Thank you R Lyon - Re: OWNER REVIEW - Icebreaker Skin 200 Leggings with Fly
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- Hello Richard,
A good piece of work, as usual. I use merino wool long johns myself in
winter, and find them excellent. Sadly, I have issues with merino
shirts which, much as I like the feel and comparative lack of odor
accumulation, seem to wear and snag badly, especially in the lighter
weights. All mine (and I have quite a few) have patches. Very annoying.
for the corrected OR.
>### EDIT: I'd prefer if you omit "Ibex and Filson." This is not quite
> The first of several ORs on my search for merino wool base layer
> garments. HTML is posted in Tests/OR folder at
> ICEBREAKER MEN'S SKIN 200 LEGGINGS WITH FLY
> Owner Review by Richard Lyon
> April 29, 2007
> Personal Details and Backpacking Background.
> Male, 60 years old
> Height: 6' 4" (1.93 m)
> Weight: 200 lb (91 kg)
> Email address: rlyon AT gibsondunn DOT com
> Home: Dallas, Texas USA
> I've been backpacking for 45 years on and off, and regularly in the
> Rockies since 1986. I do a week long trip every summer, and often
> take three-day trips. I'm usually camping in alpine terrain, at
> altitudes of 5000 to 13000 ft (1500 - 4000 m). I prefer base camp
> backpacking, a long hike in with day trips from camp, but I do my
> share of forced marches too. Though always looking for ways to
> reduce weight, I'm not yet a lightweight hiker and I usually choose
> a bit more weight over foregoing my favorite camp conveniences.
> Additional Reviewer Information. I've always favored natural fibers
> over synthetics for outerwear (and everyday wardrobe too, for that
> matter) unless I could identify a particular functionality in a man-
> made fiber that I couldn't get with wool, cotton, or linen. That
> meant that until the last few years many of my outdoor base layer
> shirts and leggings came from one or two suppliers. Now that pure
> wool, particularly merino wool, garments that are intended for
> backcountry activities have become more popular and far easier to
> find, I'm always looking for new sources. This past fall I
> continued my search for wool base layer clothing in a highly
> scientific manner I'd buy a top or pair of leggings from a
> manufacturer new to me whenever I found a garment I liked at a
> significant savings over my current principal suppliers, Ibex and
a "shoot-out" style use of manufacturer names, but I am none the less
uncomfortable with it.
One such purchase was two pairs of Icebreaker Leggings with
> Fly from an online outfitter during a sale.### COMMENT: "centre" is fine by me, but do they actually use that
> PRODUCT DETAILS. Icebreaker Men's SKIN 200 Leggings with Fly are a
> base layer (Icebreaker uses the term "skin layer") made from 100%
> merino wool. The "200" refers to fabric weight in grams per square
> meter. Instead of a single seam running down the middle of the seat
> the Leggings have a trapezoidal-shaped back panel that is sewn to a
> rectangular panel about two inches (5 cm) above the bottom. This
> rectangular panel goes under the crotch and is sewn in front to the
> bottom of the fly, about two inches (5 cm) up from the bottom. All
> seems are sewn flat. The Leggings have plain bottoms, with no
> elastic at the cuff.
> Manufacturer: Icebreaker Nature Clothing, Ketchum, Idaho USA
> Manufacturer's description of features: "Flat sewn side seams; Soft
> elastic waistband; Gusseted crotch; No centre
spelling? Just curious.
> Website: www.icebreaker.com (All quotations in this Review and the### EDIT: If there is a MSRP, please put it here; if (as I suspect)
> photo at left come from this website.)
> Size: XL; available in sizes S through XXL.
> Color: Black
> Fabric: "100 % merino wool." (I don't know if this is intended to
> exclude the elastic in the waistband.)
> Weight (measured, none listed): 7.6 oz / 215 g
> Warranty: None listed. Icebreaker will accept returns for products
> ordered online if returned, unworn and unwashed, in original
> packaging within thirty days after order.
not, please state n/a
> FIELD CONDITIONS. I wore the Icebreakers as base layer for my lower### EDIT bottoms
> body each day I spent in the Rockies from December through March
> twenty days of in-bounds skiing or backcountry ski touring.
> Temperatures ranged from -30 F (-34 C) at night in January to a mid-
> afternoon springtime high of 65 F (18 C), all in the Teton Range of
> the Rockies in Wyoming. Daytime temperatures were about 15 F (-9
> C), in Alta and environs, Utah, and Nelson, British Columbia, in
> December and February, respectively. In these latter venues snow
> flurries and stiff winds generated a "wind chill" considerably more
> frigid than the ambient temperature. (Wind chill is a misery index
> reported by various meteorological services in the United States and
> Canada. It is a rough calculation of the temperature equivalent on
> exposed skin at a specific temperature and wind speed.)
> I never wore an intermediate layer between the Leggings and my outer
> shell. On seven days in-bounds and two in the backcountry (one of
> them very cold, ~-15 F/-26 C) days I wore unlined eVENT bibs; on the
> other days I wore a one-piece Gore-Tex ski suit with a Thinsulate
> lining. Twice it was cold enough after skiing to wear the Leggings
> (a clean pair) under jeans around town, and one night in a
> backcountry yurt in the Tetons I wore fleece sweatpants over the
> Leggings when going out for firewood or bathroom breaks. I washed
> the Leggings at the end of each trip, meaning that at most a pair
> had no more than three days of use between washings.
> EVALUATION. The bottom line (pun intended) is that the Icebreaker
> Leggings with Fly are as good a pair of tights, long john bottoms,
> lower body base layer, backcountry underwear (pick your term) as
> I've ever worn. Here's why.
> For me at least the Leggings have a near-perfect fit. Icebreaker
> has a useful chart on its website to assist a buyer in selecting the
> correct size of its products. Rather than giving the garment
> dimensions Icebreaker provides "ideal" user waist, seat, and outside
> leg measurements for each available size, and instructs: "In
> instances when your body measurements for Seat, Waist and Outside
> Leg are in different suggested sizes, we recommend going with the
> size from your Seat measurement." I used this chart to come up with
> size XL, and that size gives a fit that's tight without being
> constraining and that does not cause bunching up when stretching my
> legs - in short, thoroughly comfortable. I'd prefer another inch or
> so (2-3 cm) of length, but as I have unusually long legs for my
> waist size I don't consider this a fault. The Leggings' waist
> matches my own.
> Icebreaker's merino has a very soft hand, much gentler than
> synthetics, and never itchy even when wet. Whether it's the
> particular cut, with no seams along the bottom of the crotch or the
> middle of the seat, or just a lucky fit, I've encountered almost no
> bunching or other significant movement even after stretching or
> skiing. It's also nice not to have a seam chafing a particular body
> orifice. As I always wear mid-calf length socks when outdoors in
> the winter and tuck the bottomss
of my base layer inside the socks,
> lack of elastic at the cuff hasn't bothered me.
Thanks for the edits and my apologies for missing the MSRP (yes
there is one and I actually cite it as an advantage). "Centre" is a
quote. Icebreaker uses Imperial spelling all over its website; I
believe that a New Zealander stated the company. All edits made and
revised OR uploaded.
I'm slightly surprised at your experience with merino tops, as I
favor them in no small part for their durability. Without intending
to start a shootout I suggest you try an Ibex Q-Tee or Outback, or
an MEC Crew (my next OR). All have very flat weaves and have held up
really well. Regards, Richard
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> Hello Richard,
> A good piece of work, as usual. I use merino wool long johns
> winter, and find them excellent. Sadly, I have issues with merinolighter
> shirts which, much as I like the feel and comparative lack of odor
> accumulation, seem to wear and snag badly, especially in the
> weights. All mine (and I have quite a few) have patches. Veryannoying.