Thank you TJ Smith - OR - Big Agnes Horse Thief
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- Hi TJ,
Nice review. I've made some edits below. Once you've had a chance to
make the appropriate corrections please repost it with REPOST in the
subject line. Once I've taken another look at it I'll give you the
address you need to upload it to its new home at BGT.
Thanks again for the nice work,
--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony \(TJ\) Smith"
> ief%20TJ%20Smith/ or http://tinyurl.com/8agey.### FYI - When you put a URL in an email (or posting) it's best to
skip the punctuation (the period above became part of the link and
> insulation on the bottom of the bag. Instead, there is a sleevedesigned to
> be used with a sleeping pad. According to Big Agnes, the Horse Thief is### What are the dimensions of the sleeve? What size pad have you used
in the sleeve? Does it have to be a mummy shape? Does BA have any
recommendations (other than its pads) for a pad?
### Are the seams stitched straight thru?
> At the top of the zipper is a small flap attached with a hook and loop### Is the zipper attached to the sleeve material on one side & the
> fastener that covers the zipper. I use this to help keep the zipper in
> position while tossing and turning at night.
down filled sections on the other? Is there any anti-snagging
provision (piping, etc.)? Did you have any issues with snagging the
shell fabric in the zipper?
> The pad sleeve is simply an extra layer of fabric on the bottom ofthe bag,
### What kind of fabric? Is it like the shell?
> the bag. Following the directions from Big Agnes, I washed the HorseThief
> in a front-loading washing machine, and dried the bag on air dry. Idid take
### I assume "on air dry" means "in a dryer set on air dry" and is not
a reference to drying it by hanging it up and letting it air dry.
> worked, as I had minimal issues after washing with any clumping ofthe down
> in the bag.### Is the shell fabric still wind/water resistant? If so, did you use
any special detergent additive when washing (like Nikwax)? Any issues
with wind or water penetration of the bag during use before washing or
> due to becoming too warm. I feel this has shown me the upper comfortrange
> for my use.### Do you normally sleep warm or cold? (i.e. do you find sleeping bag
ratings close to your comfort levels?)
> poses a problem for using the bag with my Hennessy Hammock, as youreally
> need a left zip due to the entry method for the hammock. I havefound that I
### Not me. I haven't found an issue with zipper side with my HH.
Suggest you remove the word "you" above and rephrase to avoid projection.
- Jim, here is the repost of my OR. I believe I've addressed all concerns.
HTML is at
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Big Agnes Horse Thief Sleeping Bag
November 1, 2005
Personal Biographical Information
Name - Anthony (TJ) Smith
Age - 30
Gender - Male
Height - 5' 10" (1.78 m)
Weight - 155 lb (70 kg)
Email Address - tjsmith1946@...
City, State, Country - Pensacola, FL USA
Background - I have been camping for a little over 5 years now, mostly car
camping. I have recently begun backpacking, and I am constantly adding new
gear to my "collection" in an effort to get my gear list tailored more
towards backpacking, specifically lightweight backpacking. Most of my
backpacking trips are short duration, not more than one or two nights. I am
planning some longer trips in the near future.
Manufacturer - Big Agnes
Year of Manufacture - 2004
Manufacturer URL - www.bigagnes.com
Size - Regular
Stated Weight - 1 lb 8 oz (680 g)
Stated Size - 64 in hip girth to 67.5 in shoulder girth (163 cm to 171 cm)
Stated Compressed Size - 7.75 in x 4.5 in (19.7 cm x 11.4 cm)
Weight as Delivered - 2 lb 2 oz (964 g) in nylon stuff sack
Girth as delivered - 44 in Neck, 63 in Chest, 36 in Foot (112 cm, 160 cm and
91 cm respectively)
Length as delivered - 78 in (198 cm)
Compressed size as delivered, using the included nylon sack - 7.5 in x 5.5
in (19 cm x 14 cm)
MSRP - US $179
Locations and Conditions Used
The Horse Thief has been used in locations throughout north Florida, for a
total of approximately 20 trail nights. Weather conditions during my use
have ranged from lows of 30 F (-1 C) to a high of 90 F (32 C), with humidity
levels from 20% to 100% and precipitation from none to a torrential
downpour. I have used the Horse Thief exclusively in a Hennessy Hammock,
both with no pad under the bag and using a simple closed-cell foam pad
trimmed to fit the pad sleeve of the bag.
The Horse Thief is a 35 F (2 C) rated 725 fill goose down mummy sleeping
bag. Big Agnes uses a unique system for their bags in that there is no
insulation on the bottom of the bag. Instead, there is a sleeve designed to
be used with a mummy-shaped sleeping pad. While Big Agnes does recommend
their own pads for use in the bag (and what manufacturer wouldn't) they do
say that any mummy pad can be used. The pad sleeve measures 21.25 in (54 cm)
at its widest point and tapers to 12 in (30.5 cm) at the foot of the bag,
and is the full length of the bag. The sleeve itself is stitched around the
perimeter of the sleeve to the edges of the top section of the bag or the
zipper, depending on the section of the bag the sleeve adjoins. According to
Big Agnes, the Horse Thief is constructed of "WRM-breathable, water
resistant and wind proof microfiber ripstop" for both the inner and outer.
This bag is a series of 13 sections, each of which contains a separate
quantity of down. These sections cover the top of the bag, and a small
distance around the sides to the bottom of the bag, ending at the sides of
the pad sleeve. The sections are divided by sections of fabric stitched to
both the inner and outer fabric, forming a series of "tubes". There is a
small Big Agnes logo on the top of the bag, centered on the second baffle
from the neck.
The Horse Thief does not have a hood, but does have a pocket attached to the
head end. This is for using either the Big Agnes Air Core pillow, or for
stuffing clothing into for use as a pillow. There is a draft collar around
the neck area of the bag, which is also down-filled. A drawstring cord runs
through the edge of the neck section, with a cordlock to hold the cord when
it has been cinched down.
The Horse Thief is available in two sizes, regular and long, and in either
right or left zip. The zipper is 54 in (137 cm) long and follows the curve
of the bag. There is a pull at both the top and bottom of the zipper. The
bottom zipper pull allows for ventilation while keeping the bag zipped up.
At the top of the zipper is a small flap attached with a hook and loop
fastener that covers the zipper. I use this to help keep the zipper in
position while tossing and turning at night. The zipper is attached to the
filled section of the bag on one side, and to the pad sleeve on the other
side. There is no anti-snag mechanism along the zipper, and I have
experienced some snagging of the zipper but no ripping of the fabric as a
result of these snags.
The pad sleeve is simply an extra layer of the same fabric the bag is
constructed of and attached to the bottom of the bag, covering the full
length of the bag. There is an opening 13 in (33 cm) from the head end of
the bag with a flap sealed by a hook and loop patch for inserting a sleeping
pad into the sleeve, and an opening near the foot end to allow me access to
pull the bottom of the pad down. There is also a small opening in the sleeve
on both sides at the head end to allow the inflation valve of a Big Agnes
sleeping pad to be accessed while I am laying in the bag. Big Agnes also
advertises with their sleeping pads that the pad can be left in the pad
sleeve and the entire unit placed into the stuff sack for ease of carrying.
I do not yet have a Big Agnes pad, so I cannot verify that claim at this
The Horse Thief comes with two bags, a cotton storage bag and a nylon stuff
sack. The cotton bag is used to store the Horse Thief in a uncompressed
state between trips, and the nylon stuff sack is for compressing the bag
during travels. In addition there are two small loops of webbing on the foot
of the bag, used for storing the bag in a hanging position instead of in the
cotton storage bag. Hanging has been my method of storage when not on the
trail throughout my usage of the Horse Thief. The included stuff bag is a
simple cylinder of nylon fabric with a drawstring closure and a cordlock
similar to the one on the neck closure of the sleeping bag. There is a flap
of fabric inside the opening that is used to cover the open end of the stuff
bag after placing the sleeping bag inside. On the bottom of the stuff bag is
a strap that I use to help hold the stuff bag when removing the sleeping bag
The Horse Thief is my first foray into the world of down camping equipment.
This required some adjustment in my methods due to the care needed to ensure
a long life for the down, such as not leaving the bag compressed and being
careful to not let the bag get too wet.
So far, the bag has held up well under use. I have accumulated approximately
20 trail nights in the time I have owned my Horse Thief, and it has just
recently had any noticeable loss of feathers through the fabric (and very
few at that). The Horse Thief appears to handle humidity well, with no
noticeable difference in loft regardless of the humidity level. I have
experienced minimal snagging of the fabric with the zipper, but I have not
noticed any damage to the fabric from the zipper snags.
The Horse Thief has done a good job of handling surface dirt, with most of
the dirt easy to brush off. The bag had recently begun to develop a
body-type odor, which is most likely due to not using a separate liner with
the bag. Following the directions from Big Agnes, I washed the Horse Thief
in a front-loading washing machine, and dried the bag in a dryer set on air
dry. I used a detergent designed for delicate fabrics, and also took a hint
from several other users of down products and placed a tennis ball in the
dryer with the bag to "beat" the down clumps apart. This appears to have
worked, as I had minimal issues after washing with any clumping of the down
in the bag. As best as I can tell, I have not lost any of the wind and water
resistance as a result of washing the bag. I do make an extra effort to
ensure the bag remains dry throughout my usage, so water resistance would be
difficult at best for me to judge.
In my experiences, I tend to actually sleep within the rated ranges for most
of the sleeping bags I have used, neither finding them warmer or cooler than
the rated temperatures but usually right on for me. I find the Horse Thief
to be a very comfortable bag within its rated temperature range. I do find
it a bit too warm for the higher end of temperatures I camp in. However, at
the higher temperatures (above about 85 F [29 C]) I tend to not use any
sleeping bag at all. In early October of 2005, I used my Horse Thief on an
overnight trip with a low of 82 F (28 C). I placed the Horse Thief in my
hammock prior to retiring for the night, and climbed in to lay on top of the
bag as it was not cold enough to get in the bag. Within 10 minutes of
climbing into my hammock, I had to remove the bag due to becoming too warm.
I feel this has shown me the upper comfort range for my use.
I have had the Horse Thief down to 30 F (-1 C) during April of 2005 in
Suwanee, Florida. This again was in my Hennessy Hammock, and using a
closed-cell foam pad beneath the bag but not in the pad sleeve. I wore
mid-weight pants and shirt as a base layer, an Ex-Officio Give-N-Go Skivvy
top, a synthetic t-shirt, wool hiking socks and a knit watch cap. I was
quite comfortable with this setup, and actually had to remove my synthetic
t-shirt during the night because I had gotten almost too warm for comfort.
This is the coldest trip I have taken so far with the Horse Thief, and feel
that I could continue using the bag in similar conditions. My only issue
with this use is the lack of a hood system to help keep my head warm, which
the watch cap does help with.
I feel given my build, the Horse Thief allows me room to roll from side to
side. I tend to not spend the night in any one position and require room to
roll back and forth. The girth of the Horse Thief is adequate for me to have
this range of movement.
The Horse Thief has lofted well after removing it from the nylon stuff sack
throughout my usage. Upon setting up camp, I take the bag out and place it
into my hammock to let it loft before going to bed. This gives the bag a
minimum of one hour to loft, and on most occasions two to three hours. This
appears to be more than adequate time for the bag to loft up.
One issue with the functionality of the bag that I have encountered, and is
totally my own fault, is having a right side zipper on the bag I have. This
poses a problem for using the bag with my Hennessy Hammock, as I find a left
zip bag makes for much easier entry into the bag with it placed in the
hammock. I have found that I can still enter and exit the bag while having
the bag in the hammock, it just requires a bit more maneuvering on my part
to make this work. I would definitely pay more attention to the zip side if
I had the opportunity to make this purchase again.
Overall, the Horse Thief appears well constructed. I have not noticed any
"wandering" seams, and no loose threads. During my use, I have not
experienced any threads coming loose. I have only had a small loss of
feathers from the bag, less than six feathers total that I have noticed. The
bag has retained its loft well, and has remained comfortable.
Pros and Cons
1. Personal temperature comfort range (low 80s F [27 C] to 30 F [-1 C])
2. Small compressed size
3. Light weight
1. Extra care down requires
2. Lack of insulation on the bottom (remedied with the use of a pad)
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- Hi TJ,
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--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony \(TJ\) Smith"