EDIT: MSR Dragonfly Stove - Roger Ault Hi Roger Welcome to BGT. I have some sm
- EDIT: MSR Dragonfly Stove - Roger Ault
Welcome to BGT. I have some small edits for you to fix, and these are
listed below. Please do not be offended by the terse manner used in
spelling out the edits: that's just how I find it easiest to list them.
When you have fixed these matters please REPOST the plain text of your
OR here on this channel.
At the same time would you please put the new HTML version in the
Tests / Owner Reviews folder on BGT. In the future please include the
URL for the HTML file in the Test folder with your first posting and
all subsequent ones to make my life easier. It is now a requirement
that we check the HTML version for various things like a clickable
manufacturer's URL and some details of the layout before giving
approval, and it is also a requirement that you provide the URL to
help us Editors find your file. We are often editing several ORs at a
time and are easily confused ...
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the inclusion of photos in your first Owner Review, we do strongly
encourage you to do so. Your second Owner Review will require the
inclusion of photos anyhow. As I am sure you will know, pictures
convey so much more information when used in conjunction with the
text. If you have trouble with the pictures, and especially with the
'ALT' tags, let me know. The problem is well-known and easily fixed.
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EDIT: you must fix this to comply with BackpackGearTest standards,
Edit: you should seriously consider fixing this in some way,
Comment: usually just that, although you might want to make a change
as a result.
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> I have been camping for several years.I Had limited chances as aEDIT: years. I had ...
> for shelter.I generally hike in the woods and rolling hills ofEDIT: space after period
> Listed Weight: 14 oz (395 g) stove with pumpEDIT: You must provide your measured weights as well - for each
component as well as the 'minimum field kit'. This is a fundamental
requirement at BGT.
EDIT: you should also privide your measured dimensions - same comment.
EDIT: you have not specified what fuel or fuels this stove uses. This
is obviously a fundamental requirement.
EDIT: you don't have a Product Description of the stove - in your
words. Yes, the picture is very good, but we do want you to give a
text description as well.
EDIT: you have the paragraphs very close together. This makes reading
the text hard. Separate the paragraphs either with format control or a
second cariage return.
> stuff sack as well as the stove itself. altogetherEDIT: Altogether ...
> 17.5 oz (496 g) It is possible to shave a coupleEDIT: period after (496 g)
> windscreen home but I would not recommend leaving anythingEdit: be fairly cautious making any recommendations: you do not need.
it is usually preferred if you can write something like
"but I would prefer to not leave anything else out"
> temps from 0 F to 95 F (-17.77 C - 35 C).Edit: I know the Units Convertor gives you two decimal places, but
17.77 C is ridiculous. Can you change that to 18 C?
> I carry a 22 oz (651 ml) fuel bottle which is made ofEdit: similar problem here. Always try to round off appropriately. 650
mL is fine.
> The area here in Indiana, USA is generallyEDIT: period after 305 m)
> 500 - 1000 ft (152 - 305 m) I spend a great deal of my time
> it could probably be lost easily. (Maybe I should paint it a brightcolor?)
Comment: just tie a bright ribbon to it.
> The first time or two using it was a little tricky to get theComment: comprehensible, but the granmmar is a bit rough. We also
> correct amount of fuel to operate the primer correctly and to
> turn the fuel valve at the right time.
teach English Composition ...
> very well. At temperatures near 0F (-18C) getting going can takeEdit: start new paragraph here: you are dealing with a new topic of
> doesn't generate a flame I back off after adding just a littleEDIT: I know what you are saying, but I have used countless stoves. A
> fuel in primer cup from the valve opening and allow it to
> generate more heat.
novice may have trouble understanding what you are trying to say. Clarify.
> I have also put my stainless steel coffee cup on the "cup" ofEDIT: I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. A novice
> this stove and lightly simmered to warm coffee in cold weather.
cerrtainly won't. Clarify.
> I have only 2 packs at this time one is 80 L (4882 cu in) which IEDIT: first of the grammar here is very hard to understand. It would
> can carry a great deal of gear and tend to take more than needed.
need to be clarified. But this paragraph actually has nothing to do
with your evaulation of the stove, so instead it should be omitted
> If I do any work in the field it has to be done on a towelComment: Indeed!
> or something where any dropped parts can be easily seen.
> SummaryEDIT: a fair bit of this should be in the Product description at the
> not ultra compact or ultralight but is packable inside of a pot andEDIT: delete 'of': it is a horrible crime.
> Manufacturer states multiple fuels can be used although I have onlyEDIT: The manufacturer states ...
> It is a primer cup stove in which raw fuel is burned in a cupEDIT: this is completely wrong. It is a 'vortex burner', and the fuel
> and slowly converts to usable flame.
comes out of the jet as a vapour.
> Fuel valve can be cleaned by shaking.EDIT: The control valve can be ...
> I would recommend this stove to anyone who wants a dependableEdit: we would prefer yopu just state your preferences and do not
'project' onto what another person might want or need. This is another
one of our rigid rules: talk only about YOUR experinces.
> I often do not use the windscreen to minimize wear since it is justEDIT: bad grammar: fix.