EDIT: OWNER REVIEW - Kelty Gunnison 2 Tent
> EDIT: OWNER REVIEW - Kelty Gunnison 2 TentHi John,
and welcome to BackpackGearTest.org. Sorry this took so long. Please
understand we're all volunteers here and sometimes it takes some time
until someone has enough spare time to use it for editing.
Anyway, I'm glad you decided to take the plunge! Please understand
that here at BackpackGearTest.org we've evolved a style in which
reports should be written which we believe is good for any number of
reasons. Editing a report to conform to these expectations can take
some time and usually several rounds of revisions. FYI. But having
gone through it twice before testing gear with us means that you'll
have a much easier time writing reports to spec from the get-go and
gives us comfort that you're willing to put in the work required for
good test reports.
One more note: We tend to suggest to "Newbies" (a term of endearment)
that the first Owner Review be written on something simple (a hat,
pair of pants, pot, you know) rather than the more involved mainstays
of backpacking (tent, backpack, sleeping bag). The less involved the
item is, the easier it is to get the report into BGT form. Having
taken a look at your posted first draft, I'm willing to Edit it as
is, I'm just pointing this out to you - possibly you might want to
put this one on hold and use it for your 2nd OR, and do your first OR
on a simpler item. Your call.
So - the edits take the following form: "EDIT" indicates something
you need to change because of a typo or BGT policy, "Edit" indicates
something you may want to change because it reads oddly or for other
reasons, though the call remains yours, "Comment" indicates that I
couldn't keep my mouth shut (again). Here goes:
--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "johnschlafer"
>EDIT: metric conversions please (see our handy conversion utility at
> Kelty Gunnison 2 Tent
> Biographical Information:
> Name: John Schlafer
> Age: 26
> Gender: Male
> Height: 6'3"
> Weight: 210lbs
> Email Address: John[dot]Schlafer[at]gmail[dot]comEDIT: Please spell out Indiana (for ignorant foreigners like myself)
> Location: Indianapolis, IN USA
> Date: August 19, 2008hike
> Backpacking Background: I am new to backpacking. I do a long day
> every month or so. I've done two three-day two-night trips, and IEDIT: conversion for the miles (320 km), please spell
> backpacked 200 miles of the AT in the spring of '08.
out "Appalachian Trail" (same reason)
I like to hike
> light, but I have a small gear budget. So I try to go for a nicebalance
> of light and inexpensive.MSRP: $169.
> Product Information:
> Product: Kelty Gunnison 2
> Manufacturer: Kelty
> Year of Manufacture: 2006
> Web site: www.kelty.com <http://www.kelty.com/>
EDIT: USD 169, or US$ 169 please (again, for the furriners)
> from discount retailer: $115EDIT: We don't list the prices we've paid or seen available at
retailers (unless there's no MSRP). It's not really meaningful for
the reader who may not have access to the same retailer (even if it's
an online shop, we're reviewing gear, not retailers)
> Capacity: 2 personcm)
> Type: 3 season
> Dimensions: 7ft 8 in x 4ft 10 in x 3 ft 4 in (234 cm x 147 cm x 102
Edit: I'd suggest breaking this down into height, width and length
(the latter two aren't obvious from the description alone)
> Stuffed Size: 7 in x 2 ft 1 in (18 cm x 64 cm)EDIT: please describe what's part of the weight you measured
> Listed Weight: 5 lbs 11 oz (2.58 kg)
> Weight as Delivered: 5 lbs 12 oz (2.82 kg)
(guylines, stakes, stuff sack(s), etc.)
> Product Description:tent.
> The Kelty Gunnison is a free standing two-person rectangular dome
> It has two doors and two large vestibules. It useEDIT: uses
two flexible aluminum
> poles (8.45ozEDIT: please insert a space between the number and the unit
which cross to form an X. It stakes down in
> each of its four corners. The tent has twelve plastic clips to holdthe
> tent to the poles. The clips are designed so that they slip on verythis
> easily, but they require a small twist to take them off. This makes
> easily to take off but hard for them to slip off accidentally.Edit: This statement is okay, but borders on projection. "Projection"
is when we state something in a way which implies being true in all
cases, when all we know is that it was true in ours. This runs
against our policy of reporting our experience only. It's a bit
tricky, and I may well be the most picky of editors when it comes to
projection (you may refer to me as the projection police). Anyway,
the way to safeguard against projection in this case might be to
state that the clips are designed to be easy to take off but hard to
slip off accidentally. Or, you can give us a full account of whether
this was so for you in your experience with your particular item,
though that's something you may wish to do further down when you get
to your own experience.
> anchor to the bottom of the tent by slipping into dual purposeplastic
> The clips both hold the poles and act as the slots that the fly
> into. The fly The fly has two plastic windows, one on each end ofthe
> tent. It also has two small vents, one on each side of the tent. Thesmall
> vents open and close with a zipper. The vents have a small, thin,
> permanently-installed, flexible pole above them , which supports a
> flap. The pole and flap combination allow you keep the vents openeven
> in the rain.EDIT: PROJECTION! Quick, get the kids inside! (Kidding.) The
word "you" often signifies projection. You (John) don't know whether
the poles allow me (André) to keep the vents open even in the rain. I
may have 10 thumbs or be stupid. Or live in a region where winds are
so strong that rain is nearly always near-horizontal. Because you
don't know what is true for me, refrain from stating it that way. In
general, I've found that leaving out the word "you" entirely should
be possible. I try to do that. In the case at hand, again - either
state that you believe this to be the design intent, or state that
it's allowed you to do that (in your own experience).
The fly has 8 stake points. 6 of these are for guy
> linesone in each corner and two on the ends. The vestibule isstake on
> created by staking the fly out away from the tent with a single
> each side. The stake loop is a long piece of webbing looped througha
> plastic slide. The long webbing and plastic slide allow youEDIT: ditto
to stake the
> fly where convenient and then pull fly taught.EDIT: pull *the* fly taught.
The vestibule closes with
> a zipper and Velcro.Edit: Are you sure it's "Velcro" (the trademarked item)? If so,
that's fine. If not, we like to refer to the knock-offs as "hook and
loop closures" (no kidding).
The zipper ends a few inches
EDIT: conversion, please
before the bottom,
> which is finally closed with a snap.EDIT: I can't do that, I've never even seen the tent. ;-)
> When you open the vestibule,
one side rolls back and is held back by a
> small clip. The tent doors have dual zippers. Inside the tent aretwo
> mesh pockets. Additionally, the tent comes with a small mesh hammockEDIT: spaces beween units and numbers
> (.65oz (19g))
that ties into the top of the inside for storage. There is
> also a hook at the top center to hang a light. The floor of the tentEDIT: conversion please
> comes pre-seam-sealed with tape.
> The tent comes with 12 straight peg stakes. The stakes are 8 inches
> and weight .55 oz (17g)EDIT: space before "g"
each. The tent also comes with 6 guy lines. The
> guy lines are made of black nylon and have small plastic slidingclips
> The guy lines are 6 feetEDIT: conversion
long and weight
EDIT: spaces between numbers and units and before the open parenthesis
each. The tent comes
> with three stuff sacks, one large that will hold all of the tentitems.
Edit: Are you sure that was supposed to be a sentence-ending period?
It reads a little odd.
> One for the poles and one theEDIT: that
holds the stakes, guy lines, and mesh
> hammock.EDIT: 200 mile (320 km) hike
> Field Information:
> I've used the Gunnison 2 for two three day two night trips in
> Southern Indiana and a 16 day, 200 miles hike
of the Appalachian Trail.
> On both hikes, I shared the tent with my wife. The trails inSouthern
> Indiana were hilly temperate rain forest in a federal wildernessarea
> with few good campsites. Temperatures ranged from 20 deg. F. atnight (
> Celsius) to 75 deg. F.EDIT: conversions needed on both temperatures
during the day. The Appalachian Trial
Comment: Yes, I've heard it can be that hard.
EDIT: but it's spelled "Trail"
> mountainous but well maintained trailsEdit: how about "... is mountainous but *has* well maintained
trails ... "
with many excellent campsites to
> choose from. The temperatures ranged from 40 deg. F. at night to 90deg.
> F.EDIT: conversions needed
during the day. On the AT,
EDIT: Either spell it out again, or write it as "Appalachian Trail
(AT)" once, and then you can stick with AT subsequently (again, it's
because of all the bloody furriners that look up BGT.org and don't
know the first thing about long-distance hiking in the US.
we experienced rain while in the tent
> twice.Edit: That seems like an odd sub-heading, seeing that this whole
thing is an Owner Review. How about sub-dividing your own experience
like "Setup", "Room", "Weatherrotection", "Condensation", "Bugs",
> Overall, the Kelty Gunnison 2 has been an excellent tent. It is
> set-up, very stable, and provides excellent ventilation. Iappreciate
> many of the bonus features of the tent, although I do recognize thatEdit: (And this is close to an EDIT) I don't know which "bonus
> they add weight, which I do not like.
features" you are talking about. This sentence might be moved further
down into a summary or such, after you've discussed the bonus
features in question.
> The Gunnison is very similar in size and set-up to the Hubba Hubbatent
> by MSR. In my mind it is a direct trade-off between price andweight.
> The Hubba Hubba weighs approximately 1.5 pounds less, but it listsfor
> over $130 more, and in practice costs almost 200 more.EDIT: We don't do direct comparisons. You can include a much more
general statement like "I've seen at least one tent similar in design
weighing about 1.5 lb (680 g) less but costing about 200 USD more".
As I always hike
> with my wife and we are able to split the weight of the tent ( Itake
> the tent and fly, she takes the poles, stakes, and guy lines), theEdit: How much each of these packages then weigh would be useful
> weight-to-cost trade-off makes sense to me.
> The tent has many benefits. The set-up is a breeze. I can get thetent
> set-up and the fly on with the vestibule staked in less than 5minutes
> if it is raining. Because of the shape of the clips on the cornersI can
> usually just slip a pole into its slot without having to bend downand
> be right at the corner. The adjustable webbing on the edges of theEDIT: makes staking
> vestibule make taking
the vestibule very easy. Just find a place where
EDIT: *I* just find a place [or else it's projection again]
> the stake goes in easy, and adjust the webbing to fit. Staking thefreezing
> corners of the tent and setting up the guy lines takes longer.
> The ventilation in the tent is excellent. I've never had
> condensation drip on me, even when we were sleeping in below
> temperatures. And usually, there is no condensation on the fly atall. I
> attribute this to the vents at the top of the fly. Because of thesmall
> flaps over the vent you can keep this open even when it is raining,from
> which is one time you most want to be able to clear the humidity
> your tent.EDIT: you can probably spot the projection issue I have with the
preceding paragraph by yourself now. Please modify accordingly.
One problem, though, is that the small poles that create the
> flap are not removable. One snapped when the tent was packed,probably
> because it was bent when I rolled the tent. The flap still works,but I
> am afraid the broken pole will eventually rip the tent and comeloose.
> Had I thought this would be a problem I would have been morecareful in
> how I rolled the tent.EDIT: conversions please
> The tent is a very nice size. I just fits my wife and me shoulder to
> shoulder. We are both large. I am 6'3" 210 and she is
and we both fit comfortably, although there is no room to
> spare. There is a few inchesEDIT: conversion
of room above our heads or below our feet
> (depending on how we lay) to store a few things.Comment: So there is room to spare, though only a little?
We are able to change
> when we are both in the tent, but only one at a time. There is alsoonly
> room for one of us to sit up at a time.Edit: Is this because the tent ceiling slopes?
The vestibule is plenty large to
> store all our gear. Our packs, boots, hiking poles, and anythingelse we
> want to keep under the vestibule fits well.EDIT: they're letting it *in*, and are doing so *in* the evenings and
> The plastic windows are nice. They have not yellowed, and I really
> appreciate the light they let in the evenings and the mornings.
mornings. Either you have a double "in" there, or you rephrase the
sentence (say, to start with "In the evenings and mornings, I really
appreciate the light they let in.").
> I don't know if they are worth the weight.Because it
> The mesh hammock works well. It stores a lot for what it is.
> ties on to loops that are sewn on at the same spot as hooks thatconnect
> to the poles, you can put a lot of weight in the hammock withoutcausing
> the tent to sag.EDIT: This is both projection and a little unclear on what's "a lot".
The amount of weight *I* consider to be "a lot" may have the tent
collapes. Can you guesstimate the weight you've had in there, or give
a brief description of the things you've stowed there?
Comment: Any issues with this encroaching on head room?
> The bottom of the tent is sturdy. I have never used a ground cloth,and
> while I pick my camping spots carefully, I have had no problemswith the
> bottom tearing or getting small holes.that
> There are a few obnoxious things about the tent. The small clips
> hold the fly and door open are not very effective. They are placedlow
> on the tent, and the fly and the door almost always come loose.Edit: I understand that they coming loose is a bother, but not what
your issue with the placement is. Do they come loose because of the
placement, or do feel the placement to be in a bad spot even if it
> the most obnoxious thing about the tent is the snap at the bottomof the
> fly. Because it is so far out, it is difficult to reach. Even beingEDIT: conversion
I have to almost lay my torso on the ground to reach the
> snap and close it. This is a particular problem when it is rainingEDIT: I've never noticed getting muddy just because you were laying
> because you get muddy.
down. ;-) (Projection again, right?)
> Overall this is a great tent. I would reccomend it to anyone who is
> looking for a good weight / money trade-off in a two person tent
> actually meant for two people.
> Light weight for the money
> 2 large vestibules make this tent very practical for two large
> Great ventilation - no condensation
> Easy Setup
> Hard to snap vestibule closed from insdie tent
>Wow, that was a lot. You will hopefully note that there were really
> Could lose weight without adding cost
> Bad design of small rods holding open vent flaps
only three types of edits, though - typo, projection and conversion.
So it's really not that much, it just gets amplified because tents
make for long reviews.
There are two more things, though, which I would like you to try:
1) get an HTML version of the edited draft into our test folder on
the backpackgeartest.org site
2) include a picture (taken off the manufacturer's site if you want,
as long as it's properly attributed) in that HTML version.
The former is actually mandatory - you need to figure out how to
create an HTML version in order for this to be uploaded. If you have
trouble with that, our friendly folks at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BGTFileUploadHelp/ are always willing
to help - or you can request a mentor at Mentor@...,
who may be able to help with all kinds of questions.
The pictures is optional for a first OR, but very strongly
recommended for the second one at least (pictures are required for
the actual test series, so we like to have that aspect covered early).
if you want to go forward with this version, please post an edited
version to this list again, replacing my "EDIT:" in the heading above
with "REPOST:", and - if at all possible - include a shortlink
(tinyurl or snipurl) to an uploaded HTML version in the test folder.
Also, feel free to shoot me a question directly, rather than via the
Please understand that this is a pretty solid first draft - this may
still seem a little overwhelming (I know I was personally a bit
discouraged when I received my first OR Edit about four years ago),
but it's affirmatively doable and worth the effort.
Again, welcome - I'm looking foward to your second draft.