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Re: EDIT: Merrell Mesa II Ventilator Mid Hiking Boots - Kara Stanley

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  • Roger Caffin
    Hi Kara My apologies that this has taken so long to be picked up. I was away in the mountains for a while ... I will get back to you here with the edit
    Message 1 of 4 , Apr 2, 2008
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      Hi Kara

      My apologies that this has taken so long to be picked up. I was away in the
      mountains for a while ... I will get back to you here with the edit tomorrow
      I hope.

      In the meantime, my only comment is to ask whather you are able to include a
      picture in this OR. While a pic in your first OR is not mandatory, pics will
      be mandatory hereafter.

      Roger Caffin
      BGT Editor
    • rcaffin
      EDIT: Merrell Mesa II Ventilator Mid Hiking Boots - Kara Stanley Hi Kara Welcome to BGT. This is a good start. I have some small edits for you to fix, and
      Message 2 of 4 , Apr 2, 2008
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        EDIT: Merrell Mesa II Ventilator Mid Hiking Boots - Kara Stanley

        Hi Kara

        Welcome to BGT. This is a good start. I have some small edits for you
        to fix, and these are listed below. Please do not be offended by the
        terse manner used in spelling out the edits: that's just how I find it
        easiest to list them.

        When you have fixed these matters please REPOST the plain text of your
        OR here on this channel.
        At the same time would you please put the new HTML version in the
        Tests / Owner Reviews folder on BGT. Please include the URL for the
        HTML file in the Test folder with your first posting and all
        subsequent ones to make my life easier. It is now a requirement that
        we check the HTML version for various things like a clickable
        manufacturer's URL and some details of the layout before giving
        approval, and it is also a requirement that you provide the URL to
        help us Editors find your file. We are often editing several ORs at a
        time and are easily confused ...

        All Test Reports require photos of the gear. While we do not insist on
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        encourage you to do so. Your second Owner Review will require the
        inclusion of photos anyhow. As I am sure you will know, pictures
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        'ALT' tags, let me know. The problem is well-known and easily fixed.

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        Edit: you should seriously consider fixing this in some way,
        Comment: usually just that, although you might want to make a change
        as a result.
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        In some cases when editing the plain text of a review I find problems
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        Writer is a better option.

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        Roger Caffin
        BGT OR Editor
        Comment: personally, I am not thrilled by the use of a pale blue font.
        In my eyes the colour makes it harder to read. However, This is
        probably a 'style' issue, and you are free to leave it as it is if you

        > Backpacking Background:
        EDIT: short, but you do not say here whether you do only day walks or
        over-nighters. This should be included here.

        > MSRP: $80 (REI list price no price listed on web-site)
        EDIT: delete this line. The REI price is NOT MSRP. Only use a price
        from the manufacturer web site, or put n/a if not given.

        > Product description
        EDIT: we do want to have a text-based description of the shoes in your
        own words, preferably supplemented with a photo. otherwise I have no
        real idea of what these shoes *look* like.

        > Since then I have worn them on everything from rocks to
        > pavement to gravel trails. And hiked over 170 miles in them to date.
        EDIT: make into one sentence.

        > costing only $59.99 +tax on sale at REI
        EDIT: delete - that price is not relevant to someone who was not at
        that sale.

        > often turned my ankles on loose rocks, once I started wearing the boots
        EDIT: break into two sentences.

        > the number of times I twist my ankles while has been reduced by
        EDIT: missing word (hiking?)

        > result of wearing seamed-socked while walking
        EDIT: 'seam-socked' ???

        > I would not recommend them to cold weather or cool
        Edit: for cold weather

        > These boots where great on my four-days hikes carrying
        EDIT: were great
        EDIT: four-day hikes

        > bout 40lbs, my friend had horrid heavy
        EDIT: two sentences

        > Not warm enough for winter hikes if your cold-footed like me
        EDIT: avoid the 'your' bit: our 'no projection' rule.
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