      > Well I am happy to say that the UltraLites were much better than my old Ultra 20. I carefully checked both quilts as soon as I got them. (I bought them direct from GoLite, which is the only way to get them now.) Both quilts lofted up to a full 5 in (13 cm) between the baffles, a 25% increase on my old version. The weights were within 0.5 oz (14 g) of each other. The construction is very nice; there are no crooked baffles or seams.
      >
      > My kids love the comfort of the UltraLites the most but they also really noticed the size and weight difference in their packs. They cut the weight of their bags in half! And I have no doubt that the quilts are less than half the packed size of their 600 fill bags. We don't even use the stuff sacks, instead they do like Dad does and just shove the quilt in the bottom of their pack and then put their pad and spare clothes on top of that.
      >
      > They did not want the straps on the quilts (like Dad, hmmm) so they were taken off right away.
      >
      > GoLite puts a "suggested price" of $400.00 on their site which is just a ridiculous amount. But they don't really charge that, instead they have it listed for $200.00. They have recently gone to a direct sale model and I think the MSRP is what it "could be" if marked up at a retail store. At $200.00 I think it is a good price, especially for new users like my kids as they will grow out of them, plus there was always the possibility that they would not like them once they tried them in the field.
      >
      > The materials used are a good balance of weight and durability that keeps costs down, but also keeps the quilts from being too heavy.
      >
      > I would like to say that this is proven out by the durability of the kids' quilts but honestly they don't have the kind of bag nights to put this to the test. Besides the kids having limited opportunity to hike with me Minnesota also has a very short kid-friendly hiking season. But as I sit here writing this the UltraLite quilts look like new. (The kids are like me, we get in the water at the end of each hiking day so our sleeping gear stays pretty clean.) The loft is still as high as when they got them.
      >
      > The children are shooting up suddenly. Our trip in July on the Superior Hiking Trail I saw would have to be the last for their 60 in (152 cm) pads so I am guessing that next summer they will be out of the quilts too. At this point I expect that I will be replacing them with a larger model of the same very same thing. I leave with a shot of them in our Hogback tent on the banks of the Beaver River.
      >
    • Mike Mosack
      We’ll try this again with the right header Hi Ray, You certainly know the drill - EDIT must change edit - my recommended change, if you agree comment - is
      Message 2 of 5 , Nov 10, 2012
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        We’ll try this again with the right header

        Hi Ray,
        You certainly know the drill -
        EDIT must change
        edit - my recommended change, if you agree
        comment - is just that

        comment - I appreciated this report as I didn't even know about the quilts or the difference from a sleeping bag.
        You can upload to the following folder - here's the link...
        http://tinyurl.com/avg9pzx

        "At the top of the quilt there is a strong snap closure to pull the quilt shut, plus a pretty heavy drawstring that has a tethered cordlock to allow the opening to be snugged tight."

        edit – I wonder if "pull" is the right word here. I think of a snap closure and to me, it secures, fastens, holds, etc.

        "There are also of two removable grosgrain straps with tiny quick-release buckles as may be seen above."

        EDIT – remove the word "of".

        "The UltraLite used full-baffle construction (rather than quilted) to prevent cold spots. The baffles run horizontally every 5.75 in (15 cm)."

        Comment – The UltraLite used? I would probably say that either GoLite used, or that the UltraLite has full-baffle construction….

        Comment from the FIELD DATA section – In one paragraph, California is spelled out, while MN is used to abbreviate Minnesota. I would probably stay consistent for both.

        "Our trip in July on the Superior Hiking Trail I saw would have to be the last for their 60 in (152 cm) pads so I am guessing that next summer they will be out of the quilts too."

        edit – This sentence just reads a little odd to me… "I saw would" is where I struggle a little. "I saw that it would" seems to read better to me.

        "At this point I expect that I will be replacing them with a larger model of the same very same thing."

        EDIT – remove the extra "same".

        That's it - I think it's cool that your kids still think spending time with dad is a good thing... Unfortunately, teenagers seem to prefer not to so much anymore...
        See you again soon
        Mike

        --- In mailto:BackpackGearTest%40yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <rayestrella@...> wrote:
        >
        > Last one for today, ;-)
        >
        > The HTML may be found here:
        >
        > http://tinyurl.com/asx6ka3
        >
        > When looking for the Short size it is found in the regular size page in the Sizing tab.
        >
        > Ray
        >
        > GoLite UltraLite 800 Fill 3-Season Quilts
        > By Raymond Estrella
        > OWNER REVIEW
        >
        > November 06, 2012
        >
        > TESTER INFORMATION
        >
        > NAME: Raymond Estrella
        > EMAIL: rayestrellaAThotmailDOTcom
        > AGE: 52
        > LOCATION: North Western Minnesota, USA
        > GENDER: M
        > HEIGHT: 6' 3" (1.91 m)
        > WEIGHT: 225 lb (102.00 kg)
        > I've been backpacking for over 30 years, all over California, Minnesota, and many western states. I hike year-round in all weather, and average 500+ miles (800+ km) per year. I make a point of using lightweight gear, and smaller volume packs. Doubting I can ever be truly ultralight, I try to be as light as I can yet still be comfortable. I start early and hike hard so as to enjoy the afternoons exploring/chilling. I usually take a freestanding tent and enjoy hot evening meals. If not hiking solo I am usually with my brother-in-law Dave or my twin children.
        >
        > The Product
        >
        > Manufacturer: GoLite
        > Web site: www.golite.com
        > Product: UltraLite 800 Fill 3-Season Quilts (two)
        > Size: Short
        > Year manufactured: 2010
        > MSRP: US$ 400.00 (but actually offered by them at $200.00)
        > Temperature rating: 20 F (-7 C)
        > Weight listed: 1 lb 5 oz (595 g)
        > Actual weight: 1 lb 6.7 oz (644 g)
        > Color: Baltic/Grease
        > Fill weight listed: 10.65 oz (302 g) of 800-fill goose down
        > Loft listed: 5 in (13 cm)
        > Actual loft observed: 5 in (13 cm)
        > Picture at right courtesy GoLite
        >
        > Quick & Dirty, Nitty Gritty
        >
        > The GoLite UltraLite 800 Fill 3-Season Quilt is the second generation of GoLite's top-of-the-line down-filled backpacking quilts. Fixing all the problems I had with the first generation, while retaining everything that made it nice I find this one makes an excellent introduction to the use of quilts for backcountry sleeping. Please read on for the details.
        >
        > Product Description
        >
        > The GoLite UltraLite 3-Season Quilt (hereafter referred to as the UltraLite or quilt) is a well thought out backpacking quilt. It is a redesign of the Ultra 20, their first 800 fill down quilt.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > The outer shell of the quilt is made of dark blue 20-denier nylon ripstop that has a DWR application (durable water repellent). The top 7 in (18 cm) and the 11 in (28 cm) high foot box are made of dark grey Pertex Shield, a waterproof breathable fabric. GoLite calls these Arid Zones as they are the locations most apt to be affected by moisture from condensation.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > The inside lining is a very soft, shiny grey 30-denier polyester ripstop. At the top of the quilt there is a strong snap closure to pull the quilt shut, plus a pretty heavy drawstring that has a tethered cordlock to allow the opening to be snugged tight. There are also of two removable grosgrain straps with tiny quick-release buckles as may be seen above. These straps may be wrapped around a sleeping pad, or they can be strapped around the user.
        >
        > The UltraLite used full-baffle construction (rather than quilted) to prevent cold spots. The baffles run horizontally every 5.75 in (15 cm).
        >
        > There is a definite curve to the shape of the UltraLite. For this Short size it flares out to a maximum wide point of 46 in (117 cm) at approximately 13 in (33 cm) from the top. It is 35 in (89 cm) wide at the very top of the quilt. The inside length (measured from inside the footbox to edge) is 62 in (157 cm). It is said by GoLite to fit users to 66 in (168 cm).
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > The UltraLite comes with a stuff sack that does not put too much pressure on the quilt. If desired the quilt could compress another 10%. It also comes with a cotton storage sack that allows it to breathe while protecting it from dust and such.
        > Field Data
        >
        > My children have used the Golite quilts on backpacking and camping trips in California and Minnesota.
        >
        > In California we spent two nights at Horseshoe Meadows high in the Sierra Nevada's east side. The elevation was 10,000 ft (3000 m) and the low temps at night were 40 F (4 C). Another high-country trip saw us at Round Valley in San Jacinto State Park at 9000 ft (2740 m) with lows the same.
        >
        > In MN we used them on the Superior Hiking Trail on the Beaver River. This trip saw some blustery weather but the coldest it got was around 45 F (7 C). We also used them backpacking one night in Itasca State Park at Cows Lake and one night camping at Lida Lake in Maplewood State Park.
        >
        > All use was on Big Agnes Insulated Air Core pads, size Petite. Here is a picture of them at Horseshoe Meadows. You can tell which one is my daughters as there is a little stuffed dog on her pillow. Blackie has been to a lot of backcountry places.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Observations
        >
        > As may be noticed in my many reviews of backpacking quilts I have really fallen in love with the comfort of quilts and the small volume they take in my pack. Every time I got a new quilt my twin children Emma and Raymond had to try them out by "camping" in the front room with them. (And yes, that means the sleeping pad must be used.) I always had to limit each quilt to one camping trip each just to keep them from being worn out before I ever got them outdoors. As they seemed to like them so much I decided to collaborate with Santa and the next Christmas saw new quilts and pads under the tree.
        >
        > I always ask them what they want to take before packing for any trip and since getting the GoLite quilts they have not used their down sleeping bags once. (Well for 3-season I should say. My son is getting in to snow camping so he still uses a bag at times.) They really like their quilts. My daughter even took hers on a couple sleepovers to show off her weird sleeping bag. (The other girls' description, not Em's.)
        >
        > I need to share the fact that I had the first GoLite 800 fill quilt, the Ultra 20. While I am eternally grateful for that quilt opening my eyes to quilt use I do have to say that I was quite disappointed by its loft. I had heard that GoLite redid the quilts and they said that they addressed "fill and quality issues". I decided to give them a try again as I really can't afford to spend the kind of money I have on my custom quilts for something that the kids will be grown out of in a few years.
        >
        > Well I am happy to say that the UltraLites were much better than my old Ultra 20. I carefully checked both quilts as soon as I got them. (I bought them direct from GoLite, which is the only way to get them now.) Both quilts lofted up to a full 5 in (13 cm) between the baffles, a 25% increase on my old version. The weights were within 0.5 oz (14 g) of each other. The construction is very nice; there are no crooked baffles or seams.
        >
        > My kids love the comfort of the UltraLites the most but they also really noticed the size and weight difference in their packs. They cut the weight of their bags in half! And I have no doubt that the quilts are less than half the packed size of their 600 fill bags. We don't even use the stuff sacks, instead they do like Dad does and just shove the quilt in the bottom of their pack and then put their pad and spare clothes on top of that.
        >
        > They did not want the straps on the quilts (like Dad, hmmm) so they were taken off right away.
        >
        > GoLite puts a "suggested price" of $400.00 on their site which is just a ridiculous amount. But they don't really charge that, instead they have it listed for $200.00. They have recently gone to a direct sale model and I think the MSRP is what it "could be" if marked up at a retail store. At $200.00 I think it is a good price, especially for new users like my kids as they will grow out of them, plus there was always the possibility that they would not like them once they tried them in the field.
        >
        > The materials used are a good balance of weight and durability that keeps costs down, but also keeps the quilts from being too heavy.
        >
        > I would like to say that this is proven out by the durability of the kids' quilts but honestly they don't have the kind of bag nights to put this to the test. Besides the kids having limited opportunity to hike with me Minnesota also has a very short kid-friendly hiking season. But as I sit here writing this the UltraLite quilts look like new. (The kids are like me, we get in the water at the end of each hiking day so our sleeping gear stays pretty clean.) The loft is still as high as when they got them.
        >
        > The children are shooting up suddenly. Our trip in July on the Superior Hiking Trail I saw would have to be the last for their 60 in (152 cm) pads so I am guessing that next summer they will be out of the quilts too. At this point I expect that I will be replacing them with a larger model of the same very same thing. I leave with a shot of them in our Hogback tent on the banks of the Beaver River.
        >





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      • Ray
        Hi Mike, Thank you for the edits and suggestions, all have been addressed. If you want a little more info on the concept of backpacking quilts I just posted a
        Message 3 of 5 , Nov 11, 2012
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          Hi Mike,

          Thank you for the edits and suggestions, all have been addressed.

          If you want a little more info on the concept of backpacking quilts I just posted a general knowledge article on the subject here:

          http://tinyurl.com/b4nb3af

          See you down the trail,

          Ray



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