Re: [BackpackGearTest] Ownwer's Report WM Apache
- Looks good Dave. I've added the folder.
>From: "Dave Hicks" <daveh@...>_________________________________________________________________
>To: "[List] BackpackGearTest" <backpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Ownwer's Report WM Apache
>Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 18:07:26 -0500
>The following is a Owner's report.
>If acceptable, please add a folder.
>The Apache by Western Mountaineering - Reviewed by Dave Hicks
>This week I finally got a chance to put my new Apache by Western
>Mountaineering to a bit of a test. Up to now, I have only had wet 40� to
>60� nights to use it - rather like a blanket.
>My personal info is as follows:
>Age = 61
>Gender = Male
>Size = 6 ft. 190 lbs
>I live in SW Virginia
>I have 50 or so years experience - Camping (all seasons), Backpacking
>(heavyweight to light, as in 20 lb base three seasons; but not
>Canoeing, etc. I have little experience with stock trips and bike trips.
>have no experience with skis - albeit some with snowshoe hiking and
>The gear info is as follows:
>Western Mountaineering web site
>[http://www.westernmountaineering.com/ba_Apache.htm%5d list the following
>for the Apache:
>5 1/4" Spacing/Continuous Baffles
>59"/38" Shoulder/Foot Girth
>Extended Top Baffle
>5 1/2" Loft, 20 degree F
>16 oz. Down Fill
>2 lbs. Total Weight
>The Apache is our 2-season lean machine. No extra weight, just solid
>construction with our best materials. This efficient cut mummy weighs in
>just 2 lbs. and is rated to 20� F. It is fitted with our Extended Top
>to give you that extra security if a chill tries to sneak in. This bag is
>made with continuous baffles so that the 750 Plus down can be shifted to
>suit the evening temperatures. Its 5 1/4" baffle spacing resists
>unintentional down shifting throughout the night. The Apache is the bag to
>select for the lightweight backpacker or for spring and summer camping. <<
>Their Specifications Chart
>[http://www.westernmountaineering.com/specchart.htm%5d list the following:
>Model Shape Size Rating Loft Inside GirthShoulder/Hip/Foot
>FillWeight Total Weight Stuff Size
>Apache Mummy 5' 6" 20� F 5 1/2 in 59"/51"/38"
>14 oz 1 lb 14 oz 7 x 13
> 6' 59"/51"/38"
>16 oz 2 lb
> 6' 6" 60"/52"/38"
>18 oz 2 lb 2 oz
>http://www.westernmountaineering.com/tips.htm states that>
>All shell fabrics used by Western Mountaineering are treated with a surface
>Durable Water Repellent finish (DWR) with an 80/20 rating. This is more
>sufficient to shrug off dew and condensation. And, DWR's can be easily
>reapplied as time wears them thin.
>My 6' 6" bag appears to meet or exceed all the WEB site representations.
>anything, the loft exceeded the 5 1/2 inches.
>My size long fits easy to get into the supplied 7x13 stuff sack, with space
>to spare. I may replace the sack with one a third smaller sil-nylon - so
>to free up more space in my pack.
>For me the Apache is snug at the shoulders, yet ample at the hip & foot.
>six-foot even I don't need the extra length of my long. I do need the
>inch in the shoulder, so I'll live with the extra in length. However,
>remember that as WM points out in their WEB site >> A bag with a large
>internal volume will take longer to heat up and will be subject to more
>convective heat loss when air moves in and out of the bag as you move
>inside. This is called the bellows effect. Narrow bags or bags with a
>small internal volume are warmer. <<
>Bottom line on WM size is trying it out first - IMHO.
>Earlier use this summer had subjected my Apache to a fair amount of
>condensation and damp conditions. It appeared to shed water well and did
>not seem to lose loft. One week with Konnarock was a virtual wash out.
>Between my Nomad tent and Apache bag, I was high, dry, and comfortable.
>This week's test conditions were as follows:
>Area: SW VA
>Three nights sleeping out, or in an open shelter, at 3040 to 4128 feet -
>e.g., no additional warmth factor from a tent.
>Minimum temperatures recorded at near by weather station (which was 10 - 20
>miles away and at 2000 feet): 37�F, 39�F, & 39�F. Assuming a temperature
>drop-off for terrain, I am guessing that the accurate minimum temperatures
>were in the mid 30's.
>Clear skies the first two nights, broken cloud cover the third.
>Wind at weather station 10 - 20 miles away and at 2000 feet:
>Wind Speed 7.17 mph
>Max Wind Speed 13.81 mph
>Gust Speed 23.02 mph
>Wind Speed 7.60 mph
>Max Wind Speed 14.96 mph
>Gust Speed 26.47 mph
>Wind Speed 4.87 mph
>Max Wind Speed 9.21 mph
>Gust Speed 17.26 mph
>It is my assumption that these sustained wind speeds would have resulted in
>upper 20's to lower 30's wind chill.
>Field Outing Results:
>Sleeping comfort seems to be the product of what temps you're conditioned
>(both long term and short term). So, it is not just are you a hot or cold
>sleeper. A 20� night in the early Fall after hiking up a sweat in a tee
>during the day will feel cooler than a 20� night in mid winter. [Think
>about the heating and cooling comfort setting on an
>air-conditioning/furnace.] That said, I was on the edge of my comfort zone
>this outing - note this was w/o any additional insulation inside, or
>the bag. I suspect that were this mid-winter, rather than an early cold
>snap I would have been toasty. In any case, I could have easily added
>layers, set up my tent, etc to have survived 20, or more, degrees lower.
>At a packed weight of about 2 pounds, it outperforms all my other bags for
>The construction is up to WM's long standing outstanding reputation.
>Although WM list the Apache as a summer bag, I am sure it will be my
>three-season bag (East coast version) from some time to come.
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