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    Richard, I forgot the proper subject line last time so if you didn t get it, the edits are below. Thanks! Tim ... From: Tim Earley
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      Richard,
      I forgot the proper subject line last time so if you didn't get it, the
      edits are below.
      Thanks!
      Tim

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: Tim Earley <timothy.earley@...>
      Date: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM
      Subject: Re: [BackpackGearTest] EDIT - Danner 453 GTX Hiking Boots - Tim
      Earley
      To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com


      Richard,
      Here you go, edits as requested. I believe I got them all. I really
      need to watch out for those metric conversions, I had the same issue last
      time. I believe the link below is clickable as I used the link tool. If
      it's not, I'll be sure to make the html version clickable. Please let me
      know if there's anything else you see.
      Thanks!
      Tim

      *Danner 453 GTX Hiking Boots*

      **

      *Owner Review*

      **

      *Tester Information:*

      Name: Tim Earley

      Age: 26

      Gender: Male

      Height: 6' 0"/ 1.80 m

      Weight: 185 lb/ 84 kg

      Email address: timothy.earley AT gmail.com

      City, State, Country: Yonkers, New York, USA


      *Backpacking Background: *

      My first exposure to backpacking was about seven years ago in the Army where
      I learned everything I needed to learn about being comfortable in the
      wilderness with little to no �comfort gear.� I primarily do day hikes now,
      with the occasional overnight jaunt thrown in whenever possible. I consider
      myself a lightweight packer, though not a minimalist. My favorite hikes are
      those that have significant elevation change as these provide the best
      views, most challenge and best reward. I am most comfortable in cool to
      cold weather as I tend to overheat in other seasons.


      *Product Information:*

      Manufacturer: Danner Boots

      Model: 453 GTX

      Sizes: 6-14; size 12 reviewed

      Widths: D-EE; width D reviewed

      Color: Tan/Grey

      Year of Manufacture: 2008-2009

      URL: www.danner.com

      Listed weight: 48 oz (1360 g) per pair

      Measured weight: 51 oz (1446 g) for size 12 pair

      Fabric Content: Nubuck Leather Fabric with GORE-TEX lining

      MSRP: $160.00

      Country of Manufacture: USA


      *Product Description: *

      The Danner 453 GTX hiking boots are GORE-TEX-lined leather hiking boots.
      They come in either dark tan or light tan coloring. The upper comes up
      about one inch (2.54 cm) past the ankle, providing good ankle support. The
      laces are standard boot laces run through six pairs of eyelets. The last
      eyelet is just about at the top of the boot, allowing the wearer to tighten
      down the top nicely. The tongue is connected to the boot on either side
      except for the top one inch (2.54 cm), preventing water from seeping in.
      The toe cap is a tough rubber material that not only prevents scuffing, but
      provides quite a bit of protection against rocks and other potential toe
      busters. Danner put a TERRA FORCE sole on the boot which is supposed to be
      lightweight yet durable. The tread on the heel is reversed to provide
      traction and prevent slipping while going downhill (as shown in the picture
      below).


      *Field Conditions: *

      I have used these boots in temperatures ranging from 10 F (-15 C) to 80 F
      (27 C). I've worn them on about twenty separate trips totaling at least 150
      miles (241 km). They have also seen everything from driving rain to deep
      sloppy mud to snow. They have proven to be reliably weatherproof and
      provide surprisingly good traction in the snow and mud. The breathability,
      however, is not what I had expected. In weather above 60 F (16 C) my feet
      get quite warm and sweaty. But in cooler weather, they are toasty warm.
      While the boots are not insulated, they do seem to keep my feet pretty warm
      with a good pair of wool socks on. With that said, I believe they will make
      a fine pair of snowshoeing boots.


      *Initial Impressions:*

      I have lots military experience with Danner products and have always been
      impressed. I ordered these boots with confidence online after reading some
      great reviews. When I first received them the first thing I noticed was how
      big the box was. I mean this box was HUGE for a pair of size 12 boots. I
      thought they were the wrong size but they were the size 12 that I ordered.


      I soon found out that the reason the box was so big is because these boots
      are not just average hiking boots. In fact, I think they fall exclusively
      into the realm of backpacking boots. They feature thick, tough ankle
      support and a toe box that should protect the wearer's feet from anything
      but a deliberate boulder punt. There�s even some protective soft plastic to
      protect the heel from, say, a deliberate boulder back-kick? There don�t
      seem to be any places where Danner sacrificed durability for weight, and I
      appreciate that in footwear. I felt very confident that these boots would
      be appropriate for me, as I have a life long history of ankle injuries and
      require appropriate ankle support in my footwear.


      When I put the boots on for the first time I noticed they were, as expected,
      quite stiff. I was a little disappointed in the lacing system as it is sort
      of bulky and awkward, especially with the stock laces in. The stock laces
      seemed to bind a bit whenever I tried to tighten them. These laces were
      very low quality, basically glorified shoe laces. I replaced them with
      lengths of parachute cord and couldn�t be happier. Parachute cord has a way
      of gliding through eyelets a lot better than normal shoe or boot laces.


      I trudged around in the boots for a couple hours and went up and down some
      steps to test for fit and inevitable hot spots. I didn�t find any hot spots
      although I did feel some slipping in the heel. This really concerned me and
      I thought about returning them. But I decided to give them a quick day hike
      to see if it was something that could be broken in as they were extremely
      stiff and I figured I could soften the material up. The day hike ended with
      me being undecided. They were supportive and durable for sure, but they
      were going to take a LONG time to break in. And being the genius I am, I
      got them filthy on the first hike out. So much for returning for a smaller
      size!


      To make a long story short, they broke in after a couple more hikes totaling
      an estimated 15 to 20 miles (24 to 32 km) and they fit great now, although I
      have to say, the right boot still slips ever so slightly in the heel. This
      is not nearly enough to cause a hot spot, just a sensation that the right
      boot is barely too big. My right foot seems to be in between Danner's
      sizes. I�m currently using the original footbeds and plan on trying an
      aftermarket footbed to alleviate this problem.


      These are my default footwear rain or shine, summer or winter because of my
      ankles. They have seen somewhere on the order of 150 (241 km) miles so far
      and have saved my ankles on several occasions. Sometimes my fiance and I
      will be in the woods and I�ll say �Yep, would have broken my ankle again if
      I didn�t have good boots!� So I�m grateful for the support.


      These boots also feature a GORE-TEX laminate for waterproofing. The boots
      are sealed right up to about the top of the tongue. No water getting in the
      sides. I stood in ankle deep water in a creek picking crawfish out from
      under rocks for about 45 minutes without a drop of water in my boots.
      Unfortunately, the boots were not able to protect me from forgetting to take
      my pack off while leaning over rocks, losing my balance and falling into
      waist deep water only to find my fiance laughing so hard she�s crying. I�ve
      found that only time can heal that wound.


      The soles at first had very poor traction on wet rocks but that went away
      once I seemed to wear through the surface of the sole. There must have been
      some coating left over from the manufacturing process. Beware, they aren�t
      just sort of slippery, they�re EXTREMELY slippery on wet rocks to start. So
      much so that I could imagine hurting myself pretty badly. Like I said this
      goes away, but be warned.

      **

      *Owner Review*


      *Review: *

      Overall I have been pleased with the performance of these boots. I prefer
      tougher, slightly heavier boots over some of the more �ultralight� boots
      available. These fit that bill well. They provide great ankle support for
      backpacking with up to a 40 lb (18 kg) pack. They are reliably weatherproof
      and provide plenty of warmth while on the move on cold days. The additional
      warmth disappears once I stop moving for more than a couple of minutes as I
      think it�s a function of the mediocre breathability more than anything else.


      The soles strike a good balance between rigidity and flexibility. They are
      rigid enough to provide good edging on rocks but flexible enough to be
      comfortable over a long day of hiking. The soles also provide good traction
      (aside from the aforementioned slippery rocks), even going downhill.


      As I�ve said, the breathability is mediocre. In cool enough weather (or
      slow enough activity, for that matter) they are very comfortable and breathe
      more than well enough. However, if I up the tempo a bit (or go out on a
      warmer day) I do feel some dampness in the boots. I wouldn�t attribute this
      to these particular boots as I�ve experienced the same with GORE-TEX jackets
      and pants. It�s just part of the deal with GORE-TEX I suppose. In any
      case, they breath far better than a pair of rubber boots!


      The boots seem to be holding up very well as I truly beat my boots up pretty
      badly. There are nothing more than some aesthetic scars and maybe some
      staining of the leather from moisture. The toecaps have provided ample
      protection for my toes and are no worse for the wear.


      I have to comment on another unexpected aspect of these boots. When wearing
      them recently on a snowy backpacking trip, I noticed they did a very good
      job of keep snow off my feet. What I mean by that is that while snow will
      get in over the top, the boots seem to cinch down just above the ankles
      (almost like a draft collar on a sleeping bag), preventing any from actually
      getting to my feet. Surely not a substitute for gaiters as I still had to
      wipe the snow out, but I was unprepared and it was nice to know I wasn't
      going to have chunks of snow under my feet all day.


      *Summary:*

      These boots have been exactly what I expected. They are tough, durable and
      supportive. They provide all the protection that my feet and ankles require
      and give me a good grip on all types of ground. However, this amount of
      protection comes at the price of increased weight and mediocre
      breathability.


      I would recommend these boots to anyone with weak or injured ankles looking
      for a boot appropriate for year round use, as long as they don�t mind a bit
      of sweat in the warmer months. I look forward to snowshoeing with these
      boots and will continue to use them until they fall apart.


      *The Good:*

      1. Ankle support is great

      2. Completely weatherproof

      3. Good multi-direction traction (after initial break in period)

      **

      *The Bad:*

      1. Incredibly slippery on wet rock to start. Take some sandpaper to the
      soles to start.

      2. Breathability is barely adequate in warmer weather.

      3. The stock laces simply stink. Replace them with parachute cord.


      On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:48 PM, richardglyon <montana.angler@...>wrote:

      >
      >
      > Tim, This has the makings of a very good review on a product I know well,
      > having worn a pair for many years until they wore out. I have some edits, in
      > the customary format � EDIT (all caps) is a required change; Edit (initial
      > cap) is a suggested change or request for clarification, and Comment is just
      > that, with no change required. Before getting to those, however, I have an
      > overarching EDIT (required change) dictated by Chapter 6 of the BGT Survival
      > Guide: please re-arrange your review so that the Field Information precedes
      > your evaluation. This is more than rote adherence to the rules; it'll make
      > the review more readable, as much of your evaluation depends on the field
      > conditions you faced.
      >
      > When you have revised your Review, repost the plain text in this space with
      > "REPOST," the product name, and your name in the subject line. Post the html
      > formatted report in the Tests/Owner Reviews folder with a link (preferably
      > tinyurl or snipurl format) in the plain text.
      >
      > Cheers, Richard
      >
      > <<Email address: timothy.earley@...>>
      > Edit: You may wish to make this non-clickable, to frustrate spammers.
      >
      > <<Manufacturer: Danner>>
      > EDIT: Here you should use its full name: Danner Boots
      >
      > <<Sizes: 6-14; size 12 reviewed>>
      > Edit: Consider adding that these boots are available in D and EE widths,
      > and stating which you wear. Few bootmakers offer a choice of widths, and a
      > narrow-footed reader (like me) would find this useful.
      >
      > <<URL:www.danner.com>>
      > EDIT: This needs to be a clickable link.
      >
      > <<Listed weight: 48 oz (1360 g)>>
      > EDIT: Indicate that this is per pair.
      >
      > <<The Danner 453 GTX hiking boots are GORE-TEX lined leather hiking
      > boots.>>
      > Edit: GORE-TEX-lined [with a hyphen]
      >
      > <<They come in either dark tan or light tan coloring. The upper comes up
      > about one inch past the ankle, providing good ankle support. >>
      > << The tongue is connected to the boot on either side except for
      > the top inch, >>
      > EDIT: Need a metric conversion after "one inch" and "top inch
      >
      > <<To make a long story short, they broke in after a couple more hikes and
      > they fit great now, although I have to say, the right boot still slips ever
      > so slightly in the heel. >>
      > EDIT: Indicate the approximate mileage it took to break in the boots. Don't
      > forget a metric conversion.
      > Edit: Somewhere in your Review you might mention whether you are using
      > Danner's footbeds or aftermarket ones.
      > Comment: A good aftermarket footbed might fix that slippage.
      >
      > << They have seen somewhere on the order of 150 miles so far>>
      > EDIT: Need a metric conversion.
      >
      > << Perhaps roughing the soles up before use will prevent this.>>
      > EDIT: We don't allow "projection" � speculating about what might happen to
      > another wearer or what a possible fix might do. Delete this sentence,
      > especially since you make your point in your Likes and Dislikes below.
      >
      > <<I have used these boots in temperatures ranging from 10 degrees
      > Fahrenheit (-15 degrees Celsius) to 80 degrees Fahrenheit (27 degrees
      > Celsius). >>
      > EDIT: BGT's convention on temperatures is to use F and C and not to use the
      > word "degrees." 10 F (-15 C) and 80 F (27 C). Fix the other temperatures
      > listed in your Review in the same manner.
      >
      > << I've worn them on about twenty separate trips totaling at least 150
      > miles (conservative estimate).>>
      > EDIT: Need metric conversion.
      >
      > << With that said, I believe they will make a fine pair of snowshoeing
      > boots.> about>
      > EDIT: More projection. Please delete.
      >
      > << They provide great ankle support for backpacking with up to a 40 lb
      > pack.>>
      > EDIT: Add metric conversion.
      >
      > << they are very comfortable and breath more than well enough.>>
      > EDIT: breathe [spelling]
      >
      > << There are nothing more than some asthetic scars>>
      > EDIT: aesthetic [spelling]
      >
      > << Surely not a substitute for gaiters as I still had to wipe the snow out,
      > but I was unprepared it was nice to know I wasn't going to have chunks of
      > snow under my feet all day.>>
      > EDIT: There's a word missing. Add "as" after "but" (or "and" after
      > "unprepared").
      >
      > << They would also be appropriate for anyone who uses lightweight footwear
      > in warmer months and is looking for more substantial cool weather footwear.
      > >>
      > EDIT: More projection. You can't report on another person's likes or
      > dislikes. Please delete.
      >
      > <<3. Good multi-direction traction (after inital break in period)>>
      > EDIT: initial [spelling]
      >
      >
      >


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