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  • richardglyon
    Name: Richard Lyon Gender: Male Age: 58 Height: 6 4 (1.93 m) Weight: 200 lb (91 kg) Email address: rlyon@gibsondunn.com Home: Dallas, Texas USA Date: May 31,
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 1, 2005
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      Name: Richard Lyon
      Gender: Male
      Age: 58
      Height: 6' 4" (1.93 m)
      Weight: 200 lb (91 kg)
      Email address: rlyon@...
      Home: Dallas, Texas USA

      Date: May 31, 2005

      Backpacking background:

      I've been backpacking for 45 years on and off, and regularly in the
      Rockies, especially Montana, since I moved to Texas in 1986. I try
      to do a weeklong trip every summer, and often take three-day trips.
      I'm usually camping in alpine terrain, at altitudes 5000 to 13,000
      ft (1500 - 4000 m). When I organize a trip, it's base camp
      backpacking, a long hike in followed by day trips from camp, but I
      do my share of forced marches too. The ultralight evangelists
      haven't converted me yet; regardless of type of trip, I'll tote a
      few extra pounds to have the camp conveniences I've come to expect.


      Product: Bibler Ahwahnee 2 tent
      Manufacturer: Black Diamond Equipment, Ltd.
      Year of manufacture: 1998
      Year of Purchase: 1998
      URL: www.biblertents.com
      Weight:

      Items Listed Weighed
      Tent, six stakes, three poles, stuff sack* 6 lb 3 oz (2.8 kg)
      5 lb 9 oz (2.5 kg)**
      Ground cloth 11.3 oz (321 g) 8 oz (227 g)
      Vestibule (see review; includes pole and two stakes) 1 lb 3 oz
      (540 g) 1 lb 8 oz (680 g)
      [* As indicated in the review, the 2005 model is listed as 8
      oz (225 g) heavier.]
      [**I believe the reason the tent weight is lighter is that
      the listed weight includes seam sealer, syringe, instruction
      manual, and packing.]

      Dimensions

      Dimension Listed Measured
      Length (side to side) 88 in (2.25 m) 88 in (2.25 m)
      Width – tent body (front to back) 53 in (1.35 m) 52 in (1.35
      m)
      Width - vestibule (vestibule door to tent door) 38 in (1.0 m) 36
      in (0.95 m)
      Height (tent body) 45 in (1.14 m) 45 in (1.14 m)

      Floor area: 33.1 sq. ft. (3.1 m2). Vestibule area: 13 sq ft (1.2 m2)
      MSRP: Tent $649; vestibule $127.50; ground cloth $35

      Product description

      The Ahwahnee is a canopy-style tent. Mine has a single door that
      takes up most of one of the "long" sides. Campers sleep parallel to
      the door rather than back-to-front. The rear wall has a no-see-um
      window extending 18 in (40 cm) down from the top. This can be
      zippered up with fabric from the inside. The roof of the tent
      extends several inches beyond the front and rear walls as awnings
      over the door and window.





      As can be seen on Bibler's website, in 2005 Bibler redesigned the
      Ahwahnee with identical doors on both sides, aiding ventilation and
      ingress but adding weight. My yellow tent has become a classic, as
      the new models are available only in green.

      Like all Bibler tents, the Ahwahnee tent body is a single wall made
      of ToddTex, a waterproof and breathable PTFE fabric invented and
      perfected by Todd Bibler, founder of the line. The floor is
      seamless, treated heavy-duty nylon and extends an inch (2.5 cm) up
      the walls. Bibler, now owned by Black Diamond (BD), offers tents
      for the most extreme conditions (e.g., Everest), and many of its
      tents have specialty applications. The Ahwahnee serves mere
      mortals – an all-purpose, all-season, two-person backpacking tent.

      The nylon ground cloth, when used (I rarely do), is fitted under and
      staked out with the tent body, with twine threaded through the
      stakeout loops. I describe and picture the vestibule under "Setup"
      below.

      All Bibler tents come with Easton aluminum poles and stakes, a stuff
      sack, and a syringe and tube of seam sealer. The Ahwahnee stuff
      sack is large enough for tent, poles, stakes, ground cloth, and my
      small repair kit. The vestibule comes with its own pole, two
      stakes, and stuff sack.

      Why I bought this tent

      The Ahwahnee is my second Bibler tent. Several years earlier I had
      purchased a larger tent, the Bombshelter, for long trips and winter
      camping. My experience with that tent made me a single-wall fan and
      Bibler enthusiast for life. When I decided that my previous solo
      tent, a Moss Netting Outland, was too heavy, I looked over Bibler's
      line and found that the Ahwahnee weighed less than the Moss (a
      double wall one-person tent) and could do solo and two-person duty.
      I use it for both.

      Setup

      Like all Bibler tents, the Ahwahnee sets up with poles on the
      inside, allowing pitching from inside the tent or, with a deft and
      practiced hand, from outside as well. First I set the short pole
      through the small holes in the canopy, then insert the two longer
      poles through the door into the grommets in each corner, poles
      crisscrossing at the top. The poles fit exactly, requiring some
      manipulation at the peak where the three poles intersect. When the
      poles are lined up, I set them with the "twist ties," flexible
      plastic fasteners attached to the canopy that are easily cinched
      (even with gloves on) to hold the poles in place. (There are no
      pole sleeves; the twist ties show the proper path.) I then stake
      out the tent at its corners. I can accomplish all this in two
      minutes or so.

      There are small loops on the corners, and an extra hole in the nylon
      strip that holds the canopy pole, in place that could be used with
      guy lines in windy conditions; I've never found that necessary.
      Once set up and staked out, the tent is strong and stable despite
      its relatively high profile. The door when open can be rolled up
      and tied off easily with two attached hook and loop ties, to avoid
      stepping or slipping on it.

      The optional (extra charge) vestibule has eight C-shaped clips that
      hook into nylon loops located around the door. I find vestibule
      assembly much more difficult than setting up the tent, as the clips
      are small and the sleeve holes smaller and difficult to find when
      groping under the awning. Unless I have a special need for storage
      I leave the vestibule at home. The vestibule is made of treated
      nylon, and has its own pole to give something of a tunnel effect.
      The vestibule door is about one-third the size of the tent door,
      which can compromise ventilation. With the 2005 model it is
      possible to use a vestibule with each door. Here is the Ahwahnee
      with vestibule:





      Conditions

      I have used my Ahwahnee in all conditions except extreme cold. As
      the Bombshelter remains my choice in winter (I don't take overnight
      solo hikes in winter conditions), for me the Ahwahnee is a three-
      season tent. Three-season use at 10,000 ft (3000m), however, has
      included camping on snow, weathering a surprise early blizzard, and
      temperatures down to 10F (-13C). I'm confident that I could use it
      in winter, although the vestibule would be needed. With its huge
      door and large window, the Ahwahnee is light and airy in high summer
      when other single-wall tents might be too warm.

      Evaluation

      Functionality. This is the roomiest two-person tent I've ever owned
      or used. The high ceiling and steep side angles allow two adults to
      sit up naturally and render every square inch inside the tent
      usable. For organized storage there's a small net pocket in each
      back corner, ideal for flashlight-sized gear. Bibler sells ($14.95)
      a small "attic" that is attached to the tent poles for additional
      storage. I have shared this tent with another six-footer and we
      slept comfortably with all our gear inside, not using the
      vestibule. (In summer I usually hike in bear country and hang my
      pack but I've stored it in the vestibule or tent on occasion.)
      Ventilation is great even in a storm unless I'm using the vestibule;
      then it's still satisfactory. I've found very few genuine two-
      person tents that weigh much less, and none with as much room
      inside. The full-side door makes entry and departure really easy
      and provides a great view, weather permitting, two more reasons why
      I prefer not using the vestibule.

      Protection. Though seam-taped at the factory, Bibler recommends
      seam sealing and provides a syringe and tube of sealer with the
      tent. Door and window zippers are covered with flaps. ToddTex is a
      remarkable fabric; I have never encountered a leak or a drop of
      condensation inside the tent. Even when I bring wet gear or
      clothing inside, there's no condensation on the walls or poles.

      Durability and Maintenance. Both my Bibler tents are as
      indestructible as fabric shelters can be. Another advantage of a
      single-wall tent is that it dries out in the field much more quickly
      than a double-wall, which tends to retain condensation between the
      walls. As a result I'm rarely packing a damp tent, reducing the
      chance for mildew. My Ahwahnee has withstood gale winds, a six-hour
      downpour, sleet, hail, even the occasional flying tree branch.
      After seven seasons it hasn't needed any patching or re-treating the
      fabric. Maintenance is a thorough wash with soapy water followed by
      a rinse and a couple of hours in the Texas sun.

      Problems. The only technical problems I've encountered with the
      tent are with the vestibule. As noted, it's a nuisance to set up..
      The zipper won't detach at the bottom, resulting in a one-inch strip
      of material at the bottom of the door that I constantly trip over
      when going in or out. I reported this latter problem to BD, and the
      good folks there promised to see if this could be fixed. The second
      door in the new model should eliminate this problem unless two
      vestibules are used.

      The Ahwahnee draws many compliments from my backpacking comrades,
      and one complaint: price. Even after BD moved production offshore
      and dropped the prices of several models, all Bibler tents are
      expensive. A fully loaded (vestibule, ground cloth, attic) Ahwahnee
      lists for over $800. That's about $100 less than list price when I
      bought mine. I have seen them (new and used) available for less on
      eBay. Some online outfitting warehouses offer them at a slight
      discount, especially on the now-discontinued one-door model. BD's
      website occasionally has cosmetic seconds and demo tents for sale on
      its "Specials" page.

      Overall. For a premium price BD delivers unmatched design,
      workmanship, and materials. The Ahwahnee really is my dream tent.
      BD now sells a less expensive, lighter weight line of tents (also
      single wall, made of Epic rather than ToddTex). One of these, the
      Lighthouse, is based on the Ahwahnee design (but is smaller). I'd
      like to try it, particularly for solo use in summer. For now though
      I'll carry the extra couple of pounds and consider the extra dollars
      very well spent for a spacious, expedition-grade shelter that I
      expect to use for the rest of my life.
    • richardglyon
      Name: Richard Lyon Gender: Male Age: 58 Height: 6 4 (1.93 m) Weight: 200 lb (91 kg) Email address: rlyon@gibsondunn.com Home: Dallas, Texas USA Date: May 31,
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 3, 2005
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        Name: Richard Lyon
        Gender: Male
        Age: 58
        Height: 6' 4" (1.93 m)
        Weight: 200 lb (91 kg)
        Email address: rlyon@...
        Home: Dallas, Texas USA

        Date: May 31, 2005

        Backpacking background:

        I've been backpacking for 45 years on and off, and regularly in the
        Rockies, especially Montana, since I moved to Texas in 1986. I try
        to do a weeklong trip every summer, and often take three-day trips.
        I'm usually camping in alpine terrain, at altitudes 5000 to 13,000
        ft (1500 - 4000 m). When I organize a trip, it's base camp
        backpacking, a long hike in followed by day trips from camp, but I
        do my share of forced marches too. The ultralight evangelists
        haven't converted me yet; regardless of type of trip, I'll tote a
        few extra pounds to have the camp conveniences I've come to expect.


        Product: Bibler Ahwahnee 2 tent
        Manufacturer: Black Diamond Equipment, Ltd.
        Year of manufacture: 1998
        Year of Purchase: 1998
        URL: www.biblertents.com
        Weight:

        Items Listed Weighed
        Tent, six stakes, three poles, stuff sack* 6 lb 3 oz (2.8 kg)
        5 lb 9 oz (2.5 kg)**
        Ground cloth 11.3 oz (321 g) 8 oz (227 g)
        Vestibule (see review; includes pole and two stakes) 1 lb 3 oz
        (540 g) 1 lb 8 oz (680 g)
        [* As indicated in the review, the 2005 model is listed as 8
        oz (225 g) heavier.]
        [**I believe the reason the tent weight is lighter is that
        the listed weight includes seam sealer, syringe, instruction
        manual, and packing.]

        Dimensions

        Dimension Listed Measured
        Length (side to side) 88 in (2.25 m) 88 in (2.25 m)
        Width – tent body (front to back) 53 in (1.35 m) 52 in (1.35
        m)
        Width - vestibule (vestibule door to tent door) 38 in (1.0 m) 36
        in (0.95 m)
        Height (tent body) 45 in (1.14 m) 45 in (1.14 m)

        Floor area: 33.1 sq. ft. (3.1 m2). Vestibule area: 13 sq ft (1.2 m2)
        MSRP: Tent $649; vestibule $127.50; ground cloth $35

        Product description

        The Ahwahnee is a canopy-style tent. Mine has a single door that
        takes up most of one of the "long" sides. Campers sleep parallel to
        the door rather than back-to-front. The rear wall has a no-see-um
        window extending 18 in (40 cm) down from the top. This can be
        zippered up with fabric from the inside. The roof of the tent
        extends several inches beyond the front and rear walls as awnings
        over the door and window.





        As can be seen on Bibler's website, in 2005 Bibler redesigned the
        Ahwahnee with identical doors on both sides, aiding ventilation and
        ingress but adding weight. My yellow tent has become a classic, as
        the new models are available only in green.

        The Ahwahnee tent body is a single wall made of ToddTex, a
        waterproof and breathable PTFE fabric used in all Bibler tents.
        It's named after Todd Bibler, founder of the line. The floor is
        seamless, treated heavy-duty nylon and extends an inch (2.5 cm) up
        the walls. Bibler, now owned by Black Diamond (BD), offers tents
        for the most extreme conditions (e.g., Everest), and many of its
        tents have specialty applications. The Ahwahnee serves mere
        mortals – an all-purpose, all-season, two-person backpacking tent.

        The nylon ground cloth, when used (I rarely do), is fitted under and
        staked out with the tent body, with twine threaded through the
        stakeout loops. I describe and picture the vestibule under "Setup"
        below.

        All Bibler tents come with Easton aluminum poles and stakes, a stuff
        sack, and a syringe and tube of seam sealer. The Ahwahnee stuff
        sack is large enough for tent, poles, stakes, ground cloth and my
        small repair kit. The vestibule comes with its own pole, two stakes
        and stuff sack.

        Why I bought this tent

        The Ahwahnee is my second Bibler tent. Several years earlier I had
        purchased a larger tent, the Bombshelter, for long trips and winter
        camping. My experience with that tent made me a single-wall fan and
        Bibler enthusiast for life. When I decided that my previous solo
        tent, a Moss Netting Outland, was too heavy, I looked over Bibler's
        line and found that the Ahwahnee weighed less than the Moss (a
        double wall one-person tent) and could do solo and two-person duty.
        I use it for both.

        Setup

        Like all Bibler tents, the Ahwahnee sets up with poles on the
        inside, allowing pitching from inside the tent or, with a deft and
        practiced hand, from outside as well. First I set the short pole
        through the small holes in the canopy, then insert the two longer
        poles through the door into the grommets in each corner, poles
        crisscrossing at the top. The poles fit exactly, requiring some
        manipulation at the peak where the three poles intersect. When the
        poles are lined up, I set them with the "twist ties," flexible
        plastic fasteners attached to the canopy that are easily cinched
        (even with gloves on) to hold the poles in place. (There are no
        pole sleeves; the twist ties show the proper path.) I then stake
        out the tent at its corners. I can accomplish all this in two
        minutes or so.

        There are small loops on the corners and an extra hole in the nylon
        strip that holds the canopy pole in place that could be used with
        guy lines in windy conditions; I've never found that necessary.
        Once set up and staked out, the tent is strong and stable despite
        its relatively high profile. The door when open can be rolled up
        and tied off easily with two attached hook and loop ties, as in the
        photo above, to avoid stepping or slipping on it.

        The optional (extra charge) vestibule has eight C-shaped clips that
        hook into nylon loops located around the door. I find vestibule
        assembly much more difficult than setting up the tent as the clips
        are small and the sleeve holes smaller and difficult to find when
        groping under the awning. Unless I have a special need for storage
        I leave the vestibule at home. The vestibule is made of treated
        nylon, and has its own pole to give something of a tunnel effect.
        The vestibule door is about one-third the size of the tent door,
        which can compromise ventilation. With the 2005 model it is
        possible to use a vestibule with each door. Here is the Ahwahnee
        with vestibule:





        Conditions

        I have used my Ahwahnee in all conditions except extreme cold. As
        the Bombshelter remains my choice in winter (I don't take overnight
        solo hikes in winter conditions), for me the Ahwahnee is a three-
        season tent. Three-season use at 10,000 ft (3000m), however, has
        included camping on snow, weathering a surprise early blizzard, and
        temperatures down to 10 F (-13 C). I'm confident that I could use
        it in winter, although the vestibule would be needed. With its huge
        door and large window, the Ahwahnee is light and airy in high summer
        when other single-wall tents might be too warm.

        Evaluation

        Functionality. This is the roomiest two-person tent I've ever owned
        or used. The high ceiling and steep side angles allow two adults to
        sit up naturally and render every square inch inside the tent
        usable. For organized storage there's a small net pocket in each
        back corner, ideal for flashlight-sized gear. Bibler sells ($14.95)
        a small "attic" that is attached to the tent poles for additional
        storage. I have shared this tent with another six-footer and we
        slept comfortably with all our gear inside, not using the
        vestibule. (In summer I usually hike in bear country and hang my
        pack but I've stored it in the vestibule or tent on occasion.)
        Ventilation is great even in a storm unless I'm using the vestibule;
        then it's still satisfactory. I've found very few genuine two-
        person tents that weigh much less, and none with as much room
        inside. The full-side door makes entry and departure really easy
        and provides a great view, weather permitting, two more reasons why
        I prefer not using the vestibule.

        Protection. Though seam-taped at the factory, Bibler recommends
        seam sealing and provides a syringe and tube of sealer with the
        tent. Door and window zippers are covered with flaps. ToddTex is a
        remarkable fabric; I have never encountered a leak or a drop of
        condensation inside the tent. Even when I bring wet gear or
        clothing inside, there's no condensation on the walls or poles.

        Durability and Maintenance. Both my Bibler tents are as
        indestructible as fabric shelters can be. Another advantage of a
        single-wall tent is that it dries out in the field much more quickly
        than a double-wall, which tends to retain condensation between the
        walls. As a result I'm rarely packing a damp tent, reducing the
        chance for mildew. My Ahwahnee has withstood gale winds, a six-hour
        downpour, sleet, hail, even the occasional flying tree branch.
        After seven seasons it hasn't needed any patching or re-treating the
        fabric. Maintenance is a thorough wash with soapy water followed by
        a rinse and a couple of hours in the Texas sun.

        Problems. The only technical problems I've encountered with the
        tent are with the vestibule. As noted, it's a nuisance to set up.
        The zipper won't detach at the bottom, resulting in a one-inch strip
        of material at the bottom of the door that I constantly trip over
        when going in or out. I reported this latter problem to BD, and the
        good folks there promised to see if this could be fixed. The second
        door in the new model should eliminate this problem unless two
        vestibules are used.

        The Ahwahnee draws many compliments from my backpacking comrades,
        and one complaint: price. Even after BD moved production offshore
        and dropped the prices of several models, all Bibler tents are
        expensive. A fully loaded (vestibule, ground cloth, attic) Ahwahnee
        lists for over $800. That's about $100 less than list price when I
        bought mine. I have seen them (new and used) available for less on
        eBay. Some online outfitting warehouses offer them at a slight
        discount, especially on the now-discontinued one-door model. BD's
        website occasionally has cosmetic seconds and demo tents for sale on
        its "Specials" page.

        Overall. For a premium price BD delivers unmatched design,
        workmanship, and materials. The Ahwahnee really is my dream tent.
        BD now sells a less expensive, lighter weight line of tents (also
        single wall, made of Epic rather than ToddTex). One of these, the
        Lighthouse, is based on the Ahwahnee design (but is smaller). I'd
        like to try it, particularly for solo use in summer. For now though
        I'll carry the extra couple of pounds and consider the extra dollars
        very well spent for a spacious, expedition-grade shelter that I
        expect to use for the rest of my life.
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