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    EDIT: MSR Dragonfly Stove - Roger Ault Hi Roger Welcome to BGT. I have some small edits for you to fix, and these are listed below. Please do not be offended
    Message 1 of 1 , Feb 22, 2009
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      EDIT: MSR Dragonfly Stove - Roger Ault

      Hi Roger

      Welcome to BGT. I have some small edits for you to fix, and these are
      listed below. Please do not be offended by the terse manner used in
      spelling out the edits: that's just how I find it easiest to list them.

      When you have fixed these matters please REPOST the plain text of your
      OR here on this channel.
      At the same time would you please put the new HTML version in the
      Tests / Owner Reviews folder on BGT. In the future please include the
      URL for the HTML file in the Test folder with your first posting and
      all subsequent ones to make my life easier. It is now a requirement
      that we check the HTML version for various things like a clickable
      manufacturer's URL and some details of the layout before giving
      approval, and it is also a requirement that you provide the URL to
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      time and are easily confused ...

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      Edit: you should seriously consider fixing this in some way,
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      Roger Caffin
      BGT Editor
      > I have been camping for several years.I Had limited chances as a
      EDIT: years. I had ...

      > for shelter.I generally hike in the woods and rolling hills of
      EDIT: space after period

      > Listed Weight: 14 oz (395 g) stove with pump
      EDIT: You must provide your measured weights as well - for each
      component as well as the 'minimum field kit'. This is a fundamental
      requirement at BGT.

      EDIT: you should also privide your measured dimensions - same comment.

      EDIT: you have not specified what fuel or fuels this stove uses. This
      is obviously a fundamental requirement.

      EDIT: you don't have a Product Description of the stove - in your
      words. Yes, the picture is very good, but we do want you to give a
      text description as well.

      EDIT: you have the paragraphs very close together. This makes reading
      the text hard. Separate the paragraphs either with format control or a
      second cariage return.

      > stuff sack as well as the stove itself. altogether
      EDIT: Altogether ...

      > 17.5 oz (496 g) It is possible to shave a couple
      EDIT: period after (496 g)

      > windscreen home but I would not recommend leaving anything
      Edit: be fairly cautious making any recommendations: you do not need.
      it is usually preferred if you can write something like
      "but I would prefer to not leave anything else out"

      > temps from 0 F to 95 F (-17.77 C - 35 C).
      Edit: I know the Units Convertor gives you two decimal places, but
      17.77 C is ridiculous. Can you change that to 18 C?

      > I carry a 22 oz (651 ml) fuel bottle which is made of
      Edit: similar problem here. Always try to round off appropriately. 650
      mL is fine.

      > The area here in Indiana, USA is generally
      > 500 - 1000 ft (152 - 305 m) I spend a great deal of my time
      EDIT: period after 305 m)

      > it could probably be lost easily. (Maybe I should paint it a bright
      Comment: just tie a bright ribbon to it.

      > The first time or two using it was a little tricky to get the
      > correct amount of fuel to operate the primer correctly and to
      > turn the fuel valve at the right time.
      Comment: comprehensible, but the granmmar is a bit rough. We also
      teach English Composition ...

      > very well. At temperatures near 0F (-18C) getting going can take
      Edit: start new paragraph here: you are dealing with a new topic of
      cold weather.

      > doesn't generate a flame I back off after adding just a little
      > fuel in primer cup from the valve opening and allow it to
      > generate more heat.
      EDIT: I know what you are saying, but I have used countless stoves. A
      novice may have trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Clarify.

      > I have also put my stainless steel coffee cup on the "cup" of
      > this stove and lightly simmered to warm coffee in cold weather.
      EDIT: I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. A novice
      cerrtainly won't. Clarify.

      > I have only 2 packs at this time one is 80 L (4882 cu in) which I
      > can carry a great deal of gear and tend to take more than needed.
      EDIT: first of the grammar here is very hard to understand. It would
      need to be clarified. But this paragraph actually has nothing to do
      with your evaulation of the stove, so instead it should be omitted

      > If I do any work in the field it has to be done on a towel
      > or something where any dropped parts can be easily seen.
      Comment: Indeed!

      > Summary
      EDIT: a fair bit of this should be in the Product description at the

      > not ultra compact or ultralight but is packable inside of a pot and
      EDIT: delete 'of': it is a horrible crime.

      > Manufacturer states multiple fuels can be used although I have only
      EDIT: The manufacturer states ...

      > It is a primer cup stove in which raw fuel is burned in a cup
      > and slowly converts to usable flame.
      EDIT: this is completely wrong. It is a 'vortex burner', and the fuel
      comes out of the jet as a vapour.

      > Fuel valve can be cleaned by shaking.
      EDIT: The control valve can be ...

      > I would recommend this stove to anyone who wants a dependable
      Edit: we would prefer yopu just state your preferences and do not
      'project' onto what another person might want or need. This is another
      one of our rigid rules: talk only about YOUR experinces.

      > I often do not use the windscreen to minimize wear since it is just
      EDIT: bad grammar: fix.
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