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  • mtv8dmarine
    REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men s BY SCOTT GAGE OR March 21, 2007 TESTER INFORMATION NAME: Scott Gage EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@gmail.com AGE: 28 LOCATION:
    Message 1 of 17 , Mar 21, 2007
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      REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
      BY SCOTT GAGE
      OR
      March 21, 2007

      TESTER INFORMATION

      NAME: Scott Gage
      EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@...
      AGE: 28
      LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
      GENDER: M
      HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
      WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)

      Name: Scott Gage
      Age: 28
      Gender: Male
      Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
      Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
      Email address: mtv8dmarine@...
      City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
      Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
      2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
      when I was in the Marines.

      Product Information

      Manufacturer: REI
      Year of Manufacture: 2006
      Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
      MSRP: $119.00
      Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
      Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)


      Description

      REI describes these boots with the following:

      Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
      waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.

      * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore™ nylon
      panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
      * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex® drop linings keep feet completely
      dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
      * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
      relieves lace pressure
      * Full-length Air Cushion® EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
      supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
      * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
      and exit
      * Vibram® Chisel™ rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
      for extra bite
      * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell


      Field Information

      I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
      to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
      at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
      I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
      give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.

      Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
      primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
      equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
      (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
      an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
      in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
      water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation. I was
      able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
      placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
      note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.

      These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex lining. The
      soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
      retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
      and know that it's PLANTED.

      So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
      trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
      feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
      to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
      that were in the boots when I purchased them.

      The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
      20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
      feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
      if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
      and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
      front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
      do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.



      Thing I Like

      1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
      hikes.
      2. Break in was very fast.
      3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
      4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
      feet stationary inside.
      5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
      6. Soles can be replaced.

      Things I Don't Like

      1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
      recommend replacing them.

      Biographical Information

      Name: Scott Gage
      Age: 28
      Gender: Male
      Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
      Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
      Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
      Location: Claremont, CA, USA



      This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
      Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
    • chcoa
      PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL IN FULL. IT IS MOST IMPORTANT! Thanks for your Owner s Review. It has been added to the Owner Review Queue and will be picked up by an
      Message 2 of 17 , Mar 26, 2007
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        PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL IN FULL. IT IS MOST IMPORTANT!

        Thanks for your Owner's Review. It has been added to the Owner
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      • edwardripleyduggan
        Hello Scott, I ve looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both regarding the
        Message 3 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
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          Hello Scott,

          I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
          have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
          regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
          the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot reviews
          (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
          Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
          Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
          to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
          by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.

          You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
          and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
          Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance from our
          mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@...). FWIW, I think the
          mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
          you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
          enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.

          Best,

          Ted

          BGT OR Editor

          --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
          <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
          >
          > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
          > BY SCOTT GAGE
          > OR

          ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]

          > March 21, 2007
          >
          > TESTER INFORMATION
          >
          > NAME: Scott Gage
          > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@...
          > AGE: 28
          > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
          > GENDER: M
          > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
          > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)

          ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
          >
          > Name: Scott Gage
          > Age: 28
          > Gender: Male
          > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
          > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
          > Email address: mtv8dmarine@...
          > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA

          ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.

          > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
          > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
          > when I was in the Marines.

          ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
          your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
          kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
          weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
          overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?


          >
          > Product Information
          >
          > Manufacturer: REI
          > Year of Manufacture: 2006
          > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
          > MSRP: $119.00

          ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US

          > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)

          ### EDIT: no period after oz


          > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)

          ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
          Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.

          ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot


          >
          >
          > Description
          >
          > REI describes these boots with the following:
          >
          > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
          > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
          >
          > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore™ nylon
          > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
          > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex® drop linings keep feet completely
          > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
          > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
          > relieves lace pressure
          > * Full-length Air Cushion® EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
          > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
          > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
          > and exit
          > * Vibram® Chisel™ rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
          > for extra bite
          > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell

          ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
          of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
          mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
          be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
          surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.


          >
          >
          > Field Information
          >
          > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
          > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
          > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
          > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
          > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
          >
          > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
          > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
          > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
          > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
          > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
          > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
          > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.

          ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
          question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
          Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
          sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
          manufacturer's claims in any detail.

          In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
          (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.

          Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
          helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
          arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
          learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
          your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
          widths, this too should be mentioned.

          I was
          > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
          > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
          > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
          >
          > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex

          ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
          latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).


          lining. The
          > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
          > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
          > and know that it's PLANTED.
          >
          > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
          > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
          > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
          > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
          > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
          >
          > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
          > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
          > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
          > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
          > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
          > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
          > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
          >
          >
          >
          > Thing I Like
          >
          > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
          > hikes.
          > 2. Break in was very fast.
          > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
          > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
          > feet stationary inside.
          > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
          > 6. Soles can be replaced.
          >
          > Things I Don't Like
          >
          > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
          > recommend replacing them.
          >
          > Biographical Information
          >
          > Name: Scott Gage
          > Age: 28
          > Gender: Male
          > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
          > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
          > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
          > Location: Claremont, CA, USA

          ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
          correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
          where the first iteration of this information is now.

          >
          >
          >
          > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
          > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
          >
        • mtv8dmarine
          Hi Ted, Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the review. Two things I wanted to bring up. 1. I do not have a scale capable of
          Message 4 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
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            Hi Ted,

            Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the
            review.

            Two things I wanted to bring up.

            1. I do not have a scale capable of weighing ounces. I have a
            traditional scale only so I cannot provide you an accurate "true"
            weight. If this specification is absolutely mandatory than I guess I
            will not waste time in editing the Owner Review as it would be futile.

            2. Can you explain to me why I need to specify the boot cost in US
            dollars? I live in the U.S. and the implied currency type is fairly
            obvious I believe. If I stated in my bio. that I travel and backpack
            outside the country that would be a different story.

            I respect your editing remarks, some things seem a little nitpicky
            with the details.

            I will rework my review and repost it but again, if the physical
            weight requirement is mandatory then I suppose my review is useless
            over one little detail.

            Sincerely,

            Scott Gage

            --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
            <erd@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hello Scott,
            >
            > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
            > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
            > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
            > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot reviews
            > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
            > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
            > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
            > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
            > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
            >
            > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
            > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
            > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance from our
            > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@...). FWIW, I think the
            > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
            > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
            > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
            >
            > Best,
            >
            > Ted
            >
            > BGT OR Editor
            >
            > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
            > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
            > >
            > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
            > > BY SCOTT GAGE
            > > OR
            >
            > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
            >
            > > March 21, 2007
            > >
            > > TESTER INFORMATION
            > >
            > > NAME: Scott Gage
            > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
            > > AGE: 28
            > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
            > > GENDER: M
            > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
            > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
            >
            > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
            > >
            > > Name: Scott Gage
            > > Age: 28
            > > Gender: Male
            > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
            > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
            > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
            > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
            >
            > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
            >
            > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
            > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
            > > when I was in the Marines.
            >
            > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
            > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
            > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
            > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
            > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
            >
            >
            > >
            > > Product Information
            > >
            > > Manufacturer: REI
            > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
            > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
            > > MSRP: $119.00
            >
            > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
            >
            > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
            >
            > ### EDIT: no period after oz
            >
            >
            > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
            >
            > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
            > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
            >
            > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
            >
            >
            > >
            > >
            > > Description
            > >
            > > REI describes these boots with the following:
            > >
            > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
            > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
            > >
            > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore� nylon
            > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
            > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet completely
            > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
            > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
            > > relieves lace pressure
            > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
            > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
            > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
            > > and exit
            > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
            > > for extra bite
            > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
            >
            > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
            > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
            > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
            > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
            > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
            >
            >
            > >
            > >
            > > Field Information
            > >
            > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
            > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
            > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
            > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
            > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
            > >
            > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
            > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
            > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
            > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
            > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
            > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
            > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
            >
            > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
            > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
            > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
            > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
            > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
            >
            > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
            > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
            >
            > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
            > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
            > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
            > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
            > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
            > widths, this too should be mentioned.
            >
            > I was
            > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
            > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
            > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
            > >
            > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
            >
            > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
            > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
            >
            >
            > lining. The
            > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
            > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
            > > and know that it's PLANTED.
            > >
            > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
            > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
            > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
            > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
            > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
            > >
            > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
            > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
            > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
            > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
            > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
            > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
            > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Thing I Like
            > >
            > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
            > > hikes.
            > > 2. Break in was very fast.
            > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
            > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
            > > feet stationary inside.
            > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
            > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
            > >
            > > Things I Don't Like
            > >
            > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
            > > recommend replacing them.
            > >
            > > Biographical Information
            > >
            > > Name: Scott Gage
            > > Age: 28
            > > Gender: Male
            > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
            > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
            > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
            > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
            >
            > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
            > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
            > where the first iteration of this information is now.
            >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
            > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
            > >
            >
          • Jason Boyle
            Hello Scott, I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email weighing an item is a requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing,
            Message 5 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
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              Hello Scott,

              I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email weighing an item is a
              requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing, manufacturer's stated weight
              has a tendency to be off and we either confirm their weight or provide an actual weight.
              You have several options, you can go to your local post office and ask them to wiegh your
              gear or you can purchase a kitchen scale at your local mega store. As a prior marine, I
              would think your attention to detail would allow you to be able to accomplish this task
              easily. With regards to price and all the metric conversion, we have an international
              audience and we want to make the site as user friendly as possible for all readers. It
              wouldn't hurt to put US. These are minor in comparision to Ted's other edits for you. The
              other edits just require some time. It was difficult for me to initially analize a piece of gear
              critically, but as I worked through my OR's and testing it has become much easier.

              We allow a lot of latitude with regards to everyones individual writing style, but we also
              have standards of certain information that is required in every report and every person
              who wants to become a tester has to abide by them. We are all on an even ground. I think
              you have potential to be a good tester and hope you stick with it.

              Jason B
              Veteran tester



              --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine" <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi Ted,
              >
              > Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the
              > review.
              >
              > Two things I wanted to bring up.
              >
              > 1. I do not have a scale capable of weighing ounces. I have a
              > traditional scale only so I cannot provide you an accurate "true"
              > weight. If this specification is absolutely mandatory than I guess I
              > will not waste time in editing the Owner Review as it would be futile.
              >
              > 2. Can you explain to me why I need to specify the boot cost in US
              > dollars? I live in the U.S. and the implied currency type is fairly
              > obvious I believe. If I stated in my bio. that I travel and backpack
              > outside the country that would be a different story.
              >
              > I respect your editing remarks, some things seem a little nitpicky
              > with the details.
              >
              > I will rework my review and repost it but again, if the physical
              > weight requirement is mandatory then I suppose my review is useless
              > over one little detail.
              >
              > Sincerely,
              >
              > Scott Gage
              >
              > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
              > <erd@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Hello Scott,
              > >
              > > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
              > > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
              > > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
              > > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot reviews
              > > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
              > > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
              > > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
              > > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
              > > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
              > >
              > > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
              > > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
              > > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance from our
              > > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@). FWIW, I think the
              > > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
              > > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
              > > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
              > >
              > > Best,
              > >
              > > Ted
              > >
              > > BGT OR Editor
              > >
              > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
              > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
              > > > BY SCOTT GAGE
              > > > OR
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
              > >
              > > > March 21, 2007
              > > >
              > > > TESTER INFORMATION
              > > >
              > > > NAME: Scott Gage
              > > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
              > > > AGE: 28
              > > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
              > > > GENDER: M
              > > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
              > > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
              > > >
              > > > Name: Scott Gage
              > > > Age: 28
              > > > Gender: Male
              > > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
              > > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
              > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
              > > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
              > >
              > > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
              > > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
              > > > when I was in the Marines.
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
              > > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
              > > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
              > > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
              > > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
              > >
              > >
              > > >
              > > > Product Information
              > > >
              > > > Manufacturer: REI
              > > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
              > > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
              > > > MSRP: $119.00
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
              > >
              > > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: no period after oz
              > >
              > >
              > > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
              > > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
              > >
              > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Description
              > > >
              > > > REI describes these boots with the following:
              > > >
              > > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
              > > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
              > > >
              > > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore� nylon
              > > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
              > > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet completely
              > > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
              > > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
              > > > relieves lace pressure
              > > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
              > > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
              > > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
              > > > and exit
              > > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
              > > > for extra bite
              > > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
              > > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
              > > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
              > > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
              > > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
              > >
              > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Field Information
              > > >
              > > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
              > > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
              > > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
              > > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
              > > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
              > > >
              > > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
              > > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
              > > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
              > > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
              > > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
              > > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
              > > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
              > > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
              > > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
              > > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
              > > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
              > >
              > > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
              > > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
              > >
              > > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
              > > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
              > > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
              > > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
              > > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
              > > widths, this too should be mentioned.
              > >
              > > I was
              > > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
              > > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
              > > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
              > > >
              > > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
              > > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
              > >
              > >
              > > lining. The
              > > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
              > > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
              > > > and know that it's PLANTED.
              > > >
              > > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
              > > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
              > > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
              > > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
              > > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
              > > >
              > > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
              > > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
              > > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
              > > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
              > > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
              > > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
              > > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Thing I Like
              > > >
              > > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
              > > > hikes.
              > > > 2. Break in was very fast.
              > > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
              > > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
              > > > feet stationary inside.
              > > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
              > > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
              > > >
              > > > Things I Don't Like
              > > >
              > > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
              > > > recommend replacing them.
              > > >
              > > > Biographical Information
              > > >
              > > > Name: Scott Gage
              > > > Age: 28
              > > > Gender: Male
              > > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
              > > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
              > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
              > > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
              > >
              > > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
              > > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
              > > where the first iteration of this information is now.
              > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
              > > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
              > > >
              > >
              >
            • Jason Boyle
              Hello Scott, I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email weighing an item is a requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing,
              Message 6 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
              • 0 Attachment
                Hello Scott,

                I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email weighing an item is a
                requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing, manufacturer's stated weight
                has a tendency to be off and we either confirm their weight or provide an actual weight.
                You have several options, you can go to your local post office and ask them to wiegh your
                gear or you can purchase a kitchen scale at your local mega store. As a prior marine, I
                would think your attention to detail would allow you to be able to accomplish this task
                easily. With regards to price and all the metric conversion, we have an international
                audience and we want to make the site as user friendly as possible for all readers. It
                wouldn't hurt to put US. These are minor in comparision to Ted's other edits for you. The
                other edits just require some time. It was difficult for me to initially analize a piece of gear
                critically, but as I worked through my OR's and testing it has become much easier.

                We allow a lot of latitude with regards to everyones individual writing style, but we also
                have standards of certain information that is required in every report and every person
                who wants to become a tester has to abide by them. We are all on an even ground. I think
                you have potential to be a good tester and hope you stick with it.

                Jason B
                Veteran tester



                --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine" <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi Ted,
                >
                > Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the
                > review.
                >
                > Two things I wanted to bring up.
                >
                > 1. I do not have a scale capable of weighing ounces. I have a
                > traditional scale only so I cannot provide you an accurate "true"
                > weight. If this specification is absolutely mandatory than I guess I
                > will not waste time in editing the Owner Review as it would be futile.
                >
                > 2. Can you explain to me why I need to specify the boot cost in US
                > dollars? I live in the U.S. and the implied currency type is fairly
                > obvious I believe. If I stated in my bio. that I travel and backpack
                > outside the country that would be a different story.
                >
                > I respect your editing remarks, some things seem a little nitpicky
                > with the details.
                >
                > I will rework my review and repost it but again, if the physical
                > weight requirement is mandatory then I suppose my review is useless
                > over one little detail.
                >
                > Sincerely,
                >
                > Scott Gage
                >
                > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
                > <erd@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Hello Scott,
                > >
                > > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
                > > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
                > > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
                > > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot reviews
                > > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
                > > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
                > > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
                > > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
                > > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
                > >
                > > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
                > > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
                > > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance from our
                > > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@). FWIW, I think the
                > > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
                > > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
                > > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
                > >
                > > Best,
                > >
                > > Ted
                > >
                > > BGT OR Editor
                > >
                > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                > > > BY SCOTT GAGE
                > > > OR
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
                > >
                > > > March 21, 2007
                > > >
                > > > TESTER INFORMATION
                > > >
                > > > NAME: Scott Gage
                > > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
                > > > AGE: 28
                > > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                > > > GENDER: M
                > > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                > > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
                > > >
                > > > Name: Scott Gage
                > > > Age: 28
                > > > Gender: Male
                > > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                > > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
                > > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
                > >
                > > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
                > > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
                > > > when I was in the Marines.
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
                > > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                > > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                > > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
                > > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
                > >
                > >
                > > >
                > > > Product Information
                > > >
                > > > Manufacturer: REI
                > > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                > > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                > > > MSRP: $119.00
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
                > >
                > > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: no period after oz
                > >
                > >
                > > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                > > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
                > >
                > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Description
                > > >
                > > > REI describes these boots with the following:
                > > >
                > > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                > > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
                > > >
                > > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore� nylon
                > > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                > > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet completely
                > > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                > > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                > > > relieves lace pressure
                > > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                > > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                > > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                > > > and exit
                > > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
                > > > for extra bite
                > > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
                > > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
                > > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
                > > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
                > > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                > >
                > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Field Information
                > > >
                > > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                > > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                > > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                > > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                > > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                > > >
                > > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                > > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                > > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                > > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                > > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                > > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                > > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
                > > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
                > > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
                > > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                > > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
                > >
                > > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
                > > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
                > >
                > > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
                > > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
                > > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
                > > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
                > > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                > > widths, this too should be mentioned.
                > >
                > > I was
                > > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                > > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                > > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
                > > >
                > > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
                > > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                > >
                > >
                > > lining. The
                > > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                > > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                > > > and know that it's PLANTED.
                > > >
                > > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
                > > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
                > > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
                > > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
                > > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                > > >
                > > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                > > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                > > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                > > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                > > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                > > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                > > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Thing I Like
                > > >
                > > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                > > > hikes.
                > > > 2. Break in was very fast.
                > > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                > > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                > > > feet stationary inside.
                > > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                > > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                > > >
                > > > Things I Don't Like
                > > >
                > > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                > > > recommend replacing them.
                > > >
                > > > Biographical Information
                > > >
                > > > Name: Scott Gage
                > > > Age: 28
                > > > Gender: Male
                > > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                > > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                > > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                > >
                > > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
                > > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
                > > where the first iteration of this information is now.
                > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
                > > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • mtv8dmarine
                Hi Ted, Here are some additional comments I have. All of my comments are surrounded with 3 asterisks on each side. -Scott ... ### EDIT: One decimal place is
                Message 7 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
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                  Hi Ted,

                  Here are some additional comments I have. All of my comments are
                  surrounded with 3 asterisks on each side.

                  -Scott

                  ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR] ***Ok I changed this***

                  > March 21, 2007
                  >
                  > TESTER INFORMATION
                  >
                  > NAME: Scott Gage
                  > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@...
                  > AGE: 28
                  > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                  > GENDER: M
                  > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                  > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)

                  ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
                  ***Ok I changed this***
                  >
                  > Name: Scott Gage
                  > Age: 28
                  > Gender: Male
                  > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                  > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                  > Email address: mtv8dmarine@...
                  > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA

                  ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section. ***I'll have
                  to play around with the report writer settings and see where the
                  problem is.***

                  > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
                  > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
                  > when I was in the Marines.

                  ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
                  your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                  kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                  weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
                  overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
                  ***This will be changed accordingly.***

                  >
                  > Product Information
                  >
                  > Manufacturer: REI
                  > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                  > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                  > MSRP: $119.00

                  ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US ***I live in the US, I would expect readers
                  to be observant enough to know I'm talking US dollars and not Aussie
                  currency etc.***

                  > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)

                  ### EDIT: no period after oz ***Gotcha***


                  > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)

                  ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                  Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                  ***I cannot provide this information as I have no way to measure
                  ounces. If the detail cannot be omitted, and the reader left to make
                  that judgment in the store himself/herself than I guess this review is
                  completely worthless?***
                  ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot ***Gotcha***


                  >
                  >
                  > Description
                  >
                  > REI describes these boots with the following:
                  >
                  > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                  > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
                  >
                  > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore� nylon
                  > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                  > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet completely
                  > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                  > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                  > relieves lace pressure
                  > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                  > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                  > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                  > and exit
                  > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
                  > for extra bite
                  > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell

                  ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
                  of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
                  mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
                  be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
                  surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                  ***My opinions will be inserted and this section revised.***

                  >
                  >
                  > Field Information
                  >
                  > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                  > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                  > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                  > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                  > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                  >
                  > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                  > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                  > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                  > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                  > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                  > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                  > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.

                  ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
                  question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
                  Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
                  sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                  manufacturer's claims in any detail. ***I said I just got back into
                  hiking, and wanted a good performing fairly inexpensive boot. I have
                  no expectations other than that.***

                  In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
                  (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc. ***Taken care of.***

                  Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
                  helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
                  arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
                  learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
                  your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                  widths, this too should be mentioned. ***I will provide foot details.
                  I'm unsure of the sizes for this boot. REI's website states
                  "Extended Sizes Available" although online, I cannot verify if the
                  boots fit any foot size other than normal. So I will not comment on
                  it since I cannot confirm or deny that these boots are made for wide
                  or narrow feet.***

                  I was
                  > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                  > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                  > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
                  >
                  > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex

                  ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
                  latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                  ***Understood***


                  lining. The
                  > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                  > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                  > and know that it's PLANTED.
                  >
                  > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
                  > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
                  > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
                  > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
                  > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                  >
                  > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                  > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                  > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                  > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                  > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                  > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                  > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Thing I Like
                  >
                  > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                  > hikes.
                  > 2. Break in was very fast.
                  > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                  > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                  > feet stationary inside.
                  > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                  > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                  >
                  > Things I Don't Like
                  >
                  > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                  > recommend replacing them.
                  >
                  > Biographical Information
                  >
                  > Name: Scott Gage
                  > Age: 28
                  > Gender: Male
                  > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                  > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                  > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                  > Location: Claremont, CA, USA

                  ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
                  correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
                  where the first iteration of this information is now.
                  ***I will see where all of this additional info is coming from within
                  the report writer.***
                • mtv8dmarine
                  Hello Jason, Thank you for chiming in and allowing me to understand the requirements of BGT a little better. While I have a huge attention to detail, I have
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                    Hello Jason,

                    Thank you for chiming in and allowing me to understand the
                    requirements of BGT a little better. While I have a huge attention to
                    detail, I have neither the time to go to the post office (I work full
                    time and attend college full time) nor do I really want to purchase a
                    scale just to authenticate a manufacturer's claims.

                    I understand you guys require it, but a potential consumer could just
                    as easily go to the store with a scale in hand and determine the weigh
                    of the boot for their actual foot size (which may be smaller or larger
                    than mine) and have a more accurate weight of the boot the are looking at.

                    Since I cannot meet your requirement please discard this review.

                    -Scott


                    --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Boyle" <c4jc88@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello Scott,
                    >
                    > I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email
                    weighing an item is a
                    > requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing,
                    manufacturer's stated weight
                    > has a tendency to be off and we either confirm their weight or
                    provide an actual weight.
                    > You have several options, you can go to your local post office and
                    ask them to wiegh your
                    > gear or you can purchase a kitchen scale at your local mega store.
                    As a prior marine, I
                    > would think your attention to detail would allow you to be able to
                    accomplish this task
                    > easily. With regards to price and all the metric conversion, we
                    have an international
                    > audience and we want to make the site as user friendly as possible
                    for all readers. It
                    > wouldn't hurt to put US. These are minor in comparision to Ted's
                    other edits for you. The
                    > other edits just require some time. It was difficult for me to
                    initially analize a piece of gear
                    > critically, but as I worked through my OR's and testing it has
                    become much easier.
                    >
                    > We allow a lot of latitude with regards to everyones individual
                    writing style, but we also
                    > have standards of certain information that is required in every
                    report and every person
                    > who wants to become a tester has to abide by them. We are all on an
                    even ground. I think
                    > you have potential to be a good tester and hope you stick with it.
                    >
                    > Jason B
                    > Veteran tester
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                    <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Hi Ted,
                    > >
                    > > Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the
                    > > review.
                    > >
                    > > Two things I wanted to bring up.
                    > >
                    > > 1. I do not have a scale capable of weighing ounces. I have a
                    > > traditional scale only so I cannot provide you an accurate "true"
                    > > weight. If this specification is absolutely mandatory than I guess I
                    > > will not waste time in editing the Owner Review as it would be futile.
                    > >
                    > > 2. Can you explain to me why I need to specify the boot cost in US
                    > > dollars? I live in the U.S. and the implied currency type is fairly
                    > > obvious I believe. If I stated in my bio. that I travel and backpack
                    > > outside the country that would be a different story.
                    > >
                    > > I respect your editing remarks, some things seem a little nitpicky
                    > > with the details.
                    > >
                    > > I will rework my review and repost it but again, if the physical
                    > > weight requirement is mandatory then I suppose my review is useless
                    > > over one little detail.
                    > >
                    > > Sincerely,
                    > >
                    > > Scott Gage
                    > >
                    > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
                    > > <erd@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Hello Scott,
                    > > >
                    > > > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
                    > > > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
                    > > > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
                    > > > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot
                    reviews
                    > > > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
                    > > > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
                    > > > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
                    > > > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
                    > > > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
                    > > >
                    > > > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
                    > > > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
                    > > > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance
                    from our
                    > > > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@). FWIW, I think the
                    > > > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
                    > > > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
                    > > > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
                    > > >
                    > > > Best,
                    > > >
                    > > > Ted
                    > > >
                    > > > BGT OR Editor
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                    > > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                    > > > > BY SCOTT GAGE
                    > > > > OR
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
                    > > >
                    > > > > March 21, 2007
                    > > > >
                    > > > > TESTER INFORMATION
                    > > > >
                    > > > > NAME: Scott Gage
                    > > > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
                    > > > > AGE: 28
                    > > > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                    > > > > GENDER: M
                    > > > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                    > > > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Name: Scott Gage
                    > > > > Age: 28
                    > > > > Gender: Male
                    > > > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                    > > > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                    > > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
                    > > > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
                    > > >
                    > > > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for
                    leisure until
                    > > > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
                    > > > > when I was in the Marines.
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add
                    something on
                    > > > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                    > > > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                    > > > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
                    > > > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Product Information
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Manufacturer: REI
                    > > > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                    > > > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                    > > > > MSRP: $119.00
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
                    > > >
                    > > > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: no period after oz
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                    > > > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Description
                    > > > >
                    > > > > REI describes these boots with the following:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                    > > > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true
                    value.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier
                    Ballisticore� nylon
                    > > > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                    > > > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet
                    completely
                    > > > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                    > > > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail
                    debris and
                    > > > > relieves lace pressure
                    > > > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                    > > > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                    > > > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops
                    aid entry
                    > > > > and exit
                    > > > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                    lugs
                    > > > > for extra bite
                    > > > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your
                    description
                    > > > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
                    > > > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this
                    case),
                    > > > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails,
                    meets, or
                    > > > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Field Information
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was
                    wanting
                    > > > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel
                    Trail
                    > > > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two
                    years.
                    > > > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                    > > > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                    > > > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation
                    gain/loss
                    > > > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                    > > > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This
                    trail is
                    > > > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have
                    hiked it
                    > > > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                    > > > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs
                    that
                    > > > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather
                    thin.
                    > > > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
                    > > > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                    > > > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
                    > > >
                    > > > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
                    > > > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
                    > > >
                    > > > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
                    > > > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow
                    foot. Good
                    > > > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is
                    going to
                    > > > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
                    > > > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                    > > > widths, this too should be mentioned.
                    > > >
                    > > > I was
                    > > > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                    > > > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                    > > > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not
                    that much.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
                    > > > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > lining. The
                    > > > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot
                    but I do
                    > > > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a
                    large rock
                    > > > > and know that it's PLANTED.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water
                    and some
                    > > > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
                    > > > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do
                    begin
                    > > > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
                    > > > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                    > > > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                    > > > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool
                    rag socks
                    > > > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer
                    hiking sock
                    > > > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks,
                    especially up
                    > > > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots.
                    My toes
                    > > > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thing I Like
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on
                    moderate
                    > > > > hikes.
                    > > > > 2. Break in was very fast.
                    > > > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                    > > > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                    > > > > feet stationary inside.
                    > > > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                    > > > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Things I Don't Like
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                    > > > > recommend replacing them.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Biographical Information
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Name: Scott Gage
                    > > > > Age: 28
                    > > > > Gender: Male
                    > > > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                    > > > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                    > > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                    > > > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                    > > >
                    > > > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
                    > > > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the
                    review,
                    > > > where the first iteration of this information is now.
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
                    > > > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • Jason Boyle
                    Sorry to hear that Scott. I think you are missing the forest for the trees. We don t just weigh boots we weigh every item that is tested. I wish you the
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                      Sorry to hear that Scott. I think you are missing the forest for the trees. We don't just
                      weigh boots we weigh every item that is tested. I wish you the best in your outdoor
                      endeavors.

                      Jason

                      --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine" <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hello Jason,
                      >
                      > Thank you for chiming in and allowing me to understand the
                      > requirements of BGT a little better. While I have a huge attention to
                      > detail, I have neither the time to go to the post office (I work full
                      > time and attend college full time) nor do I really want to purchase a
                      > scale just to authenticate a manufacturer's claims.
                      >
                      > I understand you guys require it, but a potential consumer could just
                      > as easily go to the store with a scale in hand and determine the weigh
                      > of the boot for their actual foot size (which may be smaller or larger
                      > than mine) and have a more accurate weight of the boot the are looking at.
                      >
                      > Since I cannot meet your requirement please discard this review.
                      >
                      > -Scott
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Boyle" <c4jc88@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Hello Scott,
                      > >
                      > > I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email
                      > weighing an item is a
                      > > requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing,
                      > manufacturer's stated weight
                      > > has a tendency to be off and we either confirm their weight or
                      > provide an actual weight.
                      > > You have several options, you can go to your local post office and
                      > ask them to wiegh your
                      > > gear or you can purchase a kitchen scale at your local mega store.
                      > As a prior marine, I
                      > > would think your attention to detail would allow you to be able to
                      > accomplish this task
                      > > easily. With regards to price and all the metric conversion, we
                      > have an international
                      > > audience and we want to make the site as user friendly as possible
                      > for all readers. It
                      > > wouldn't hurt to put US. These are minor in comparision to Ted's
                      > other edits for you. The
                      > > other edits just require some time. It was difficult for me to
                      > initially analize a piece of gear
                      > > critically, but as I worked through my OR's and testing it has
                      > become much easier.
                      > >
                      > > We allow a lot of latitude with regards to everyones individual
                      > writing style, but we also
                      > > have standards of certain information that is required in every
                      > report and every person
                      > > who wants to become a tester has to abide by them. We are all on an
                      > even ground. I think
                      > > you have potential to be a good tester and hope you stick with it.
                      > >
                      > > Jason B
                      > > Veteran tester
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                      > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Hi Ted,
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the
                      > > > review.
                      > > >
                      > > > Two things I wanted to bring up.
                      > > >
                      > > > 1. I do not have a scale capable of weighing ounces. I have a
                      > > > traditional scale only so I cannot provide you an accurate "true"
                      > > > weight. If this specification is absolutely mandatory than I guess I
                      > > > will not waste time in editing the Owner Review as it would be futile.
                      > > >
                      > > > 2. Can you explain to me why I need to specify the boot cost in US
                      > > > dollars? I live in the U.S. and the implied currency type is fairly
                      > > > obvious I believe. If I stated in my bio. that I travel and backpack
                      > > > outside the country that would be a different story.
                      > > >
                      > > > I respect your editing remarks, some things seem a little nitpicky
                      > > > with the details.
                      > > >
                      > > > I will rework my review and repost it but again, if the physical
                      > > > weight requirement is mandatory then I suppose my review is useless
                      > > > over one little detail.
                      > > >
                      > > > Sincerely,
                      > > >
                      > > > Scott Gage
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
                      > > > <erd@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hello Scott,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
                      > > > > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
                      > > > > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
                      > > > > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot
                      > reviews
                      > > > > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
                      > > > > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
                      > > > > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
                      > > > > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
                      > > > > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
                      > > > > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
                      > > > > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance
                      > from our
                      > > > > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@). FWIW, I think the
                      > > > > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
                      > > > > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
                      > > > > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Best,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Ted
                      > > > >
                      > > > > BGT OR Editor
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                      > > > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                      > > > > > BY SCOTT GAGE
                      > > > > > OR
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > March 21, 2007
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > TESTER INFORMATION
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > NAME: Scott Gage
                      > > > > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
                      > > > > > AGE: 28
                      > > > > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                      > > > > > GENDER: M
                      > > > > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                      > > > > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Name: Scott Gage
                      > > > > > Age: 28
                      > > > > > Gender: Male
                      > > > > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                      > > > > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                      > > > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
                      > > > > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for
                      > leisure until
                      > > > > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
                      > > > > > when I was in the Marines.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add
                      > something on
                      > > > > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                      > > > > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                      > > > > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
                      > > > > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Product Information
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Manufacturer: REI
                      > > > > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                      > > > > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                      > > > > > MSRP: $119.00
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: no period after oz
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                      > > > > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Description
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > REI describes these boots with the following:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                      > > > > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true
                      > value.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier
                      > Ballisticore� nylon
                      > > > > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                      > > > > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet
                      > completely
                      > > > > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                      > > > > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail
                      > debris and
                      > > > > > relieves lace pressure
                      > > > > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                      > > > > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                      > > > > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops
                      > aid entry
                      > > > > > and exit
                      > > > > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                      > lugs
                      > > > > > for extra bite
                      > > > > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your
                      > description
                      > > > > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
                      > > > > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this
                      > case),
                      > > > > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails,
                      > meets, or
                      > > > > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Field Information
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was
                      > wanting
                      > > > > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel
                      > Trail
                      > > > > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two
                      > years.
                      > > > > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                      > > > > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                      > > > > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation
                      > gain/loss
                      > > > > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                      > > > > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This
                      > trail is
                      > > > > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have
                      > hiked it
                      > > > > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                      > > > > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs
                      > that
                      > > > > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather
                      > thin.
                      > > > > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
                      > > > > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                      > > > > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
                      > > > > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
                      > > > > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow
                      > foot. Good
                      > > > > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is
                      > going to
                      > > > > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
                      > > > > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                      > > > > widths, this too should be mentioned.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I was
                      > > > > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                      > > > > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                      > > > > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not
                      > that much.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
                      > > > > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > lining. The
                      > > > > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot
                      > but I do
                      > > > > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a
                      > large rock
                      > > > > > and know that it's PLANTED.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water
                      > and some
                      > > > > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
                      > > > > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do
                      > begin
                      > > > > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
                      > > > > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                      > > > > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                      > > > > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool
                      > rag socks
                      > > > > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer
                      > hiking sock
                      > > > > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks,
                      > especially up
                      > > > > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots.
                      > My toes
                      > > > > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thing I Like
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on
                      > moderate
                      > > > > > hikes.
                      > > > > > 2. Break in was very fast.
                      > > > > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                      > > > > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                      > > > > > feet stationary inside.
                      > > > > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                      > > > > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Things I Don't Like
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                      > > > > > recommend replacing them.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Biographical Information
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Name: Scott Gage
                      > > > > > Age: 28
                      > > > > > Gender: Male
                      > > > > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                      > > > > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                      > > > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                      > > > > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
                      > > > > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the
                      > review,
                      > > > > where the first iteration of this information is now.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
                      > > > > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • rayestrella1
                      ... Do you buy groceries when you are not working or in school? Bring one boot in with you in a produce bag. Ask the cute cashier that helps you if she would
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                        --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"

                        > Since I cannot meet your requirement please discard this review.

                        Do you buy groceries when you are not working or in school? Bring one
                        boot in with you in a produce bag. Ask the cute cashier that helps you
                        if she would throw it on the scale for you. Tell her a bunch of edit-
                        nazis made you do it. Then after you have a few hundred bucks worth of
                        free gear (or more) down the road you can justify spending twenty on a
                        scale.

                        Ray
                      • edwardripleyduggan
                        Hi Scott, I m sorry that you have decided not to go ahead, but I genuinely appreciate your courtesy in letting us know. Many don t. I do understand that
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                          Hi Scott,

                          I'm sorry that you have decided not to go ahead, but I genuinely
                          appreciate your courtesy in letting us know. Many don't. I do
                          understand that weighing items can be a nuisance, but item weights are
                          a requirement, for all the reasons that Jason explained and more. My
                          thanks to you, in any case.

                          Best,

                          Ted.


                          --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                          <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hello Jason,
                          >
                          > Thank you for chiming in and allowing me to understand the
                          > requirements of BGT a little better. While I have a huge attention to
                          > detail, I have neither the time to go to the post office (I work full
                          > time and attend college full time) nor do I really want to purchase a
                          > scale just to authenticate a manufacturer's claims.
                          >
                          > I understand you guys require it, but a potential consumer could just
                          > as easily go to the store with a scale in hand and determine the weigh
                          > of the boot for their actual foot size (which may be smaller or larger
                          > than mine) and have a more accurate weight of the boot the are
                          looking at.
                          >
                          > Since I cannot meet your requirement please discard this review.
                          >
                          > -Scott
                          >
                        • mtv8dmarine
                          Ya know...sometimes you have to disengage your brain from it s current activity before you think of something useful. =) I was in the shower and it hit me
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                            Ya know...sometimes you have to disengage your brain from it's current
                            activity before you think of something useful. =) I was in the shower
                            and it hit me like a ton of bricks...the shipping dept. as my place of
                            employment has a scale they use as a small parts counter.

                            DUH! lol

                            I'm a smart cookie, but I guess there are parts of me that still says
                            I'm a Marine! lol

                            Ok, I'll edit my review tonight and post it for editing pending weight
                            results next week. How does that sound?

                            -Scott

                            --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Boyle" <c4jc88@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Sorry to hear that Scott. I think you are missing the forest for
                            the trees. We don't just
                            > weigh boots we weigh every item that is tested. I wish you the best
                            in your outdoor
                            > endeavors.
                            >
                            > Jason
                            >
                            > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                            <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Hello Jason,
                            > >
                            > > Thank you for chiming in and allowing me to understand the
                            > > requirements of BGT a little better. While I have a huge attention to
                            > > detail, I have neither the time to go to the post office (I work full
                            > > time and attend college full time) nor do I really want to purchase a
                            > > scale just to authenticate a manufacturer's claims.
                            > >
                            > > I understand you guys require it, but a potential consumer could just
                            > > as easily go to the store with a scale in hand and determine the weigh
                            > > of the boot for their actual foot size (which may be smaller or larger
                            > > than mine) and have a more accurate weight of the boot the are
                            looking at.
                            > >
                            > > Since I cannot meet your requirement please discard this review.
                            > >
                            > > -Scott
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Boyle" <c4jc88@>
                            wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Hello Scott,
                            > > >
                            > > > I wanted to chime in here just a bit. As Ted stated in his email
                            > > weighing an item is a
                            > > > requirement and he mentioned the best reason for doing,
                            > > manufacturer's stated weight
                            > > > has a tendency to be off and we either confirm their weight or
                            > > provide an actual weight.
                            > > > You have several options, you can go to your local post office and
                            > > ask them to wiegh your
                            > > > gear or you can purchase a kitchen scale at your local mega store.
                            > > As a prior marine, I
                            > > > would think your attention to detail would allow you to be able to
                            > > accomplish this task
                            > > > easily. With regards to price and all the metric conversion, we
                            > > have an international
                            > > > audience and we want to make the site as user friendly as possible
                            > > for all readers. It
                            > > > wouldn't hurt to put US. These are minor in comparision to Ted's
                            > > other edits for you. The
                            > > > other edits just require some time. It was difficult for me to
                            > > initially analize a piece of gear
                            > > > critically, but as I worked through my OR's and testing it has
                            > > become much easier.
                            > > >
                            > > > We allow a lot of latitude with regards to everyones individual
                            > > writing style, but we also
                            > > > have standards of certain information that is required in every
                            > > report and every person
                            > > > who wants to become a tester has to abide by them. We are all on an
                            > > even ground. I think
                            > > > you have potential to be a good tester and hope you stick with it.
                            > > >
                            > > > Jason B
                            > > > Veteran tester
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                            > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Hi Ted,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks for the input I will look at adding more information to the
                            > > > > review.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Two things I wanted to bring up.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 1. I do not have a scale capable of weighing ounces. I have a
                            > > > > traditional scale only so I cannot provide you an accurate "true"
                            > > > > weight. If this specification is absolutely mandatory than I
                            guess I
                            > > > > will not waste time in editing the Owner Review as it would be
                            futile.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 2. Can you explain to me why I need to specify the boot cost in US
                            > > > > dollars? I live in the U.S. and the implied currency type is
                            fairly
                            > > > > obvious I believe. If I stated in my bio. that I travel and
                            backpack
                            > > > > outside the country that would be a different story.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I respect your editing remarks, some things seem a little nitpicky
                            > > > > with the details.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I will rework my review and repost it but again, if the physical
                            > > > > weight requirement is mandatory then I suppose my review is
                            useless
                            > > > > over one little detail.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Sincerely,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Scott Gage
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
                            > > > > <erd@> wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Hello Scott,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it.
                            It does
                            > > > > > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics,
                            both
                            > > > > > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works
                            out in
                            > > > > > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot
                            > > reviews
                            > > > > > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
                            > > > > > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
                            > > > > > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really
                            too thin
                            > > > > > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications,
                            though not
                            > > > > > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do
                            this.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this
                            re-written,
                            > > > > > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
                            > > > > > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance
                            > > from our
                            > > > > > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@). FWIW, I think the
                            > > > > > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall
                            between what
                            > > > > > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous,
                            but is big
                            > > > > > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Best,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Ted
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > BGT OR Editor
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                            > > > > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                            > > > > > > BY SCOTT GAGE
                            > > > > > > OR
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > March 21, 2007
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > TESTER INFORMATION
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > NAME: Scott Gage
                            > > > > > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
                            > > > > > > AGE: 28
                            > > > > > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                            > > > > > > GENDER: M
                            > > > > > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                            > > > > > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1
                            m, 93 kg
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Name: Scott Gage
                            > > > > > > Age: 28
                            > > > > > > Gender: Male
                            > > > > > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                            > > > > > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                            > > > > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
                            > > > > > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for
                            > > leisure until
                            > > > > > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required
                            "humps"
                            > > > > > > when I was in the Marines.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add
                            > > something on
                            > > > > > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                            > > > > > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                            > > > > > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you
                            do? Mostly
                            > > > > > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in
                            between?
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Product Information
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Manufacturer: REI
                            > > > > > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                            > > > > > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                            > > > > > > MSRP: $119.00
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: no period after oz
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                            > > > > > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Description
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > REI describes these boots with the following:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                            > > > > > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true
                            > > value.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier
                            > > Ballisticore� nylon
                            > > > > > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                            > > > > > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet
                            > > completely
                            > > > > > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                            > > > > > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail
                            > > debris and
                            > > > > > > relieves lace pressure
                            > > > > > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon
                            midsole
                            > > > > > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                            > > > > > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops
                            > > aid entry
                            > > > > > > and exit
                            > > > > > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                            > > lugs
                            > > > > > > for extra bite
                            > > > > > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your
                            > > description
                            > > > > > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are
                            going to
                            > > > > > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this
                            > > case),
                            > > > > > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails,
                            > > meets, or
                            > > > > > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Field Information
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was
                            > > wanting
                            > > > > > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel
                            > > Trail
                            > > > > > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two
                            > > years.
                            > > > > > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would
                            hold up and
                            > > > > > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                            > > > > > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation
                            > > gain/loss
                            > > > > > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                            > > > > > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This
                            > > trail is
                            > > > > > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have
                            > > hiked it
                            > > > > > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow,
                            ice, and
                            > > > > > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs
                            > > that
                            > > > > > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather
                            > > thin.
                            > > > > > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't
                            have any
                            > > > > > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                            > > > > > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these
                            boots
                            > > > > > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them
                            would be
                            > > > > > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow
                            > > foot. Good
                            > > > > > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is
                            > > going to
                            > > > > > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the
                            specifics of
                            > > > > > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                            > > > > > widths, this too should be mentioned.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > I was
                            > > > > > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                            > > > > > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's
                            important to
                            > > > > > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not
                            > > that much.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or
                            "GORE-TEX" (the
                            > > > > > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > lining. The
                            > > > > > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot
                            > > but I do
                            > > > > > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a
                            > > large rock
                            > > > > > > and know that it's PLANTED.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water
                            > > and some
                            > > > > > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my
                            feet do not
                            > > > > > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do
                            > > begin
                            > > > > > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM
                            insoles
                            > > > > > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for
                            13 mi /
                            > > > > > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where
                            I'm on my
                            > > > > > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool
                            > > rag socks
                            > > > > > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer
                            > > hiking sock
                            > > > > > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks,
                            > > especially up
                            > > > > > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots.
                            > > My toes
                            > > > > > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Thing I Like
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on
                            > > moderate
                            > > > > > > hikes.
                            > > > > > > 2. Break in was very fast.
                            > > > > > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                            > > > > > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they
                            keep the
                            > > > > > > feet stationary inside.
                            > > > > > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                            > > > > > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Things I Don't Like
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                            > > > > > > recommend replacing them.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Biographical Information
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Name: Scott Gage
                            > > > > > > Age: 28
                            > > > > > > Gender: Male
                            > > > > > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                            > > > > > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                            > > > > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                            > > > > > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually
                            the most
                            > > > > > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the
                            > > review,
                            > > > > > where the first iteration of this information is now.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
                            > > > > > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • mtv8dmarine
                            Owner Review - REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men s BY SCOTT GAGE March 30, 2007 TESTER INFORMATION Name: Scott Gage Age: 28 Gender: Male Height: 6 0 (2.1
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                              Owner Review - REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                              BY SCOTT GAGE
                              March 30, 2007

                              TESTER INFORMATION

                              Name: Scott Gage
                              Age: 28
                              Gender: Male
                              Height: 6' 0" (2.1 m)
                              Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                              Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                              Location: Claremont, CA, USA

                              Backpacking Background:

                              I'm not an ultralight backpacker to an extreme but the gear I own was
                              specifically purchased with minimal weight in mind. If I'm
                              backpacking with my large 4700 cu. in. pack, the pack, tent w/ fly and
                              footprint, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, stove, first aid kit, headlamp
                              and extra pair of socks weighs 13 lbs. I'm unsure of total weight
                              once I include clothes and food although for a 2-3 day hike I'm sure
                              it weighs less than 20 lbs.

                              I usually go on outings for the day. I hike anywhere from a few hours
                              to between 8-10. As the weather warms up between the cold nights in
                              California and the hot summers as well as in the fall, I try to go on
                              over nighters whenever possible. I'm in school and work full time so
                              weekend excursions for the time being happen whenever time permits.


                              Product Information

                              Manufacturer: REI
                              Year of Manufacture: 2006
                              Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                              MSRP: $119.00 US
                              Listed Weight: 50 oz (1400 g)
                              Measured Weight: ***Pending***
                              Boot size: 10.5 in US (44.5 EUR & 10 UK)


                              Description

                              REI's description of the boots follows and I have provided my input
                              about their product claims.

                              * Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                              waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.

                              * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore(TM)
                              nylon panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance

                              - For my feet, these boots do a wonderful job. Obviously, out here in
                              Southern California, we don't get wet (rainy) weather very often.
                              When we do I'm not exactly jumping at the opportunity to go hiking.
                              However, from the little bit of puddle hopping I have had to do, my
                              feet have stayed dry. The little bit of hiking I've done this year in
                              the snow, my feet have stayed dry. I have come onto a few occasions
                              where my ankle has wanted to roll and the boot upper has minimized the
                              injury. I have been able to stop, assess what happened and simply
                              continue walking.

                              * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex(R) drop linings keep feet completely
                              dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation

                              - The boots do seem to wick sweat away however, my feet usually have
                              some level of moisture after hiking. I don't believe the moisture is
                              more than it should normally be though.

                              * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                              relieves lace pressure

                              - The boot tongue is double stitched into the boot creating a web-like
                              appearance when fully expanded. It does keep debris out of the boot.
                              No matter how tight I tie these boots, I never feel it's too tight
                              where the laces overlap the tongue area until the laces are around the
                              upper portion of the boot in the high ankle area. Normally though, I
                              don't have any strain from the laces at all if they are properly tied.

                              * Full-length Air Cushion(R) EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                              supports deliver shock-absorption and stability

                              - I can say that I do not have foot fatigue from anything other than
                              my need for new insoles. The OEM ones provided are thin and flimsy.
                              Honestly, I expect a generic insole in a boot that costs less than $200.

                              * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                              and exit

                              - As stated above, the insoles are not adequate. Any hiker should
                              consider replacing the insoles in these boots prior to leaving the
                              store or at least before wearing for extended periods of time. The
                              insoles themselves do not have pull loops nor does the boot itself so
                              I cannot support that portion of the manufacturer's claim.

                              * Vibram(R) Chisel(TM) rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                              lugs for extra bite

                              - These boots grip the ground great. When I hike, the ground varies
                              in material from large rocks, to small pebbles. I never have a
                              problem with footing.

                              * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell


                              Field Information

                              I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                              to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                              at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                              I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                              give me the foot and ankle support I wanted. I tried a couple
                              different brands but I didn't like how they felt. The REI boots
                              seemed a perfect fit and feel.

                              Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                              primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                              equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                              (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                              an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                              in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                              water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation. I was
                              able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                              placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                              note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.

                              These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the Gore-Tex lining. The
                              soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                              retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                              and know that it's PLANTED.

                              So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water, some
                              trail grub, and my crampons. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes
                              my feet do not feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km)
                              hikes I do begin to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use
                              the OEM insoles that were in the boots when I purchased them.

                              The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                              20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                              feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                              if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                              and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                              front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                              do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.

                              I have hiked roughly 60 miles in these boots and I'm happy with my
                              choice in purchase. They fit well, and perform up to the
                              manufacturer's claims.

                              I have an average foot. My foot width is medium, I have good arches,
                              and a normal heel.

                              Thing I Like

                              1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                              hikes.
                              2. Break in was very fast.
                              3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                              4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                              feet stationary inside.
                              5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                              6. Soles can be replaced.

                              Things I Don't Like

                              1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                              recommend replacing them.










                              --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
                              <erd@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hello Scott,
                              >
                              > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
                              > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
                              > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
                              > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot reviews
                              > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
                              > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
                              > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
                              > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
                              > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
                              >
                              > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
                              > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
                              > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance from our
                              > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@...). FWIW, I think the
                              > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
                              > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
                              > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
                              >
                              > Best,
                              >
                              > Ted
                              >
                              > BGT OR Editor
                              >
                              > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                              > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                              > > BY SCOTT GAGE
                              > > OR
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
                              >
                              > > March 21, 2007
                              > >
                              > > TESTER INFORMATION
                              > >
                              > > NAME: Scott Gage
                              > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
                              > > AGE: 28
                              > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                              > > GENDER: M
                              > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                              > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
                              > >
                              > > Name: Scott Gage
                              > > Age: 28
                              > > Gender: Male
                              > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                              > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                              > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
                              > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
                              >
                              > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure until
                              > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
                              > > when I was in the Marines.
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
                              > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                              > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                              > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
                              > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
                              >
                              >
                              > >
                              > > Product Information
                              > >
                              > > Manufacturer: REI
                              > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                              > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                              > > MSRP: $119.00
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
                              >
                              > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: no period after oz
                              >
                              >
                              > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                              > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
                              >
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Description
                              > >
                              > > REI describes these boots with the following:
                              > >
                              > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                              > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
                              > >
                              > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore� nylon
                              > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                              > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet completely
                              > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                              > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                              > > relieves lace pressure
                              > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                              > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                              > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                              > > and exit
                              > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral lugs
                              > > for extra bite
                              > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
                              > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
                              > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
                              > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
                              > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                              >
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Field Information
                              > >
                              > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                              > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                              > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                              > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                              > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                              > >
                              > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                              > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                              > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                              > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                              > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                              > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                              > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
                              > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
                              > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
                              > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                              > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
                              >
                              > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
                              > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
                              >
                              > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
                              > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
                              > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
                              > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
                              > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                              > widths, this too should be mentioned.
                              >
                              > I was
                              > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                              > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                              > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
                              > >
                              > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
                              > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                              >
                              >
                              > lining. The
                              > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                              > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                              > > and know that it's PLANTED.
                              > >
                              > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water and some
                              > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
                              > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
                              > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
                              > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                              > >
                              > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                              > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                              > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                              > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                              > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                              > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                              > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Thing I Like
                              > >
                              > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                              > > hikes.
                              > > 2. Break in was very fast.
                              > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                              > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                              > > feet stationary inside.
                              > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                              > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                              > >
                              > > Things I Don't Like
                              > >
                              > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                              > > recommend replacing them.
                              > >
                              > > Biographical Information
                              > >
                              > > Name: Scott Gage
                              > > Age: 28
                              > > Gender: Male
                              > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                              > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                              > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                              > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                              >
                              > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
                              > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
                              > where the first iteration of this information is now.
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
                              > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
                              > >
                              >
                            • mtv8dmarine
                              I think I should post this as a new post. I apologize. ... until ... value. ... Ballisticore� nylon ... completely ... entry ... peripheral lugs ... wanting
                              Message 14 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
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                                I think I should post this as a new post. I apologize.

                                --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                                <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Owner Review - REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                                > BY SCOTT GAGE
                                > March 30, 2007
                                >
                                > TESTER INFORMATION
                                >
                                > Name: Scott Gage
                                > Age: 28
                                > Gender: Male
                                > Height: 6' 0" (2.1 m)
                                > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                                > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                                > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                                >
                                > Backpacking Background:
                                >
                                > I'm not an ultralight backpacker to an extreme but the gear I own was
                                > specifically purchased with minimal weight in mind. If I'm
                                > backpacking with my large 4700 cu. in. pack, the pack, tent w/ fly and
                                > footprint, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, stove, first aid kit, headlamp
                                > and extra pair of socks weighs 13 lbs. I'm unsure of total weight
                                > once I include clothes and food although for a 2-3 day hike I'm sure
                                > it weighs less than 20 lbs.
                                >
                                > I usually go on outings for the day. I hike anywhere from a few hours
                                > to between 8-10. As the weather warms up between the cold nights in
                                > California and the hot summers as well as in the fall, I try to go on
                                > over nighters whenever possible. I'm in school and work full time so
                                > weekend excursions for the time being happen whenever time permits.
                                >
                                >
                                > Product Information
                                >
                                > Manufacturer: REI
                                > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                                > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                                > MSRP: $119.00 US
                                > Listed Weight: 50 oz (1400 g)
                                > Measured Weight: ***Pending***
                                > Boot size: 10.5 in US (44.5 EUR & 10 UK)
                                >
                                >
                                > Description
                                >
                                > REI's description of the boots follows and I have provided my input
                                > about their product claims.
                                >
                                > * Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                                > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
                                >
                                > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore(TM)
                                > nylon panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                                >
                                > - For my feet, these boots do a wonderful job. Obviously, out here in
                                > Southern California, we don't get wet (rainy) weather very often.
                                > When we do I'm not exactly jumping at the opportunity to go hiking.
                                > However, from the little bit of puddle hopping I have had to do, my
                                > feet have stayed dry. The little bit of hiking I've done this year in
                                > the snow, my feet have stayed dry. I have come onto a few occasions
                                > where my ankle has wanted to roll and the boot upper has minimized the
                                > injury. I have been able to stop, assess what happened and simply
                                > continue walking.
                                >
                                > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex(R) drop linings keep feet completely
                                > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                                >
                                > - The boots do seem to wick sweat away however, my feet usually have
                                > some level of moisture after hiking. I don't believe the moisture is
                                > more than it should normally be though.
                                >
                                > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                                > relieves lace pressure
                                >
                                > - The boot tongue is double stitched into the boot creating a web-like
                                > appearance when fully expanded. It does keep debris out of the boot.
                                > No matter how tight I tie these boots, I never feel it's too tight
                                > where the laces overlap the tongue area until the laces are around the
                                > upper portion of the boot in the high ankle area. Normally though, I
                                > don't have any strain from the laces at all if they are properly tied.
                                >
                                > * Full-length Air Cushion(R) EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                                > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                                >
                                > - I can say that I do not have foot fatigue from anything other than
                                > my need for new insoles. The OEM ones provided are thin and flimsy.
                                > Honestly, I expect a generic insole in a boot that costs less than $200.
                                >
                                > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                                > and exit
                                >
                                > - As stated above, the insoles are not adequate. Any hiker should
                                > consider replacing the insoles in these boots prior to leaving the
                                > store or at least before wearing for extended periods of time. The
                                > insoles themselves do not have pull loops nor does the boot itself so
                                > I cannot support that portion of the manufacturer's claim.
                                >
                                > * Vibram(R) Chisel(TM) rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                                > lugs for extra bite
                                >
                                > - These boots grip the ground great. When I hike, the ground varies
                                > in material from large rocks, to small pebbles. I never have a
                                > problem with footing.
                                >
                                > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                                >
                                >
                                > Field Information
                                >
                                > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                                > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                                > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                                > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                                > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted. I tried a couple
                                > different brands but I didn't like how they felt. The REI boots
                                > seemed a perfect fit and feel.
                                >
                                > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                                > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                                > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                                > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                                > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                                > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                                > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation. I was
                                > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                                > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                                > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
                                >
                                > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the Gore-Tex lining. The
                                > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                                > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                                > and know that it's PLANTED.
                                >
                                > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water, some
                                > trail grub, and my crampons. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes
                                > my feet do not feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km)
                                > hikes I do begin to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use
                                > the OEM insoles that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                                >
                                > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                                > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                                > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                                > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                                > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                                > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                                > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                                >
                                > I have hiked roughly 60 miles in these boots and I'm happy with my
                                > choice in purchase. They fit well, and perform up to the
                                > manufacturer's claims.
                                >
                                > I have an average foot. My foot width is medium, I have good arches,
                                > and a normal heel.
                                >
                                > Thing I Like
                                >
                                > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                                > hikes.
                                > 2. Break in was very fast.
                                > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                                > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                                > feet stationary inside.
                                > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                                > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                                >
                                > Things I Don't Like
                                >
                                > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                                > recommend replacing them.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "edwardripleyduggan"
                                > <erd@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Hello Scott,
                                > >
                                > > I've looked over your review. Thank you for submitting it. It does
                                > > have many of the basics, but is really lacking in specifics, both
                                > > regarding the construction of the boot and how well it works out in
                                > > the field. I would recommend taking a look at some recent boot reviews
                                > > (I have contributed one recently on the Asolo FSN 95, and Ray
                                > > Estrella, another editor, has several very good recent reviews).
                                > > Please see if you can flesh this out--as it is, it's really too thin
                                > > to be useful as a review. I've provided some indications, though not
                                > > by any means complete instructions, as to how you might do this.
                                > >
                                > > You have a couple of options here. You can resubmit this re-written,
                                > > and if it's moving in the right direction I will re-edit.
                                > > Alternatively, you ,ay want to consider requesting assistance from our
                                > > mentoring program (contact jennifer.pope@). FWIW, I think the
                                > > mentor program would be helpful for you. The shortfall between what
                                > > you have supplied and what we need to see isn't enormous, but is big
                                > > enough that some assistance might well be useful to you.
                                > >
                                > > Best,
                                > >
                                > > Ted
                                > >
                                > > BGT OR Editor
                                > >
                                > > --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                                > > <mtv8dmarine@> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                                > > > BY SCOTT GAGE
                                > > > OR
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: Owner Review [instead of OR]
                                > >
                                > > > March 21, 2007
                                > > >
                                > > > TESTER INFORMATION
                                > > >
                                > > > NAME: Scott Gage
                                > > > EMAIL: mtv8dmarine@
                                > > > AGE: 28
                                > > > LOCATION: Claremont, CA, USA
                                > > > GENDER: M
                                > > > HEIGHT: 6' 0" (2.10 m)
                                > > > WEIGHT: 205 lb (93.00 kg)
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: One decimal place is fine (where needed) i.e. 2.1 m, 93 kg
                                > > >
                                > > > Name: Scott Gage
                                > > > Age: 28
                                > > > Gender: Male
                                > > > Height: 6 ft./2.10 M
                                > > > Weight: 205 lbs./93 kg
                                > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine@
                                > > > City, State, Country: Claremont, CA, USA
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: this appears to duplicate the previous section.
                                > >
                                > > > Backpacking Background: I never formally backpacked for leisure
                                until
                                > > > 2006. Previously I hiked in my teens and went on required "humps"
                                > > > when I was in the Marines.
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: Terse is fine here, but I would like you to add something on
                                > > your approach to backpacking. Are you an ultralighter or a
                                > > kitchen-sink backpacker, or something in between? Some specimen
                                > > weights would be helpful. Also, what kind of trips do you do? Mostly
                                > > overnighters or six-month long thru-hikes, or something in between?
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Product Information
                                > > >
                                > > > Manufacturer: REI
                                > > > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                                > > > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                                > > > MSRP: $119.00
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: MSRP: $119.00 US
                                > >
                                > > > Listed Weight: 50 oz. (1400 g)
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: no period after oz
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Measured Weight: n/a oz (n/a g)
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: Measured weight as a flat-out requirement on BGT.
                                > > Manufacturer weight sometimes differ dramatically from claims.
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: Missing from here is the size of boot
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Description
                                > > >
                                > > > REI describes these boots with the following:
                                > > >
                                > > > Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                                > > > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true
                                value.
                                > > >
                                > > > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier
                                Ballisticore� nylon
                                > > > panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                                > > > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex� drop linings keep feet
                                completely
                                > > > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                                > > > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                                > > > relieves lace pressure
                                > > > * Full-length Air Cushion� EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                                > > > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                                > > > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid
                                entry
                                > > > and exit
                                > > > * Vibram� Chisel� rubber outsoles feature oversized
                                peripheral lugs
                                > > > for extra bite
                                > > > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: It's OK to mention REI's claims, but I need your description
                                > > of the boot, in your words as well. In addition, if you are going to
                                > > mention a manufacturer's claims (distributor's claims, in this case),
                                > > be sure to address in the review whether performance fails, meets, or
                                > > surpasses those claims, as specifically as possible.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Field Information
                                > > >
                                > > > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was
                                wanting
                                > > > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                                > > > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two
                                years.
                                > > > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                                > > > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted.
                                > > >
                                > > > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                                > > > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation
                                gain/loss
                                > > > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                                > > > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This
                                trail is
                                > > > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have
                                hiked it
                                > > > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                                > > > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation.
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: What were your expectations? This sentence rather begs that
                                > > question. As a whole, I feel the review section proper is rather thin.
                                > > Since there is no detailed description of the boot, I don't have any
                                > > sense of how the features performed. nor do you discuss the
                                > > manufacturer's claims in any detail.
                                > >
                                > > In addition, I would like to know total miles done in these boots
                                > > (approximately), the extent of any wear, etc.
                                > >
                                > > Some detail on your feet and how well the boots match them would be
                                > > helpful. For example, do you have a wide. medium, or narrow foot. Good
                                > > arches? Thin or normal heel? If someone reading the review is going to
                                > > learn anything by doing so, they need to know how the specifics of
                                > > your feet match theirs. If the boots are available in different
                                > > widths, this too should be mentioned.
                                > >
                                > > I was
                                > > > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                                > > > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                                > > > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that
                                much.
                                > > >
                                > > > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the gore-tex
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: Proprietary name. Generally "Gore-Tex" or "GORE-TEX" (the
                                > > latter being the manufacturer's preference, but it looks ugly).
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > lining. The
                                > > > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but
                                I do
                                > > > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a
                                large rock
                                > > > and know that it's PLANTED.
                                > > >
                                > > > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water
                                and some
                                > > > trail grub. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes my feet do not
                                > > > feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km) hikes I do begin
                                > > > to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use the OEM insoles
                                > > > that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                                > > >
                                > > > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                                > > > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                                > > > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag
                                socks
                                > > > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer
                                hiking sock
                                > > > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                                > > > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My
                                toes
                                > > > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Thing I Like
                                > > >
                                > > > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on
                                moderate
                                > > > hikes.
                                > > > 2. Break in was very fast.
                                > > > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                                > > > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                                > > > feet stationary inside.
                                > > > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                                > > > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                                > > >
                                > > > Things I Don't Like
                                > > >
                                > > > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                                > > > recommend replacing them.
                                > > >
                                > > > Biographical Information
                                > > >
                                > > > Name: Scott Gage
                                > > > Age: 28
                                > > > Gender: Male
                                > > > Height: 6' 0" (1.83 m)
                                > > > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                                > > > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                                > > > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                                > >
                                > > ### EDIT: This is repeated (again), though this is actually the most
                                > > correct version, so keep this but move it to the front of the review,
                                > > where the first iteration of this information is now.
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
                                > > > Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >
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                                  Owner Review - REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                                  BY SCOTT GAGE
                                  March 30, 2007

                                  TESTER INFORMATION

                                  Name: Scott Gage
                                  Age: 28
                                  Gender: Male
                                  Height: 6' 0" (2.1 m)
                                  Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                                  Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                                  Location: Claremont, CA, USA

                                  Backpacking Background:

                                  I'm not an ultralight backpacker to an extreme but the gear I own was
                                  specifically purchased with minimal weight in mind. If I'm
                                  backpacking with my large 4700 cu. in. pack, the pack, tent w/ fly and
                                  footprint, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, stove, first aid kit, headlamp
                                  and extra pair of socks weighs 13 lbs. I'm unsure of total weight
                                  once I include clothes and food although for a 2-3 day hike I'm sure
                                  it weighs less than 20 lbs.

                                  I usually go on outings for the day. I hike anywhere from a few hours
                                  to between 8-10. As the weather warms up between the cold nights in
                                  California and the hot summers as well as in the fall, I try to go on
                                  over nighters whenever possible. I'm in school and work full time so
                                  weekend excursions for the time being happen whenever time permits.


                                  Product Information

                                  Manufacturer: REI
                                  Year of Manufacture: 2006
                                  Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                                  MSRP: $119.00 US
                                  Listed Weight: 50 oz (1400 g)
                                  Measured Weight: ***Pending***
                                  Boot size: 10.5 in US (44.5 EUR & 10 UK)


                                  Description

                                  REI's description of the boots follows and I have provided my input
                                  about their product claims.

                                  * Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                                  waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.

                                  * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore(TM)
                                  nylon panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance

                                  - For my feet, these boots do a wonderful job. Obviously, out here in
                                  Southern California, we don't get wet (rainy) weather very often.
                                  When we do I'm not exactly jumping at the opportunity to go hiking.
                                  However, from the little bit of puddle hopping I have had to do, my
                                  feet have stayed dry. The little bit of hiking I've done this year in
                                  the snow, my feet have stayed dry. I have come onto a few occasions
                                  where my ankle has wanted to roll and the boot upper has minimized the
                                  injury. I have been able to stop, assess what happened and simply
                                  continue walking.

                                  * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex(R) drop linings keep feet completely
                                  dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation

                                  - The boots do seem to wick sweat away however, my feet usually have
                                  some level of moisture after hiking. I don't believe the moisture is
                                  more than it should normally be though.

                                  * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                                  relieves lace pressure

                                  - The boot tongue is double stitched into the boot creating a web-like
                                  appearance when fully expanded. It does keep debris out of the boot.
                                  No matter how tight I tie these boots, I never feel it's too tight
                                  where the laces overlap the tongue area until the laces are around the
                                  upper portion of the boot in the high ankle area. Normally though, I
                                  don't have any strain from the laces at all if they are properly tied.

                                  * Full-length Air Cushion(R) EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                                  supports deliver shock-absorption and stability

                                  - I can say that I do not have foot fatigue from anything other than
                                  my need for new insoles. The OEM ones provided are thin and flimsy.
                                  Honestly, I expect a generic insole in a boot that costs less than $200.

                                  * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                                  and exit

                                  - As stated above, the insoles are not adequate. Any hiker should
                                  consider replacing the insoles in these boots prior to leaving the
                                  store or at least before wearing for extended periods of time. The
                                  insoles themselves do not have pull loops nor does the boot itself so
                                  I cannot support that portion of the manufacturer's claim.

                                  * Vibram(R) Chisel(TM) rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                                  lugs for extra bite

                                  - These boots grip the ground great. When I hike, the ground varies
                                  in material from large rocks, to small pebbles. I never have a
                                  problem with footing.

                                  * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell


                                  Field Information

                                  I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                                  to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                                  at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                                  I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                                  give me the foot and ankle support I wanted. I tried a couple
                                  different brands but I didn't like how they felt. The REI boots
                                  seemed a perfect fit and feel.

                                  Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                                  primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                                  equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                                  (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                                  an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                                  in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                                  water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation. I was
                                  able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                                  placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                                  note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.

                                  These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the Gore-Tex lining. The
                                  soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                                  retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                                  and know that it's PLANTED.

                                  So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water, some
                                  trail grub, and my crampons. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes
                                  my feet do not feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km)
                                  hikes I do begin to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use
                                  the OEM insoles that were in the boots when I purchased them.

                                  The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                                  20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                                  feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                                  if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                                  and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                                  front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                                  do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.

                                  I have hiked roughly 60 miles in these boots and I'm happy with my
                                  choice in purchase. They fit well, and perform up to the
                                  manufacturer's claims.

                                  I have an average foot. My foot width is medium, I have good arches,
                                  and a normal heel.

                                  Thing I Like

                                  1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                                  hikes.
                                  2. Break in was very fast.
                                  3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                                  4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                                  feet stationary inside.
                                  5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                                  6. Soles can be replaced.

                                  Things I Don't Like

                                  1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                                  recommend replacing them.
                                • mtv8dmarine
                                  I m confused. I just made a brand new post and it put it back in here. =/
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Mar 30, 2007
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                                    I'm confused. I just made a brand new post and it put it back in here. =/

                                    --- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "mtv8dmarine"
                                    <mtv8dmarine@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Owner Review - REI Monarch IV GTX Hiking Boots - Men's
                                    > BY SCOTT GAGE
                                    > March 30, 2007
                                    >
                                    > TESTER INFORMATION
                                    >
                                    > Name: Scott Gage
                                    > Age: 28
                                    > Gender: Male
                                    > Height: 6' 0" (2.1 m)
                                    > Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
                                    > Email address: mtv8dmarine[at]gmail[dot]com
                                    > Location: Claremont, CA, USA
                                    >
                                    > Backpacking Background:
                                    >
                                    > I'm not an ultralight backpacker to an extreme but the gear I own was
                                    > specifically purchased with minimal weight in mind. If I'm
                                    > backpacking with my large 4700 cu. in. pack, the pack, tent w/ fly and
                                    > footprint, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, stove, first aid kit, headlamp
                                    > and extra pair of socks weighs 13 lbs. I'm unsure of total weight
                                    > once I include clothes and food although for a 2-3 day hike I'm sure
                                    > it weighs less than 20 lbs.
                                    >
                                    > I usually go on outings for the day. I hike anywhere from a few hours
                                    > to between 8-10. As the weather warms up between the cold nights in
                                    > California and the hot summers as well as in the fall, I try to go on
                                    > over nighters whenever possible. I'm in school and work full time so
                                    > weekend excursions for the time being happen whenever time permits.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Product Information
                                    >
                                    > Manufacturer: REI
                                    > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                                    > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                                    > MSRP: $119.00 US
                                    > Listed Weight: 50 oz (1400 g)
                                    > Measured Weight: ***Pending***
                                    > Boot size: 10.5 in US (44.5 EUR & 10 UK)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Description
                                    >
                                    > REI's description of the boots follows and I have provided my input
                                    > about their product claims.
                                    >
                                    > * Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                                    > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
                                    >
                                    > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore(TM)
                                    > nylon panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                                    >
                                    > - For my feet, these boots do a wonderful job. Obviously, out here in
                                    > Southern California, we don't get wet (rainy) weather very often.
                                    > When we do I'm not exactly jumping at the opportunity to go hiking.
                                    > However, from the little bit of puddle hopping I have had to do, my
                                    > feet have stayed dry. The little bit of hiking I've done this year in
                                    > the snow, my feet have stayed dry. I have come onto a few occasions
                                    > where my ankle has wanted to roll and the boot upper has minimized the
                                    > injury. I have been able to stop, assess what happened and simply
                                    > continue walking.
                                    >
                                    > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex(R) drop linings keep feet completely
                                    > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                                    >
                                    > - The boots do seem to wick sweat away however, my feet usually have
                                    > some level of moisture after hiking. I don't believe the moisture is
                                    > more than it should normally be though.
                                    >
                                    > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                                    > relieves lace pressure
                                    >
                                    > - The boot tongue is double stitched into the boot creating a web-like
                                    > appearance when fully expanded. It does keep debris out of the boot.
                                    > No matter how tight I tie these boots, I never feel it's too tight
                                    > where the laces overlap the tongue area until the laces are around the
                                    > upper portion of the boot in the high ankle area. Normally though, I
                                    > don't have any strain from the laces at all if they are properly tied.
                                    >
                                    > * Full-length Air Cushion(R) EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                                    > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                                    >
                                    > - I can say that I do not have foot fatigue from anything other than
                                    > my need for new insoles. The OEM ones provided are thin and flimsy.
                                    > Honestly, I expect a generic insole in a boot that costs less than $200.
                                    >
                                    > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                                    > and exit
                                    >
                                    > - As stated above, the insoles are not adequate. Any hiker should
                                    > consider replacing the insoles in these boots prior to leaving the
                                    > store or at least before wearing for extended periods of time. The
                                    > insoles themselves do not have pull loops nor does the boot itself so
                                    > I cannot support that portion of the manufacturer's claim.
                                    >
                                    > * Vibram(R) Chisel(TM) rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                                    > lugs for extra bite
                                    >
                                    > - These boots grip the ground great. When I hike, the ground varies
                                    > in material from large rocks, to small pebbles. I never have a
                                    > problem with footing.
                                    >
                                    > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Field Information
                                    >
                                    > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                                    > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                                    > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                                    > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                                    > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted. I tried a couple
                                    > different brands but I didn't like how they felt. The REI boots
                                    > seemed a perfect fit and feel.
                                    >
                                    > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area. I
                                    > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                                    > equals 2700 ft / 823 m) and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                                    > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                                    > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                                    > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                                    > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation. I was
                                    > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                                    > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                                    > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
                                    >
                                    > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the Gore-Tex lining. The
                                    > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                                    > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                                    > and know that it's PLANTED.
                                    >
                                    > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters of water, some
                                    > trail grub, and my crampons. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km) hikes
                                    > my feet do not feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km)
                                    > hikes I do begin to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use
                                    > the OEM insoles that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                                    >
                                    > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                                    > 20.93 km worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                                    > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                                    > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                                    > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                                    > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                                    > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                                    >
                                    > I have hiked roughly 60 miles in these boots and I'm happy with my
                                    > choice in purchase. They fit well, and perform up to the
                                    > manufacturer's claims.
                                    >
                                    > I have an average foot. My foot width is medium, I have good arches,
                                    > and a normal heel.
                                    >
                                    > Thing I Like
                                    >
                                    > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                                    > hikes.
                                    > 2. Break in was very fast.
                                    > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                                    > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                                    > feet stationary inside.
                                    > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                                    > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                                    >
                                    > Things I Don't Like
                                    >
                                    > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                                    > recommend replacing them.
                                    >
                                  • edwardripleyduggan
                                    Good morning, Scott! Glad you decided to persevere. Edits follow. Your weighing suggestion s fine by me--please include it in the HTML version. Best, Ted BGT
                                    Message 17 of 17 , Apr 2, 2007
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                                      Good morning, Scott!

                                      Glad you decided to persevere. Edits follow. Your weighing
                                      suggestion's fine by me--please include it in the HTML version.


                                      Best,

                                      Ted

                                      BGT OR Editor


                                      > Backpacking Background:
                                      >
                                      > I'm not an ultralight backpacker to an extreme but the gear I own was
                                      > specifically purchased with minimal weight in mind. If I'm
                                      > backpacking with my large 4700 cu. in. pack, the pack, tent w/ fly and
                                      > footprint, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, stove, first aid kit, headlamp
                                      > and extra pair of socks weighs 13 lbs. I'm unsure of total weight
                                      > once I include clothes and food although for a 2-3 day hike I'm sure
                                      > it weighs less than 20 lbs.
                                      >
                                      > I usually go on outings for the day. I hike anywhere from a few hours
                                      > to between 8-10. As the weather warms up between the cold nights in
                                      > California and the hot summers as well as in the fall, I try to go on
                                      > over nighters whenever possible. I'm in school and work full time so
                                      > weekend excursions for the time being happen whenever time permits.
                                      >

                                      ### EDIT: I was looking for around 100 words (the stated BGT
                                      standard). This is much more informative than ver. 1, and I thank you.
                                      I'd like to propose the following compressed version (104 words, which
                                      is OK).

                                      "I'm not an ultralight backpacker to an extreme but the gear I own was
                                      purchased with minimal weight in mind. If I'm using my large pack, the
                                      pack and main contents (pack, tent with fly and footprint, sleeping
                                      bag, sleeping pad, stove, first-aid kit, headlamp and extra pair of
                                      socks) weigh 13 lb (6 kg). With clothes and food enough for a 2-3 day
                                      hike I'm sure it weighs less than 20 lb (9 kg). I usually go on day
                                      outings. I hike anywhere from a few hours to between 8-10. Where time
                                      and weather permit, I try to go on overnighters whenever possible."

                                      >
                                      > Product Information
                                      >
                                      > Manufacturer: REI
                                      > Year of Manufacture: 2006
                                      > Manufacturer's Website: www.rei.com
                                      > MSRP: $119.00 US
                                      > Listed Weight: 50 oz (1400 g)
                                      > Measured Weight: ***Pending***
                                      > Boot size: 10.5 in US (44.5 EUR & 10 UK)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Description
                                      >
                                      > REI's description of the boots follows and I have provided my input
                                      > about their product claims.
                                      >
                                      > * Amazing performance, fit and durability for wet weather. These
                                      > waterproof hikers handle mucky trails with ease and are a true value.
                                      >
                                      > * Pliable nubuck leather uppers with 1,000-denier Ballisticore(TM)
                                      > nylon panels ensure rugged durability and water resistance
                                      >
                                      > - For my feet, these boots do a wonderful job. Obviously, out here in
                                      > Southern California, we don't get wet (rainy) weather very often.
                                      > When we do I'm not exactly jumping at the opportunity to go hiking.
                                      > However, from the little bit of puddle hopping I have had to do, my
                                      > feet have stayed dry. The little bit of hiking I've done this year in
                                      > the snow, my feet have stayed dry. I have come onto a few occasions
                                      > where my ankle has wanted to roll and the boot upper has minimized the
                                      > injury. I have been able to stop, assess what happened and simply
                                      > continue walking.
                                      >
                                      > * Waterproof, breathable Gore-Tex(R) drop linings keep feet completely
                                      > dry and wick away sweat for quick evaporation
                                      >
                                      > - The boots do seem to wick sweat away however, my feet usually have
                                      > some level of moisture after hiking. I don't believe the moisture is
                                      > more than it should normally be though.
                                      >
                                      > * Fully gusseted and padded scree tongue seals out trail debris and
                                      > relieves lace pressure
                                      >
                                      > - The boot tongue is double stitched into the boot creating a web-like
                                      > appearance when fully expanded. It does keep debris out of the boot.
                                      > No matter how tight I tie these boots, I never feel it's too tight
                                      > where the laces overlap the tongue area until the laces are around the
                                      > upper portion of the boot in the high ankle area. Normally though, I
                                      > don't have any strain from the laces at all if they are properly tied.
                                      >
                                      > * Full-length Air Cushion(R) EVA midsoles and tapered nylon midsole
                                      > supports deliver shock-absorption and stability
                                      >
                                      > - I can say that I do not have foot fatigue from anything other than
                                      > my need for new insoles. The OEM ones provided are thin and flimsy.
                                      > Honestly, I expect a generic insole in a boot that costs less than $200.
                                      >
                                      > * Removable EVA foam insoles add cushioning; heel pull loops aid entry
                                      > and exit
                                      >
                                      > - As stated above, the insoles are not adequate. Any hiker should
                                      > consider replacing the insoles in these boots prior to leaving the
                                      > store or at least before wearing for extended periods of time. The
                                      > insoles themselves do not have pull loops nor does the boot itself so
                                      > I cannot support that portion of the manufacturer's claim.
                                      >
                                      > * Vibram(R) Chisel(TM) rubber outsoles feature oversized peripheral
                                      > lugs for extra bite
                                      >
                                      > - These boots grip the ground great. When I hike, the ground varies
                                      > in material from large rocks, to small pebbles. I never have a
                                      > problem with footing.
                                      >
                                      > * Made exclusively for REI by Merrell

                                      ### EDIT: Sorry to say, this is still not quite as it should be. Your
                                      evaluation of the claims should be in the "Field section," and perhaps
                                      reiterated in a summary at the end. Look, what's needed here is the
                                      REI description (if you indeed wish to keep it--it's not essential)
                                      together with a description in your words of the boots.

                                      I don't wish to hold my style of writing out as an ideal (far from
                                      it!), but just to give you an idea of the sort of verbal picture
                                      needed (and incidentally, a photo, if available, compliments the
                                      verbal precis nicely) here's the text of a boot description that I
                                      wrote last year.

                                      "The construction of the boot is pretty straightforward. The scree
                                      collar is well padded, as is the top of the tongue, which ascends
                                      about 1" (2.5 cm) above the rim of the boot. Gussets extend on either
                                      side to the rim of the boot, providing good protection when wading
                                      shallow streams. The collar and gusset are attached to the Gore-Tex
                                      liner by sewing.

                                      The bootlaces pass through a series of five pairs of loops on each
                                      boot, three of which are brass and two of which are fabric tape. The
                                      latter seem to be strategically placed to control tension at critical
                                      flex points. Above this section of lacing there are two pairs of
                                      standard brass speed hooks. There's also a central tape on the tongue,
                                      sewn through into loops, and it's possible to pass the laces through
                                      this to keep the tongue centered, and I in fact I do this, and it
                                      works well. The laces are round, and have a tendency to fray at the
                                      ends. I have flame-whipped mine by melting the ends and rolling them
                                      smooth. The laces hold fairly well using a special knotting that I
                                      learned some while ago, but a conventional lacing knot soon comes
                                      undone, a common problem with round laces, I've found. My preference
                                      is always for flat laces, which I feel hold any knot very much better,
                                      and I'd certainly have been happier with these, but what is supplied
                                      isn't so bad that I've gone hunting for replacements.

                                      The toe has a textured "rubberized" covering. I have no idea if this
                                      is indeed rubber or a plastic, but it helps create a solid toe box.
                                      It's quite stiff and abrasion-resistant. There is a contoured rand
                                      around the circumference of each boot. On the sides, above this rand,
                                      is a panel of a material that looks like nothing so much as heavy
                                      cardboard. What this actually is, I don't know. It has a slightly
                                      fabric-like appearance, but seems to be impregnated with some kind of
                                      flexible resin. Whatever it is made of, it is very strong, and has
                                      largely resisted wear. "

                                      Whatever its strengths and weaknesses, this tells the reader

                                      1. The construction of the boot where it meets the ankle (scree collar
                                      and gussets).

                                      2. Lacing arrangement

                                      3. Composition of the boot (materials).

                                      4. Description of toebox (important, this).

                                      5. Rand etc. I covered the soles elsewhere.

                                      Note that this doesn't draw on the manufacturer description at all. I
                                      do sometimes do so, but more commonly I'll take specific items, e.g.
                                      the materials used, and use that supplied information for my own
                                      description, e.g. "The boot uses Vibram Chisel outsoles. They are
                                      heavily lugged." You can talk about the grip in the field section.
                                      However, a few direct quotes are fine too, provided that there is a
                                      word-picture of your own.


                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Field Information
                                      >
                                      > I purchased these boots at the very beginning of 2007. I was wanting
                                      > to get back into hiking and set goals to hike the Bright Angel Trail
                                      > at the Grand Canyon in a year's time and Mount Whitney in two years.
                                      > I needed a good relatively inexpensive boot that would hold up and
                                      > give me the foot and ankle support I wanted. I tried a couple
                                      > different brands but I didn't like how they felt. The REI boots
                                      > seemed a perfect fit and feel.
                                      >
                                      > Currently they are used in and around the Mount Baldy area.

                                      ### EDIT: You need to say where these are. I've hiked around CA, and I
                                      have no idea.

                                      I
                                      > primarily hike Icehouse Canyon to Icehouse Saddle (elevation gain/loss
                                      > equals 2700 ft / 823 m)

                                      ### EDIT: while elevation gain is a useful figure, it's also necessary
                                      to state the actual elevations at which you hiked and backpacked. It
                                      helps to give the reader a baseline for comparison to their own use.


                                      and Icehouse Canyon to Telegraph Peak
                                      > (elevation gain/loss equals roughly 4800 ft / 1463 m). This trail is
                                      > an established trail but is fairly rocky in sections. I have hiked it
                                      > in while the trail is clear as well as covered in snow, ice, and
                                      > water. In all instances the boots handled up to expectation. I was
                                      > able to carefully navigate some icy patches with careful foot
                                      > placement without the requirement for crampons. It's important to
                                      > note that the elevation grades in the icy sections was not that much.
                                      >
                                      > These boots have kept my feet dry thanks to the Gore-Tex lining. The
                                      > soles are rugged and I do not feel rocks too much under foot but I do
                                      > retain the ability to plant my foot firmly on the side of a large rock
                                      > and know that it's PLANTED.
                                      >
                                      > So far I have hiked with a daypack carrying 5 liters

                                      ### EDIT: 5 liters (5 quarts)

                                      [this is a "close enough" conversion that I usually use]

                                      of water, some
                                      > trail grub, and my crampons. On moderate (7.4 mi / 11.91 km)


                                      ### EDIT: (7.4 mi / 11.9 km)

                                      [in converting to metric, try to keep the same approximate accuracy].

                                      hikes
                                      > my feet do not feel exhausted however on longer (13 mi / 20.93 km)


                                      ### EDIT: (13 mi / 20.9 km)

                                      > hikes I do begin to suffer from foot fatigue. I currently only use
                                      > the OEM

                                      ### EDIT: OEM's a term more closely associated with computers. It's
                                      also not universally understood. Just "...use the manufacturer's
                                      insoles..." is better.

                                      insoles that were in the boots when I purchased them.
                                      >
                                      > The boots took about a week to break in. I wore them for 13 mi /
                                      > 20.93 km

                                      ### EDIT: 13 mi / 20.9 km

                                      worth of trail hiking and all day at work where I'm on my
                                      > feet all day. There is plenty of room in the boot for wool rag socks
                                      > if I needed to wear them. I currently wear a double layer hiking sock
                                      > and while the boot allows ample room for larger socks, especially up
                                      > front in the toe area, my feet do not move inside the boots. My toes
                                      > do not contact the front of the boot on steep descents.
                                      >
                                      > I have hiked roughly 60 miles

                                      ### EDIT:[ metric conversion with mileage, please]

                                      in these boots and I'm happy with my
                                      > choice in purchase. They fit well, and perform up to the
                                      > manufacturer's claims.
                                      >
                                      > I have an average foot. My foot width is medium, I have good arches,
                                      > and a normal heel.
                                      >
                                      > Thing I Like
                                      >
                                      > 1. They are comfortable enough to wear all day at work and on moderate
                                      > hikes.
                                      > 2. Break in was very fast.
                                      > 3. They grip the ground pretty well rock, snow, or water.
                                      > 4. Plenty of room for heavy socks and even without, they keep the
                                      > feet stationary inside.
                                      > 5. The shoe lace loops are all metal.
                                      > 6. Soles can be replaced.
                                      >
                                      > Things I Don't Like
                                      >
                                      > 1. The insoles are not good for lengthy hikes. I definitely
                                      > recommend replacing them.
                                      >
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