Brad Banker Please Read - Re: Owner Review - 1st attempt. MSR Simmerlite
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- EDIT: OR MSR SIMMERLITE Brad Banker
You have obviously put a lot of work and thought into this review.
It's really good for a first attempt at an Owner Review. Here at
BackpackGearTest.org we have developed some standards that we like to
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With that said, here are your edits:
### EDIT: We prefer that you put the type of gear in the title.
I.E. MSR Simmerlite Stove
BY BRAD BANKER
### Edit: This may be generated by the report writer, if so you can
ignore this one, but we prefer that `owner review' be spelled out.
October 04, 2008
NAME: Brad Banker
LOCATION: Greensbro, NC
### EDIT: You missed an `o' in Greensboro
HEIGHT: 6' 0" (1.80 m)
WEIGHT: 240 lb (109.00 kg)
I went on my first backpacking trip at 5 years old, and hiked quite a
bit as a child. I picked it back up in my 20's, and have been
regularly backpacking now for well over 10 years. I mostly backpack
the mountains of NC and VA on 1-5 night trips from solo to groups of
10 or, most of it on or around the AT.
### EDIT: I think you missed the word `more' (groups of 10 or more)
I backpack in all seasons
from >90 degrees F to 0 and below. My main hiking companions are my
wife (when it's not too cold) and my two golden retrievers.
### Comment: The greater than symbol looks a little odd, especially
since these types of symbols are often shown in replies, etc.
Perhaps you'd just like to use the word `over' instead.
### EDIT: You need the metric conversions for your temperatures.
Also, we generally do not use the word `degrees'. 90 F will
suffice. The conversion tool here has some good information at the
end on how we like to see abbreviations, etc. written out:
Year of Manufacture: 2004
Manufacturer's Website: http://www.msrgear.com/stoves/simmerlite.asp
MSRP: $99.95 US
Listed Weight: 8.5 oz oz (240g)
### EDIT: remove extra `oz'
Measured Weight: 10.1 oz (289 g) With stuff sack and repair kit.
### Edit: Your conversion is slightly off. 289 g would be 10.2 oz,
or 10.1 oz is 286 g. Please fix appropriately. Also, the `w'
in `with' should not be capitalized in this use.
Other details: Comes with small wrench, o-ring and sealant. Make
sure you let the stove cool fully before you place it in it's stuff
sack, or the plastic bag which contains the repair kit will melt.
### EDIT: We try to avoid using the word `you' since it is what we
call projection concluding what others might do. Please re-word to
make it from your point of view, or generic. I.E. `I make sure I
let the stove cool ' OR `Make sure the stove is fully cool before
placing it in
### EDIT: Also, in this use `its' does not have an apostrophe.
### EDIT: We need a product description in your own words. What
does the stove look like? How does it connect with the fuel tank?
How tall is it? How wide? Where does the fuel line come in? How
does it fold? Paint us a word picture of the stove as if you were
trying to describe it to someone who had never seen one. Give us as
many details as you can think of. If you get stuck, you can read a
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type of description we are looking for. Just be sure to use your own
words when you are ready to write.
Owner review after 4 dedicated years of use.
I have experience using many types of stoves including the old
Coleman Exponent Feather 442 Dual-Fuel Stove (which is not made of
feathers at 1.8 oz empty,) MSR Whisperlite, homemade soda can
denatured alcohol stoves, and isobutane canister stoves.
I was looking for a go between for my very heavy, but bomb proof
Coleman and my soda can stoves. I needed an option that allowed me
to simmer if necessary, but afforded me the ability to melt snow for
water - but of course at a lighter weight.
### EDIT: We don't mention other manufacturer products by name in
comparison with items we are reviewing. It would be fine to state
you have a heavier dual fuel stove, but do not state the name of the
company/product of the Coleman stove.
My prior experience with my old whisperlite years ago lead me to have
realistic expectations about my simmerlite, as I knew what to expect
with priming and cleaning using the Shaker Jet.
### EDIT: Capitalize both Whisperlite and Simmerlite. It is okay to
use comparisons with the same manufacturers different product lines,
so this is fine.
My initial experience with priming and lighting the stove was a very
large fireball on my back deck. The instructions read "Release only
1/2 spoon full of fuel. Open pump control valve several turns and
let fuel wet entire burner head. Immediately close pump control
valve." The directions state that a small soccer ball sized flame is
normal. It was much more than a soccer ball the first time. I found
this harder than my old whisperlite in that the burner holes seemed
to slope downward more, and the fuel spilled onto the ground easier.
### EDIT: Capitalize Whisperlite.
### Comment: my grammar check says a comma is not necessary after
the words `downward more', but I'll leave that up to you as we try to
avoid editing for commas.
Once I practiced this 8-10 times, I got the hang of it, and was able
to get a softball sized fireball upon ignition and just enough fuel
to warm the burner, drop into the fuel catch cup below , prime the
stove before opening the valve again to fire the burners.
### Edit: you need the word `and' in front of `prime the stove'.
Simmering only took a few tries to master. I read many reviews
myself before selecting this stove and read many complaints about not
being able to get this stove to simmer, but I may have spent enough
time futzing with my whisperlite (which is not supposed to be able to
simmer, but it can somewhat if you play with it enough) and my not as
light as a feather 442, that it was pretty easy.
### EDIT: Capitalize `Whisperlite'. Also, remove reference to the
442 (you can say `dual fuel stove')
I have used this stove in every weather from 95F to 0F and altitudes
of around 6000 feet with great results. It folds up very nicely, and
fits into my SnowPeak Trek1400 Titanium pot along with two lexan
spoons very well.
### EDITS: Need temperature conversions, and capitalize `Lexan'.
### Comments: Can you give us any idea of the approximate number of
uses? Have you used it with different pots?
I do notice that there is a lot of soot under and on the stove after
use, which I do not remember as much on my Whisperlite.
For my cooking setup the pot support width is fine, but if you use a
larger pot, such as a 4 quart pot with a wide base, you may have
tipping problems if you are not on perfectly level ground.
### EDIT: Re-word to avoid using the word `you'.
### Comment: You might mention whether you have problems with the
pots sliding or if there are grooves that help keep this from
I have both a 22oz and 11oz fuel bottle, but most commonly use the
11oz bottle. It seems to be plenty for 2-4 people for 2-3 days,
which are representative of most of my trips. I have found that if I
use the supplied wind screen and heat reflector bottom (which add an
extra 2 ounces to my previously mentioned weight) boil times in the
field are around 3-4 minutes as advertised. Fuel consumption is on
par with MSR's tables as well, but if you do need to cook multiple
things at one meal, only priming the stove once and cooking
everything at one time saves a considerable amount of fuel.
### EDIT: Re-word to avoid using the word `you'.
This stove is my go to stove for high volume, multiple meal cooking,
or any cold weather application. I still revert to my trusty old
soda can stove for fair weather solo trips,and for warm weekends with
just my wife I sometimes still use my isobutane PocketRocket stove.
I would not hesitate to recommend or purchase the Simmerlite Stove
again. Stove weight, efficiency, boil times, ease of use and
reliability are on par with MSR's advertising and reputation.
THINGS I LIKE
Light weight for white gas stove.
Relative ease of use if you are used to MSR's products.
### EDIT: re-word to avoid using `you'. Do you think that ease of
use is different with MSR's products, or is it just the nature of a
liquid fuel stove? You might consider re-wording to reflect that.
Truley simmers when you need it if you practice.
### EDIT: Remove extra `e' in Truly, and re-word to remove `you'.
Easy to clean and maintain with supplied parts and ShakerJet.
### EDIT: Please check and use the manufacturer term for `Shaker
Jet'. You use it as two words earlier in the report, but as one
here. Correct either here or above.
THINGS I DON'T LIKE
Lots of soot on the stove.
Average pot support width.
### Comment: Is average width really a dislike? Wouldn't that be a
trade-off with portability and ease of packing if it were wider?
Can be difficult to learn to prime without a fireball and potentially
loosing your eyebrows and hair.
### EDIT: spelling of `losing', and remove `you'.
Can be difficult to learn to simmer, unless you practice.
### EDIT: Remove `you'
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Thanks for your patience in this process. The first owner review
often requires a few revisions, but your second should go a little
faster as you learn the procedures and the standards we like to abide
I look forward to your repost,
Owner Review Editor
I am sorry I did not see your revised edition before I posted your
edit. Let's handle it this way - I see you caught some of the things
(including a product description). Go ahead and correct the items
that are still pertinent from my edit of the original in your revised
version, then go ahead and upload an HTML version to the test folder
and repost here for another check.
I do see one thing that will need to be changed in the revised
version. Although you will see packaging details in some older
reports, in general we now try to avoid describe packaging such as
plain cardboard boxes in the report, as they just are not pertinent.
The exceptions to describing packaging might be if there is a lot of
information on the package such as sock hangtags with fabric content
Once you repost, I'll check for anything else that may need changed
and we'll go from there.
Thanks, and sorry for any inconvenience,