OR Bozeman Orange Titanium tent stakes
- No-one has done these, I like them, so herewith.
Html version in OR section of tests, same name.
URLs have been 'yahooed'.
Owner Review - Lightweight Orange Lazr Hi-Vis Titanium tent pegs/stakes
Manufacturer: <http://www.bozemanmountainworks.com>Bozeman Mountain Works
Product Name: Lazr Hi-Vis Titanium Tent Stakes
Year of manufacture: ~2004
Listed weight: 6.71 g +/- 0.10 g (0.2368 oz +/- 0.0036 oz)
Measured weight: 6.5 g (0.229 oz)
Listed Length: 15.4 cm (6.0 in)
Measured Length: 15.3 cm (6.0 in)
Listed Diameter: 3.4 mm (0.130 in)
Measured Diameter: 3.4 mm (0.130 in)
Colour: Hi-Vis "Flame" orange
Review Date: 4-Jan-2005
Preamble re Bozeman
As far as I can see, the Bozeman website only lists major items such as
packs, sleeping bags and tarps, and with not a lot of product information
anyhow. It does not list these pegs or stakes per se. Instead, the reader is
referred to a retailer for information about all such products and
accessories. From the website it would seem that
<http://www.backpackinglight.com>Backpacking Light (BPL) is the major retail
outlet for Bozeman, but there may be others. I have noticed that the BPL
website often refers to Bozeman as 'we' and 'our', so it may be that there
is more than just a retail relationship between the two. Since there is no
information on the Bozeman web site about these pegs, I have quoted the
information from the BPL website instead. By way of added information, BPL
list these pegs at US$19.99 for 6: not very cheap, but possible.
These are lightweight titanium wire pegs with a shape as shown as shown
above. Very similar titanium wire pegs are available from other sources such
as <mailto:simmet@...>Simon Metals Company but these Bozeman ones are
coated a bright orange colour. The Simon Metals ones are plain titanium
wire. The claim is made that the coating is far more durable than ordinary
paint. In fact, the BPL website claims:
"This coating is durable enough that it will not passively chip, flake, or
wear thin if subjected to normal forest soil abrasion. Pounding on the head
of the tent stake, of course, will cause the coating on that part of the
stake to wear down to the titanium surface. Likewise, as the shaft of the
tent stake is subjected to abrasion against objects which have a hardness
greater than H/HB (rocks, consolidated sand and gravel, etc.), the coating
of the shaft will wear. However, the amount of field use required to wear
the coating to the point that it no longer functions (that is, provides the
visibility you need to find your tent stakes) probably exceeds the useful
lifetime of either your tent stake or the shelter which you are staking
down! Our goal in this design is simply to provide a long-lasting coating
that retains the hi-vis nature of the tent stake during normal field use -
while adding less than 1/100th of an ounce to the tent stake weight."
I have titanium pegs from both Bozeman and Simon Metals. Mechanically they
Speculation on sources
Given the difficulty of machining and bending titanium wire - or even of
buying it (I tried), it would be within the bounds of reason to speculate
that Simon Metals supply the basic pegs and that Bozeman apply the orange
I discuss below my experiences with the coating: it is rugged. I will record
here that I have managed to create a coating of similar toughness on a Simon
Metals titanium peg by using a yellow epoxy paint obtained at my local
hardware store. This is illustrated to the right: it looks rather similar I
None of this detracts from these Lazr pegs of course. It is just of interest
to gear freaks. The end result is great.
Field Experience - the toughness
In my Owner Review of
20Caffin/>home-made tubular pegs I explained why I had made them:
"For a tent peg to hold in the ground it needs enough length to get down
into the more compacted soil, and enough width that it won't slide through
the soil. It also needs to be strong enough that it would not bend under
load - not that a guy rope from a small lightweight tent puts that much load
on a peg. Wire pegs work in some soils, but I was looking for something
However, I have also run into situations where those 8 - 9 mm diameter
tubular pegs just didn't work. On some nights in rocky country around Sydney
I have found that the ground is just too hard to even think about getting
those tubular pegs in. After having this problem a few times I started
taking a few titanium pegs with me. Now when I run into this rocky ground I
can usually hammer these wire pegs in.
I said 'hammer'. Yes, I mean I have had to pick up a rock and pound the top
of the titanium wire peg to get it into the ground. Well, to force it in
between the rocks would probably be a more accurate description of what was
happening. This wasn't happening in your typical soft forest understorey
type of soil: it was often on a small (hopefully) flat spot on the side of a
rocky mountain, with a thin layer of soil over rock. But the point is, these
wire pegs will take that sort of treatment, without flinching or bending. I
found it a bit unreal the first time I tried it: I was sure the peg would
crumple or at least the top end would bend over. I knew from experience
that ordinary steel wire pegs would fail that way. Nope: the titanium peg
stayed straight, the hook stayed the same, and in it went.
Occasionally one of the pegs will get a little bent somewhere down the main
length. Trying to hammer a bent peg into rock is not as effective as when
the peg is straight, so I do periodically check the pegs for straightness. I
have found that some gentle 'panel beating' with a medium-weight hammer and
a large vise will straighten small bends in these pegs. I have not had to
work on the hook section at all: that seems to be even more resistant to
distortion. Maybe the metal there has 'work-hardened' a little.
While hammering away that first time I was sure the paint would come off
quickly. Nope: apart from chipping where the rock hit, it stayed on. This is
illustrated to the right. I have to say I was very impressed the first time
I used them like this, and I have continued to be impressed as I have
continued to use them. I am guessing it is an epoxy paint to get that
adhesion and toughness: it isn't any sort of anodising. It does come off
eventually like a paint, but whatever they used is pretty good stuff.
So I started taking a couple of titanium pegs in my peg bag in place of some
of the tubular ones and using them regularly. At first this was out of
curiosity, to see just how well the pegs and the paint would survive and
whether they were that much worse at holding in the ground compared with my
tubular pegs. After all, they are even lighter than my tubular ones, and at
a weight of only 6.5 g (0.23 oz) each, who's complaining? At first I was
using plain ones from Simon Metals, but as mentioned below they had their
own problems. I switched to the Lazr pegs and began using them all the time.
Well, after much use the coating or paint on the tips of the pegs has worn
away, but only at the tip. This is shown on two of them to the right. That
just might be because they have been given a very hard life, being jammed
into narrow cracks between rocks so often. But I can hardly complain!
Do they hold as well as my wider tubular ones?
No, they do not, but the difference is only significant in really soft soil
and at very high loads. If the soil has any sort of hardness at all, they do
seem to hold well enough for side guys. OK, I usually push them right in so
the top is flush with the ground, but this has worked well enough even in
soft alpine soil. It helps when I can get the peg into a tuft of grass or
behind some plants as the roots spread the load out. However, I do not
normally use these wire pegs in soft soils for the end anchors on my tunnel
tent. The end pegs on a tunnel tent really hold the whole thing up, and the
load on those end pegs is higher than on ordinary guy ropes. In general the
load there is a bit too high for wire pegs. Under difficult conditions I
have resorted to jamming the pegs in and then putting rocks on the pegs, as
shown to the right (purple arrows). More bad weather? More rocks! There
wasn't a lot of room on that rocky little saddle in the photo, and it was
almost dark when I finished pitching the tent. Sometimes you have to just
grab what there is and hope the pegs hold. But I have happily used them for
the end anchors in really hard rocky soil when the tubular pegs would not go
in. I just make sure the peg goes right in.
Is the paint of any value?
In a word, yes. Before getting these I was using some plain titanium ones,
but I quickly found they had one serious defect. If I dropped one of them on
the ground it would take me five to ten minutes of searching to find it. The
rather plain grey colour of the unpolished titanium metal seemed to blend in
with dead grass, old sticks and mulch extremely well, at least in our
Australian bushlands. This came home to me on one trip when I had taken a
couple of plain titanium pegs in place of some tubular ones, and had started
with only just enough pegs to pitch the tent. I lost two plain titanium ones
on the ground one evening and realised that I could be in some trouble. I
eventually found them, but I resolved that henceforth I would only take
brightly coloured pegs of any sort. I painted the two plain ones I had, but
then I was given these Lazr pegs. For many conditions they really are a
nearly perfect solution.
Very light Perhaps a shade short?
Very reliable Nothing else, really
Would I keep using them? Would I buy more?
I certainly will keep using them. For trips in our alpine regions I might
take only two Lazr pegs and ten tubular ones, but for trips in areas where I
know the ground may be difficult I'll take six of each. And if I lost them
all I would have to buy more.
Reviewer: Roger Caffin
Weight: 61 kg (134 lb)
Height: 166 cm (65")
Email address: r dot [surname] at acm dot org
Home: Sydney, Australia
I started bushwalking (the Australian term) when I was about 14 years old
and took up rock climbing and remote exploration walking at University with
the girl who became my wife. Later on we took up ski touring and canyoning.
These days all our trips involve just the two of us. Over the last few years
we have become converted to the concept of ultra-lightweight walking, and we
have been cutting our total pack weights down from 18 - 20 kg (40 - 45 lb)
each to about 12 kg (26 lb) each for week-long trips. That's not counting
climbing rope or extra water for a dry camp - both happen. Our preferred
walking trips in Australia are long ones: about a week in the general Blue
Mts (east coast of Australia) and Snowy Mts (alpine region), and up to two
months long in Europe and the UK. Ski touring trips would also typically
last up to a week. We favour fairly hard trips and prefer to travel fast and
light. Many of our trips are exploratory in wild country which sees few
other walkers. In between these long trips we do some day walks, often
exploring the start of longer trips. On average over the year we would spend
at least two days per week walking or ski touring.
I am the maintainer of the Australian aus.bushwalking FAQ web site
<http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/>www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/ which is
hosted by the <http:www.bushwalking.org.au>Confederation of Bushwalking
Clubs NSW in Australia. I am also the web master for the Confederation and
the editor of their magazine 'The Bushwalker'. In addition I have written
gear reviews for Wild, a local Australian walking magazine, and for
BackpackingLight.com in America.
> Owner Review - Lightweight Orange Lazr Hi-Vis Titanium tentpegs/stakes
Hi Roger C
THanks for your Owner Review. I don't have access to my usual OR
acknowledgement message at the moment (I hear a sigh of relief from
the peanut gallery) but rest assured your report has been added to
Edit Amin Offier
- Hi Roger,
Nice tight review of the pegs. A couple of very minor things to take a
look at but otherwise no biggie. I'm going to make you come back with
a repost though because you need to tighten up your bio and I want to
take a look at it before you post it up on BGT (right now it's 1/8th
of your review here and about 3 times as long as we're looking for).
When you're ready, please repost it to the list with REPOST in the
--- In BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Caffin"
> Listed weight: 6.71 g +/- 0.10 g (0.2368 oz +/- 0.0036 oz)### A *little* more precision than is probably necessary ;-)
> accessories. From the website it would seem thatmajor retail
> <http://www.backpackinglight.com>Backpacking Light (BPL) is the
### We'll let this link stay simply because it appears they're in
effect the "sales arm" of Bozeman.
> information from the BPL website instead. By way of addedinformation, BPL
> list these pegs at US$19.99 for 6: not very cheap, but possible.### "lists"
> above. Very similar titanium wire pegs are available from othersources such
> as <mailto:simmet@c...>Simon Metals Company but these Bozeman ones are### Lose the email link (mailto:simmet@c...) above. If people want to
get in touch with Simon Metals they can Google them. Once you start
putting links to alternative products/mfg it won't end -- everyone
will want theirs listed too.
> buying it (I tried), it would be within the bounds of reason tospeculate
> that Simon Metals supply the basic pegs and that Bozeman apply theorange
### "supplies" and "applies" (both subjects are singular despite the
"s" in Metals)
> hardware store. This is illustrated to the right: it looks rathersimilar I
> think.### Actually not from the picture in the test folder. Doesn't look
like much yellow stuck.
>### Is the paint reflective at all or just bright orange? Do they show
> Is the paint of any value?
up better in a flashlight beam than in normal daylight? Do they show
up well enough in a flashlight/headlamp beam so dropping them at night
is not a problem?
> Backpacking Backgroundyears old
> I started bushwalking (the Australian term) when I was about 14
><snip>### You have to tighten this up a bit Roger. I know there's lots to
> BackpackingLight.com in America.
your background but we're trying to keep these to about 100 quality
words of wisdom about your background & style.