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EDIT: Greatland Backpacking Dome Tent - Erich Roetz

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  • Roger Caffin
    EDIT: Greatland Backpacking Dome Tent - Erich Roetz Hi Eric Welcome to BGT. This is quite a good start. I have some small edits for you to fix, and these are
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      EDIT: Greatland Backpacking Dome Tent - Erich Roetz

      Hi Eric

      Welcome to BGT.
      This is quite a good start. I have some small edits for you to fix, and
      these are listed below. Please do not be offended by the terse manner used
      in spelling out the edits: that's just how I find it easiest to list them.

      In general terms I would say this OR is a shade short for such an large
      item - although at $30 it it is hardly expensive! If it was a more expensive
      tent (or any other 'backpacking' item) I would ask you to provide a lot more
      details about how it went in different weather. Please bear these comments
      in mind for the future.

      When you have fixed these matters please REPOST the plain text of your OR
      here on this channel.
      At the same time would you please put the new HTML version in the Tests /
      Owner Reviews folder on BGT.

      All Test Reports require photos of the gear, so we have moved to requiring
      them in the Owner Reviews as well these days. As I am sure you will know,
      pictures convey so much more information when used in conjunction with the
      text. If you have trouble with the pictures, and especially with the 'ALT'
      tags, let me know. The problem is well-known and easily fixed. If you have a
      photo of the tent in use that you could add to the OR, that would be very

      ******* When you post the plain text here please include the URL for the
      HTML file in the Test folder to make my life easier. It is now a requirement
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      Roger Caffin
      BGT OR Editor
      > Bio
      Comment: neatly done.

      > Manufacturer: Greatland
      > Manufacturer's Website: www.target.com
      Comment: but how would we know who really made it? Someone in China I
      imagine, at that price. In this case it is OK as is. Obviously, the MSRP is
      for Target as well.

      > Listed Weight: 8.5 lbs (3.9 kg)
      EDIT: lb without the 's' - everywhere.

      > IMAGE CAPTION = "Picture court esy of Target.com"
      EDIT: remove space in 'court esy'

      > Description: Two person backpacking tent. 9'Lx7'Wx48"H at center
      > (2.7m L x 2.1m W x 1.2m H.
      EDIT: you have the metric right, but need spaces in the imperial dimensions:
      9' L x 7' W x 48" H

      > The door has a zip up window
      EDIT: zip-up

      > An inverted U-shaped window with double zipper is opposite door.
      Comment: rather abbreviated English - OK here, but not in the main text

      > MSRP: $27.99
      Edit: repeated from above - consider removing.

      > have been to Moorefield, VA, Goochland, VA, Ft. Story, VA,
      EDIT: we have non-Americans in BGT, who may not know what 'VA' means. Please
      expand at least once.

      > I have seen that some tents with these hooks are reinforced to
      > the support poles.
      EDIT: a little obscure. Perhaps something like:
      ' I have seen that some tents with these hooks have them anchored to
      the support poles.'

      > 22 MPH (36 KM/HR) of wind with no leakage.
      EDIT: 22 mph (36 kph) is better

      > By removing the fly, was able to keep cool in the 80 deg F (44 deg C)
      > nights.
      EDIT: two fixes:
      ' By removing the fly, I was able to keep cool in the 80 F (44 C) nights.

      > and I was negligent in doing it earlier.
      Edit: it would read better if you wrote something like:
      ' and I had been negligent in not doing it earlier.'

      > The stakes included are standard steel stakes, but are a little flimsy
      Edit: I would write '... but they are a little flimsy...'

      > Summary: A little heavy for a true backpacking tent,
      Edit: delete 'summarey' here: it is in the line above.

      > but it would a comfortable weight if split up between two people.
      EDIT: 'but it would be a comfortable ...'

      > As the flooring is a bit thin, it does require a ground tarp.
      Edit: this is just verging on the projection. I recommend you write
      something like:
      'I think it does require ' as this tells the reader what YOU think.

      > Inexpensive
      Comment: And how!
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