42649FIELD REPORT: Brasslite Turbo II-D stove
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Field Report - Brasslite Turbo II-D Stove
Date: December 1st, 2003
Name: Jim Sabiston
Height: 6' 3" (1.9 meters)
Weight: 207 lbs. (94 kilos)
Email address: JimSabis(at)aol(dot)com
City: Bay Shore (Long Island)
State: New York
I've been camping for several decades. I joined the Adirondack Mountain Club
four years ago, the Appalachian Mountain Club a year later and am active in
both. I have also expanded my backpacking to include more winter trips,
mountaineering and backcountry cross country skiing, and participated in the AMC's
Winter Mountaineering training program with Chauvin International Climbing
Guides. More recently, I have actively studied ways to backpack lighter and more
efficiently. During the summer months, my style tends toward very light, but not
quite ultralight. I use a hammock or tarp for warm weather, and a small
four-season tent for winter trips. Most of my other gear is very changeable, as I am
constantly experimenting with gear and techniques.
Year of Manufacture: 2003
Listed weight: 2.6 oz. (74 g)
Weight as delivered: 2.6 oz. (74 g)
Specifications for the Turbo II-D: (from the Brasslite Web site)
Width of chamber and stand: 2.4 in.(60 mm)
Width of Preheat Pan: 3.0 in. (75 mm)
Height of chamber: 1.7 in. (43 mm)
Overall Height: 2.75 in.(70 mm)
MSRP: $50.00 US
The Brasslite Turbo II-D:
The Brasslite turbo II-D is very small, approximately 2.75 in (70 mm) tall by
2.9 in (74 mm) wide at the base. It is clearly hand made, with detail
variances and minor flaws to be expected in any handmade item, but these add to the
feel and character, rather than detract from it. The brass construction also
contributes favorably to the overall look and character of the stove. With the
exception of the stainless steel pot stand attached to the top of the stove
body, construction is entirely of very thin brass sheet metal. The entire stove
is held together with silver soldered joints
The only moving part is the ‘simmer sleeve’, which covers most of the stove
body. The sleeve has six small triangular cutouts at the bottom. The sleeve
can be rotated to move the cutouts so they line up over the six air intake
ports, also located at the bottom of the stove body. Rotating the simmer sleeve
allows control of the air flow into the stove. The sleeve is also constructed of
thin sheet brass and has a small folded tab allowing the sleeve to be rotated
after the stove is lit.
The pot stand is attached permanently to the stove body by five very tiny
tabs, carefully bent and silver soldered to the stove top around the bottom wire
of the stainless steel stand. All tabs butt up against an upright wire of the
pot stand, two adjacent to the stand opening, two approximately ¼ of the
circumference around on either side of the opening, and the last directly opposite
the stand opening.
The Turbo II-D claim to fame, and what makes it different from earlier
Brasslite models, is the addition of an inner wall inside the main body of the
stove. This reportedly has the effect of improving flame control, apparently in
combination with the relocation of the air intake ports to the base of the stove,
rather than near the top of the stove body, as in earlier models.
Brasslite provided a fuel bottle with the Turbo II-D which deserves some
mention. The bottle is translucent plastic and has a secondary reservoir which
allows very precise measuring and loading of the fuel into the stove with a
simple squeeze. It is small and flat (roughly rectangular, 7.5 in X 3.75 in X 1.5
in (19 cm X 9.5 cm X 4 cm), for packing considerations) and has an 8 oz (.24 L)
capacity). It is far more accurate than my usual alcohol fuel bottles, but a
bit large for the typical weekend excursion. I will be using this bottle
almost exclusively for the test series, but will probably revert to my smaller 4 oz
(.12 L) bottles for weekend use and save this bottle for longer trips.
Laboratory (aka: kitchen) Testing:
I have always been a bit skeptical of the usefulness of testing field
equipment in the controlled environment of a laboratory and then using the results to
project real world behavior. All too often, the changing conditions
experienced in the field render the laboratory results useless, or nearly so. Thus it
was that I embarked on my first series of lab tests since high school.
With my well ingrained low opinions regarding lab testing under controlled
conditions, I very carefully constructed a test series using, well, controlled
conditions. The only variable in this test series was to be water temperature.
The object was to determine what, if any, effect the ambient water temperature
would have on boiling times. Accordingly, I was very careful about measuring
and recording the starting water and ambient temperatures. However, in my
attempt to replicate 'real world' conditions as closely as possible, I avoided
being overly precise in my measurements of water volume. Instead, I used my 12 oz
(.35 L) coffee mug and measured the water to be boiled the same way that I do
when cooking in the field. In other words: 'There, that looks about right'.
Also, I did not time the boil to the moment that the water started boiling. In
the field my cook pot is covered, for maximum efficiency, so I cannot actually
see when the water starts to boil. Instead, I watch for the moment when water
vapor starts to issue from the vent in the pot cover. This is why my boil
times may seem a bit long if compared to other tests. Unfortunately, it also thru
in another variable.
At first, the test results confused me, as the colder water temperatures did
not necessarily result in a longer boil time, which is the obvious result I
expected. After pondering the results and reviewing my test methods I realized
what had happened. By introducing field practices into the controlled lab
environment, I had accidentally confirmed my original skepticism of lab testing.
Real world variables will trash lab projections every time.
All that considered, here is what I did learn: much to my surprise, the
ambient water temperature seemed to have a minimal affect on boil times. Only when
the water temperature approached freezing did the boil times become
appreciably longer, at eight minutes. All other boil times fell in the six to seven
minute range. The effect was generally small enough that minor variations in the
volume of water being boiled easily masked the effect of changes in water
temperature. The real lesson is that ALL ambient conditions must be taken into
consideration when guesstimating how much fuel is needed. Fortunately, this has
proven to be relatively simple in practice.
For the record, here is a summary of the test conditions:
Location: My kitchen, on top of our glass top electric stove. After each
burn, the stove was allowed to cool and moved to a cool portion of the stove top.
Stove setup: I used the full field setup, including the bottom reflector and
3 in (7.6 cm) windscreen. These were made using the directions provided by
Brasslite with the Turbo II-D stove. The simmer ring was set to full open.
Environment: Air temperature was a steady 67 degrees F (19 C). The denatured
alcohol fuel was room temperature.
The only other observation of interest is that the MSR Titan Kettle
definitely has the minimum pot diameter I would consider for this stove, consistent
with Brasslite’s recommendations. The flames would occasionally travel up the
sides of the pot, but never became uncontrolled.
The Affects of Cook Pot Choice:
As part of the controlled test series, I also tried three different pot
types to see if the pot diameter would have any noticeable effect on the
efficiency of the Brasslite Turbo II-D. Unlike the water temperature tests, the pot
shape test had some clear and fairly dramatic results. I used three different
pots: The MSR Titan Kettle, the larger pot from a Snowpeak Titanium 3 Piece
cook-set (with pot cover), and a Primus Alpine Kettle.
For the test, the air temperature was 70 F (21 C) and the water temperature
was 65 F (18 C). The results were as follows:
Time to boil 16 oz (.47 L) of water:
MSR Titan Kettle - 6 minutes and 40 seconds
The MSR Titan Kettle has a 4.5 in (11.4 cm) diameter flat bottom.
Snowpeak Titanium cook-set - 6 minutes and 10 seconds
The Snowpeak Titanium Cook set has a 5.25 in (13.3 cm) diameter rounded
Primus Alpine Kettle - 5 minutes 25 seconds
The Primus Alpine Kettle (aluminum) has a 6 in (15.2 cm) diameter flat
The clear conclusion is that the wider pots allowed a more efficient transfer
of heat from the burning alcohol to the water in the pot. In the case of the
Primus Alpine Kettle, which is made of hard anodized aluminum instead of
titanium, the pot material may have also played a part, as aluminum transfers heat
faster than titanium.
I will continue to use the MSR Titan Kettle as my primary cooking pot, as
there are other considerations, such as packing efficiency, which cause me to
prefer it. But the efficiency trade off is something to be aware of.
10/18/03: Hunter Mountain overnight
Late afternoon temperature 40 to 45 F. (4 to 7 C) (approximate)
Water temperature : cold spring water.
Very light breeze, cooking on open rock on treed slope.
Dinner was freeze dried chili-mac served over instant rice with fresh sharp
cheddar chunks mixed in. Warm weather prime was not enough to get the stove
going. Cold weather prime worked nicely. Approximately 1 oz. (30 ml) of fuel
boiled 16 oz. (.47 L) of water for freeze dried chili-mac in about 8 minutes with
some fuel left over. The stove cooled quickly enough to be immediately
refilled and re-ignited. It was still necessary to use the cold weather prime for the
As the goal was to boil and then simmer 1 cup (.24 L) of instant rice in
16-oz. (.47 L) of water, I loaded a bit more fuel. Once the rice and water mix
came to a boil, I turned the simmer ring so the air vents were almost completely
closed. The ring slid smoothly and easily. I discovered that it is good
planning to orient the simmer ring so that it lines up with the opening in the
windscreen. This allowed me to make quick adjustments by slipping my spork into the
opening and using the spork's tines to securely grip the simmer ring tab and
adjust its position with a minimum of fuss. This proved to be very easy, once
I set it up correctly. All I had to do was slip the spork into the windscreen
opening sideways, then rotate the spork so the ‘spoon’ was horizontal. This
had the effect of spreading the windscreen opening so I could see the vent hole
openings as well as the simmer ring tab. Then I just positioned the tines of
the spork over the simmer ring tab and, while applying a very light pressure
on the Titan Kettle, easily adjusted the simmer ring to the position I wanted.
I would then pull the spork out and the windscreen would snap back into its
original position. The flame size did not change immediately, but after a moment
or two it gradually diminished to a very small flame. This burned for
approximately another 10 minutes, which was just right to fully cook the rice.
<Photo of Brasslite stove in action>
10/19/03: Hunter Mountain overnight
Early morning temperature 30 to 32 F. (-1 to 0 C) (approximate)
Water temperature : cold spring water, standing in tent overnight
calm , cooking on flat open rock outside tent entrance (not in the tent!)
Much to our surprise, we rose to a heavy snow flurry. I dressed and recovered
the bear bag and set about brewing a couple of cups of coffee. I placed the
Brasslite Turbo II-D on a small flat rock which I found near the tent and had
moved to the tent entrance. This kept the stove off the thick, wet leaf litter
which covered the slope, but allowed me to cook while still sitting in the
shelter of the tent, but out of the increasingly heavy snow. I boiled 12 oz (.35
L) of water for my wife’s coffee. I did two separate boils, as I had only the
one re-usable coffee filter. Again, the cold weather prime was needed. For
the first boil, I had to use the cold weather prime twice. For the second boil,
I primed with a bit more fuel, and the stove stayed lit on the first try,
still using the cold weather prime.
I learned that the stove must be kept level when using the cold weather
prime, otherwise the shallow priming dish holds less fuel. In addition, any
spillage tends to run off onto the cooking area and can (and will!) ignite when you
light the stove. Fortunately, when I did this the spillage burned off quickly
Other outings were much simpler, as my wife stayed home and I only had to
cook for one! I reverted back to my ‘boiled water’ menu and scheduled excursions
in an attempt to subject the Brasslite Turbo II-D to a variety of conditions
to see how it would perform with the primary variables being temperature and
wind. On another overnight, in wet, windless, very humid but mild conditions,
the temperature was around 50 F (10 C), the stove ignited easily on the first
try without any need for the cold weather prime. I learned that the small size
of the stove has limits when it comes to inherent stability. It is absolutely
necessary for the stove to be placed in a flat level spot or there is a
substantial risk of the stove and pot falling over. A flat rock or similar surface
is preferable over a grassy or leaf littered spot. This is the small price one
pays for using a very small and lightweight stove. In the Catskills and other
upstate New York parks and wilderness areas it is usually a simple matter to
find a flat rock to cook on. Grass surfaces or leaf duff surfaces can be very
uneven, resulting in an unstable cooking setup.
If the Brasslite Turbo II-D has a potential Achilles’ Heel, it is performance
when exposed to wind. I suppose this may be an issue with laminar flame
stoves in general, as the flame is non-pressurized and cannot fend off the effects
of wind without some protection. To this end, Brasslite updated their
windscreen design in the middle of the test series to effectively double the
windscreens height to 6 in (15.2 cm). This is an opportune moment to point out one of
the main advantages of dealing with a small manufacturer over one of the larger
’brand name’ companies. When Brasslite learned that a taller windscreen
aided in the stoves performance, it was a relatively simple matter for them to
modify the website information and email us the information on the update. This
same change at a larger company would almost certainly take months and they are
generally unable to email customers this type of information. Brasslite
maintains a customer mailing list which enables them to do provide this service,
which I think is a nice touch.
The windscreen re-design caused me a brief dilemma, however. One of my
ongoing equipment design goals, in the interest of saving weight and maintaining
efficient use of pack space, has been to have my entire stove kit, excepting
fuel, fit into my MSR Titan Kettle. This includes the stove, windscreen and
matches. The original Brasslite windscreen design was folded heavy duty aluminum
foil, with a finished height of about 3 in (7.6 cm). when loosely rolled up, this
fit perfectly into the Titan Kettle. But, how was I supposed to fit a 6 in
(15.2 cm) tall windscreen into a 3.5 in (9 cm) tall pot? This plagued me for
about a week, until a solution finally came to me. I had already constructed my
windscreen to Brasslite’s recommended finished dimensions, but I used aluminum
flashing material (used in roofing work) as it is stronger and, to my mind, a
more permanent construct than a folded foil screen for very nearly the same
weight. I simply made another 3 in (7.6 cm) screen, exactly the same dimensions
as the first. But, instead of the vent holes punched along the lower edge, I
instead cut a series of vertical slots about 1 in (2.5 cm) apart and 3/8 in (1
cm) deep on what would be the bottom of this ’extension’. Then, by bending
each alternate panel either in or out, I was able to fit the extension to the
top of the existing windscreen. This resulted in an easily assembled windscreen
which both satisfied Brasslite’s design recommendations and my packing
<Photo of Brasslite stove with new windscreen>
Aside from the Hunter Mountain trip, where a small two person tent was used
(a happy concession to my wife!) all other outdoor uses of the Brasslite Turbo
II-D have either been under a tarp or fully exposed, with no shelter at all.
The taller windscreen has made a very real improvement to the effectiveness of
the Brasslite Turbo II-D in these more exposed conditions, as the stove can
now work in wind conditions that would have rendered the stove useless with the
shorter windscreen. The stove was used on one weekend where the winds were a
steady 25 mph (40 km), gusting to 39 mph (63 km). My tarp was erected in a
fairly open area with some trees, and was really straining under the wind load,
with anchor stakes nearly pulling right out of the ground on one gust. Even
still, the wind shadow of the tarp provided enough shelter, combined with the
taller windscreen, to allow the stove to operate without any fuss, still using
just the warm weather prime (the temperature was 44 F (7 C)).
In my Initial Report, I commented that a minor disappointment was that the
simmer ring tab prevented the stove from fitting inside my titanium coffee mugs.
Happily, it turns out this is not correct! My initial tries at doing this
where rather delicately done, as I did not want to damage this pretty new stove.
Also, I held the stove perfectly level in relation to the mug. As I have
continued to use the Brasslite Turbo II-D and gained more confidence in the
strength of the materials and construction, I decided to revisit the concept. It
would just be too perfect a storage place for the stove and I wanted it to work!
This time, I tilted the stove very slightly, keeping the tab side a bit higher,
and with a gentle push, the stove slid right in! It works with both my
Snowpeak 450 Double Wall Titanium Mug (see photo) and my MSR single wall titanium
mug (a slightly tighter fit). Happy days!
<Photo of stove in mug>
Things I like:
1 - The quiet burn! My canister stoves, and especially my Svea 123R white gas
stove, sound like a rocket launch by comparison! This is very pleasant.
2 - Simplicity/reliability. With the exception of the simmer ring, there are
no moving parts to maintain or fail. As long as the stove is intact and I have
fuel, I can cook! This is an enormous advantage when a long way from home.
3 - Soot deposits. Or more precisely, the lack of any. Every other alcohol
stove I have used has left soot deposits on my stoves. The Turbo II-D has not
left so much as a smudge. A real plus when it comes to keeping my gear, and
4 - Fuel availability. A trip to the nearest hardware store is easier, in my
case, than a run to the nearest outfitter. Of course, I lose an excuse to
browse through the new gear!
Things I Don’t Like:
1 - The ‘invisible’ flame. This is more a characteristic of alcohol and not
an issue with the stove, per se. But, when cooking in daylight, it is
difficult to tell if the stove is lit.
2 - I would like more stability, but this is inherently an issue in such a
small, light, self contained stove and easily rectified with a bit of
preparation and care. Of course, this would be cured with a larger, heavier stove! (Some
of us are just never satisfied!)
It has been very easy to integrate the Brasslite Turbo II-D into my equipment
kit and backpacking style and my experience has been almost completely
positive. The stove has performed better than I expected in cold weather and wind,
especially with the taller windscreen. The brass finish is oxidizing, so it is
not as pleasantly shiny as when it arrived, but this is to be expected. I did
notice that the oxidation process accelerated considerably when the stove was
stored in my pot and the inside of the pot was not dried completely
beforehand. The oxidation is normal and is strictly cosmetic and has no affect on the
stove operation at all.
The ‘lab results’ notwithstanding, estimating the fuel needs for varying
conditions has become fairly easy to do once I developed some experience with the
stove. When in doubt, just add a bit more. Should I estimate low and run out
before dinner is cooked, it is a simple matter to squirt a bit more fuel in
the stove and re-ignite it. Unlike my pressurized alcohol stoves, the Brasslite
Turbo II-D flame is easily blown out at any time. I just lift off the pot and
give the flame a quick puff. Unfortunately, the design of the stove body makes
it nearly impossible to recover any leftover fuel (an eye dropper would
likely work, but this is too much bother for me). In warmer weather the excess
evaporates pretty quickly, in cooler weather, some left over fuel occasionally
remained the next morning and was used to cook breakfast. With practice, this
happens less and less often and when there is leftover fuel, it tends to be a
minor amount. To date, I have never used more than two ounces (60 ml) of alcohol
to cook a meal for two, and 1 oz (30 ml) is generally enough for a solo meal
and a cup of tea. The stove easily handles large meals for two or small solo
meals as well. This flexibility is one of the main reasons I prefer this model
over Brasslite’s solo options.
The simmer ring works like a charm, but my normal cooking style does not
require its use very often. I favor the ‘pot cozy’ method (where the food being
cooked is transferred to an insulated container straight from the stove and
allowed to cook in the container) over the simmer ring, as it saves fuel and
requires less attention on the part of the cook. I also can’t burn dinner this
Winter is just around the corner! The Brasslite Turbo II-D will be brought
along on some cold and snowy overnights in the Catskills and Adirondacks to see
how it performs as the temperatures continue to decline. The coldest
temperature experienced to date while using the stove is about 30 F (-1 C). I expect to
see temperatures well below 0 F (-32 C) in the next month or two. Fuel
consumption and priming ease in these conditions will be monitored closely.
I do not plan on using the stove to melt snow, as alcohol does not have the
energy content to make this practical. Brasslite makes it pretty clear that the
stove is not intended for this. At this point and am encouraged by the stove’
s cold weather performance and expect to be able to cook with it in much
colder temperatures than experienced to date.
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